Globe or Snowglobe

[trofimus]

Hello Trofimus:

No they DON"T fall off the edge of the earth, I think Columbus thought so in 1492.

While there are several maps out about a flat earth, I find it interesting that the UN is using one of them. Yes, it is true.

Question: Why do they take all those crazy routes to get to other points. (i.e. South of Equator)?

Here is a Youtube of about 12 minutes explaining flights to and from Australia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNVgzk3tbl0

If you think this fellow is putting you on, then visit this site and see the truth. Here is a URL that will let you keep up with any and all planes flying above the earth at any moment.

https://planefinder.net/flight/FDX9750


**If you scroll down south,,, you will get how many planes are going straight across the southern oceans at any given time.

Have Fun.

Actually, you dont need any huge organization today to tell you that Earth is not flat. With today's science we can see it ourselves.

For example Felix Baumgartner:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHtvDA0W34I

And there are so many national space agencies, even the private ones... and also the manufacturers of planes or sattellites can verify it.

You can even take a balloon flight (its quite cheap) and see it a little, I think.

 

[Bladerunner]

I have always in this thread told you that God's book (the Holy Bible) is his book through and through. He does not lie.

Here is a URL that is a youtube documentary concerning this subject by Eric Dubay. It is about one hour long but it answers a lot of questions?(I.e. PostHuman's sunset and sunrises) and if you open your mind, you yourself will be begin to ask additional questions.

Like Charles Darwin's Theory, the evolution you were taught in school. Ah, what about the age of the Earth. You were taught that too and of course Dinosaurs that lived 65 million years ago. Your were taught this in man's school

Yet by the Bible (God's WORD), we see that the earth is only aroung 6,000 years old. The dinosaurs were on Noah's Ark and GOD actually MADE Man out of dust?

WARNING: It you want to continue to believe that Man's science is greater than God's; DO NOT WATCH IT!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Wznf3k57fA

 

[trofimus]

I have always in this thread told you that God's book (the Holy Bible) is his book through and through. He does not lie.

Here is a URL that is a youtube documentary concerning this subject by Eric Dubay. It is about one hour long but it answers a lot of questions?(I.e. PostHuman's sunset and sunrises) and if you open your mind, you yourself will be begin to ask additional questions.

Like Charles Darwin's Theory, the evolution you were taught in school. Ah, what about the age of the Earth. You were taught that too and of course Dinosaurs that lived 65 million years ago. Your were taught this in man's school

Yet by the Bible (God's WORD), we see that the earth is only aroung 6,000 years old. The dinosaurs were on Noah's Ark and GOD actually MADE Man out of dust?

WARNING: It you want to continue to believe that Man's science is greater than God's; DO NOT WATCH IT!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Wznf3k57fA

There is only "science", not "man's science". Science is defined as:

"Systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe."

Iam sure you have nothing against this definition, if you dont believe that universe is illogical, withour order and impossible to describe.

So if I understand you, you are saying that "man's science" is not science at all and is lie or forgery or something like that.

If you want to get to Japan from US, do you have to take it through Europe and Asia or can you go by the other side?

Where exactly is the end of the Earth? Can you point it out on a map?

Why is it possible for you to go "all around the world", and finish were you started? Should you not be stuck in some edge or something?

Why do you think Bible teaches that the planet is 6000 years old? From genealogies? But Bible does not teach Adam was created right after the planet was created.

 

[Bladerunner]

There is only "science", not "man's science". Science is defined as:

"Systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe."

Iam sure you have nothing against this definition, if you dont believe that universe is illogical, withour order and impossible to describe.

So if I understand you, you are saying that "man's science" is not science at all and is lie or forgery or something like that.

If you want to get to Japan from US, do you have to take it through Europe and Asia or can you go by the other side?

Where exactly is the end of the Earth? Can you point it out on a map?

Why is it possible for you to go "all around the world", and finish were you started? Should you not be stuck in some edge or something?

Why do you think Bible teaches that the planet is 6000 years old? From genealogies? But Bible does not teach Adam was created right after the planet was created.

There is only "science", not "man's science". Science is defined as:

"Systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe."

Iam sure you have nothing against this definition, if you dont believe that universe is illogical, withour order and impossible to describe.

So if I understand you, you are saying that "man's science" is not science at all and is lie or forgery or something like that.

If you want to get to Japan from US, do you have to take it through Europe and Asia or can you go by the other side?

Where exactly is the end of the Earth? Can you point it out on a map?

Why is it possible for you to go "all around the world", and finish were you started? Should you not be stuck in some edge or something?

Why do you think Bible teaches that the planet is 6000 years old? From genealogies? But Bible does not teach Adam was created right after the planet was created.

Hello Trofimus:

Mankind's science is all there is. God did not make it but rather gave us a brain. Yes, I believe in some of man's science particularly the medical part of it having been a microbiologist for 25 years. However, if you look at all the data that NASA and other agencies put out there, I think you will find their data cannot be reproduced.

The best thing you can do is take an hour and watch it. I just believe that God created the world like that and so did all the cultures from around 4000 years ago. Up until the 1500's and Copernicus the earth was not a sphere spinning 1,000 miles per hour, going around the sun at 17,000 miles per hour with our solar system traveling through the Milky Way Galaxy at 250,000 miles an hour. (How come the stars remain in the same place all the time, do we take them with us? I can tell you. Our Zodiac has not changed since God put it there 6,000 years ago.

Now, I am not going to get in a spitting contest with you. The information is out there. All I can do is put it out for your consumption if you dare.

Someone once said the "condemnation before investigation is the height of ignorance"http://christianchat.com/images/icons/icon3.png

 

[posthuman]

Dubay's explanation for sunrise and sunset is the exactly the same explanation Bladerunner has been proliferating: a lie, predicting things that do not occur, and easily contradicted by the simplest of observations.
that's pretty much what this man is known for: lying.
he's just a slicker liar than you are, that's all. a more convincing deceiver.

so instead of going outside and looking at the sun gong down, and watching it rise in the morning, you think we ought to go watch some liar on youtube so we can become indoctrinated. that's your idea of "investigation."

it's not "posthumans's sunrise" -- the sun belongs to God. how about look out your window, and use the eyes God created, and look at the sun He created, in the sky He created, and use the mind He created, and put two and two together?

but you think listening to a liar on youtube is more edifying. riiiight.

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Bladerunner:
i don't want to know if you've looked up more liars on youtube.
i want to know if you watched the sun rise this morning or watched it set tonight, and what you saw.
you still unwilling to do that?
to just open the eyes God created and gave you and look at the universe He created?

you don't think God created the universe to be deceptive, do you?
then go look at it. go watch the sun rise tomorrow morning. watch the sun set tomorrow night. tell me what you see.

this?



or this?

 

[Zmouth]

POST:

Well, in all fairness the Dubay video ( https://youtu.be/8Wznf3k57fA?t=2m) the announcer even makes the disclaimer @ 2:00
Mel Fabregas: Let me begin this interview by stating that I have no attachment to the flat earth. I have no attachment to the oblate spheroid, and even to the sphere. If our home is any of these, so be it. I wouldn't be surprised of any. What I continue to be surprised and suspicious of are the people who continue attacking those who simply ask questions. I recently attended a conference that deals with the most open minded topics you could possibly imagine. However, when it comes to the flat earth topic, it was a no no. Look, I can't say I blame people for thinking this is the most absurd topic under the sun, or the firmament, rather, but you, open minded people who discuss aliens, UFOs, reptilians who rule the world, Bigfoot, and the rest of it, why do you continue telling people to stop looking into the flat earth? Those of you who study the pyramids and ancient civilizations, you venerate these ancient ones, and rightfully so, and some of these very ancient ones believed the earth was flat. Why do you then continue looking into their achievements if the notion of a flat earth is so absurd? Shouldn't that discredit them too? And those of you who continue writing to me saying the ancient ones knew they lived on a sphere, how did they know? Perhaps they had advanced technology that allowed seeing the skies above. Just because you see sphere above you doesn't prove you are standing on one. You can still play pool on a flat table and basketball on a flat court. Perhaps the psyop is questioning those who question the true shape of our plane(t).
[LOL, You can't play pool with flat billard balls, you can't play basketball with a flat basketball]

Every science has for its basis a systems of principles as fixed and unalterable as those by which the universe is regulated and governed.* In such, every legitimate scientific hypothesis can produce a falsibility, (a statement that defines what, if found true, would disprove the hypothesis.)
(For example, a hypothesis proposes that all dogs are brown. The falsiability of that hypothesis would be that If there is any dog that is any other color than brown then the hypothesis that all dogs are brown is invalid [untrue].)

Thus the flat earth hypothesis would have a falsibility yet like theory of evolution that represents that man evolved from an hominoid, THEY DON'T!

Till they do, I wouldn't give them any credence to their testimony.

*Thomas Paine, Age of Reason

 

[Bladerunner]

POST:

Well, in all fairness the Dubay video ( https://youtu.be/8Wznf3k57fA?t=2m) the announcer even makes the disclaimer @ 2:00
Mel Fabregas: Let me begin this interview by stating that I have no attachment to the flat earth. I have no attachment to the oblate spheroid, and even to the sphere. If our home is any of these, so be it. I wouldn't be surprised of any. What I continue to be surprised and suspicious of are the people who continue attacking those who simply ask questions. I recently attended a conference that deals with the most open minded topics you could possibly imagine. However, when it comes to the flat earth topic, it was a no no. Look, I can't say I blame people for thinking this is the most absurd topic under the sun, or the firmament, rather, but you, open minded people who discuss aliens, UFOs, reptilians who rule the world, Bigfoot, and the rest of it, why do you continue telling people to stop looking into the flat earth? Those of you who study the pyramids and ancient civilizations, you venerate these ancient ones, and rightfully so, and some of these very ancient ones believed the earth was flat. Why do you then continue looking into their achievements if the notion of a flat earth is so absurd? Shouldn't that discredit them too? And those of you who continue writing to me saying the ancient ones knew they lived on a sphere, how did they know? Perhaps they had advanced technology that allowed seeing the skies above. Just because you see sphere above you doesn't prove you are standing on one. You can still play pool on a flat table and basketball on a flat court. Perhaps the psyop is questioning those who question the true shape of our plane(t).
[LOL, You can't play pool with flat billard balls, you can't play basketball with a flat basketball]

Every science has for its basis a systems of principles as fixed and unalterable as those by which the universe is regulated and governed.[FONT=&]* [/FONT] In such, every legitimate scientific hypothesis can produce a falsibility, (a statement that defines what, if found true, would disprove the hypothesis.)
(For example, a hypothesis proposes that all dogs are brown. The falsiability of that hypothesis would be that If there is any dog that is any other color than brown then the hypothesis that all dogs are brown is invalid [untrue].)

Thus the flat earth hypothesis would have a falsibility yet like theory of evolution that represents that man evolved from an hominoid, THEY DON'T!

Till they do, I wouldn't give them any credence to their testimony.

*Thomas Paine, Age of Reason

I applaud the interviewer for at least being direct. While he himself does not believe or at the very least is skeptical. I also agree that most people will look at anything being said with an eye of suspicion, yet they will roll around in their minds what is said. Yet, when you get to flat earth, it is taboo. No body wants to listen.

There are many things in our science that on a regular basis is being changed to benefit the agenda and not changed by investigation, reproduction and proof. What was once thought of as constants are no longer constant.Does NASA tell you that the "Speed of Light" is slowing down. That the speed of light can be slowed down in a laboratory setting to the point of it is stopped completely. A college laboratory as done this. You see any deviation to their lies could result in the mass realization that a creator really exist and did what he said he did in the Holy Bible KJV.

From Birth, we as people (depending of the era) have at the very least seen a globe of the world we live on. We are reminded everyday of the wonders out there. Yet, we can look at the sky and can see Galaxies billions of light years away and cannot not see a dwarf dark SUN that is a twin to our sun.

Even NASA is talking about little green men, The RCC is watching for them on their Colorado observatory site and our Military General(s) are telling graduating cadet classes that they are going to battling cyborgs, robots and little green men in the future. Do you think these little green men will be those of Satan's fallen comrades and will be the best bet at manifesting "the great deception" that will bring all the people under a one world religion as the bible states in Revelation.

I only ask that you at least look at the information and then make an informed decision of whether to believe it or not. In either case, it is not going to make the world stop turning (lol).

have a good day, my friend.

 

[posthuman]

Does NASA tell you that the "Speed of Light" is slowing down. That the speed of light can be slowed down in a laboratory setting to the point of it is stopped completely.

are you talking about the Glasgow physicists who last year successfully slowed the group velocity of a light beam by changing the laser's shape, passing it through a mask to spread out the beam?
or the physicists in Cambridge who have been able to change photons completely into particle form by a passing a laser into a super-cooled Bose-Einstein condensate and zapping it with a control laser at just the right frequency, and then been able to convert this relatively motionless mass back into light energy having the same quantum properties?

neither one of these has anything to do with the speed of light "c" slowing down, neither one of these contradict the constancy of the speed of light in a vacuum (( in Glasgow no single photon travels at a less-than-predicted speed but because the focused beam is reshaped, some of the light travels at oblique angles to its original path, and the group velocity of the entire reshaped beam is lower than an un-shaped, tight beam)), and it might be that NASA actually funds both of them -- i am sure that NASA partially funds Dr. Hau's work in Cambridge. i know, because yes, i've been keeping up with that somewhat. i love this stuff. it has all kinds of interesting applications for optics and communication, and even as a fundamental necessity for certain types of as-yet theoretical dynamic computing.

or are you talking about some other experiment?

or do you understand what you're talking about at all, lol -- are you just repeating things you don't really know much about, totally misinterpreting second-hand information without actually searching out for yourself what the experiments were where these things were done, under what conditions, and what the actual implications are?

surely not. you say we should investigate things, right?

just wondering.

 

[posthuman]

I only ask that you at least look at the information and then make an informed decision of whether to believe it or not.

so did you watch the sun rise this morning?

are you going to watch the sun set tonight?

or are you going to remain uninformed, and not bother making any actual observations?

 

[Posted]

Hi All, I have a question... Correct me if I am wrong but as I understand it, this image is the generally accepted heliocentric model. (Obviously not to scale)

(Use vice-versa depending on you location on the Earth)

The reason they say seasons change is due to our position to the sun as the image shows, Notice the axis is ALWAYS pointing to Polaris.

In the SUMMER as we rotate west to east, the "sunsets" and "sunrises" make sense. We rotate DOWN (toward the sun) so the sun appears to be going UP for MORNING, and as we rotate UP (away from the sun) the sun appears to be going DOWN for EVENING.


Moving on to WINTER... Here, it is OPPOSITE, as we rotate UP (toward the sun) the sun would appear to be going DOWN (MORNING) and as we rotate DOWN (away from the sun) it would make the sun appear to go UP (EVENING).

I think I stated that correctly, my brain and words sometimes don't like to mesh.

So, any ideas on this? Am I missing something?

Well it's not really vice versa depending on your location on earth for the earth spins one complete revaluation in one cycle of a day and the earth spins around the Sun in one complete revaluation in one cycle of a year which take 365 days. And the earth revaluation around the Sun is a elongated path and our earth has a slight wobble as well.

Yes, I should have been more clear that my vice versa was referring only to the SUMMER/WINTER in the NORTHERN/SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE.

Thank you for your response.
Was the intent of your post to only elaborate on the model or to also give a reason why we don't view the sun "going up" for evening in the Winter? (If the latter was included, I apologize because I didn't catch it).

I was really hoping someone could help me explain this???

 

[tourist]

What was once thought of as constants are no longer constant. Does NASA tell you that the "Speed of Light" is slowing down. That the speed of light can be slowed down in a laboratory setting to the point of it is stopped completely.

They might need to change the batteries in their flashlight.

 

[Zmouth]

I applaud the interviewer for at least being direct. While he himself does not believe or at the very least is skeptical. I also agree that most people will look at anything being said with an eye of suspicion, yet they will roll around in their minds what is said. Yet, when you get to flat earth, it is taboo. No body wants to listen.

While I can't speak for anyone but myself, it's not that I don't won't to listen, if you can give me a falsiability for the flat earth belief then I would be interested in seeing your pictures of the edge of the flat earth. Now if you want to discuss the NWO and the flat earth image of the UN, then let's start by talking about Jasher's wreath which is the insignia of the flat earth image.

There are many things in our science that on a regular basis is being changed to benefit the agenda and not changed by investigation, reproduction and proof. What was once thought of as constants are no longer constant.Does NASA tell you that the "Speed of Light" is slowing down. That the speed of light can be slowed down in a laboratory setting to the point of it is stopped completely. A college laboratory as done this. You see any deviation to their lies could result in the mass realization that a creator really exist and did what he said he did in the Holy Bible KJV.

I agree to an certain extent that the discipline of science is being corrupted in order to push an particular agenda yet you can't compound false perception with misinformation expecting to enlighten anyone.

Briefly on the 'light' issue. Several years back when they announced that mass had been observed exceeding the speed of light which according to the principle of special relativity that holds no object of mass can be accelerated to the speed of light. What was your opinion, did you think it was possible or did you think it had to be some sort of error?

While I understand scientist don't talk Bible but John 16:16 in consideration of John 16:10 obviously indicated that they did not observe the neutrino exceed the speed of light for the reasons stated therein. However, I guess scientist don't listen to the music either since the first verse of Adam's Song.@ 00:23 would have told them the error. "A bad connection between a GPS unit and a computer may be to blame." Source: Science Magazine
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2012/02/breaking-news-error-undoes-faster-light-neutrino-results

But nobody seems to really care for music anymore.


From Birth, we as people (depending of the era) have at the very least seen a globe of the world we live on. We are reminded everyday of the wonders out there. Yet, we can look at the sky and can see Galaxies billions of light years away and cannot not see a dwarf dark SUN that is a twin to our sun.

Even NASA is talking about little green men, The RCC is watching for them on their Colorado observatory site and our Military General(s) are telling graduating cadet classes that they are going to battling cyborgs, robots and little green men in the future. Do you think these little green men will be those of Satan's fallen comrades and will be the best bet at manifesting "the great deception" that will bring all the people under a one world religion as the bible states in Revelation.

I only ask that you at least look at the information and then make an informed decision of whether to believe it or not. In either case, it is not going to make the world stop turning (lol).

have a good day, my friend.

Good one, maybe that is why the Sun and moon stay in the sky for about a day.... yeah think about that one all you spheroids. {LOL}

But as far as Aliens

Check out these photos I took a few years back.

(Link) Nothing special just the moon in the morning sky.

(Link)For some reason I took another photo, yet notice the black dot to the left of the moon, (Press Ctrl key and use your mouse wheel to zoom on it.)

I don't recall seeing any clouds or any object in the sky when I took the picture, nor when I looked them over on my computer later that morning. However a few days later when downsizing them to load on my computer I thought that speck was on my computer screen, so of course after cleaning the screen for 10 minutes I finally realized it was on the picture and zoomed in on it; correct me if I am wrong but doesn't that look like a Lightbender III or what?