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Had to look that phrase up:
"Homosexual agenda (or gay agenda) is a term introduced by sectors of the Christian right (primarily in the United States) as a disparaging way to describe the advocacy of cultural acceptance and normalization of non-heterosexual orientations and relationships." (Wikipedia)
I imagine some folks said similar regarding those who advocated for 'cultural acceptance and normalization' of the African American race in America. The phrase "nigger lovers" comes to mind. Both are equally disparaging.
"Homosexual agenda (or gay agenda) is a term introduced by sectors of the Christian right (primarily in the United States) as a disparaging way to describe the advocacy of cultural acceptance and normalization of non-heterosexual orientations and relationships." (Wikipedia)
I imagine some folks said similar regarding those who advocated for 'cultural acceptance and normalization' of the African American race in America. The phrase "nigger lovers" comes to mind. Both are equally disparaging.
What greater compassion than to present the truth of scripture?
God is a God of mercy and compassion but God also demands righteousness. God will not withhold His terrible wrath and judgement toward those who reject His word and the atonement made by Christ on Calvary.
God is not going to compromise His word but His word will endure for all of eternity unchanged because God is unchanging.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
God is a God of mercy and compassion but God also demands righteousness. God will not withhold His terrible wrath and judgement toward those who reject His word and the atonement made by Christ on Calvary.
God is not going to compromise His word but His word will endure for all of eternity unchanged because God is unchanging.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Hello BenT,
Your argument above is not valid. Christ requires repentance (Metanoia), which means a change of mind, an after thought, a turning with God. A person can say that they are a Christian all they want, but if they have not repented, they haven't even begun. For example, those who are calling themselves Christian's, but are willfully living same-sex life styles and who have no intention of repenting. This is unacceptable to God. For He requires repentance. The equivalent of that would be someone who is a thief who says that he has received Christ, but has every intention of continuing to be a thief, or liar, or murder, etc.
We cannot justify and embrace the sins that we want to continue in. As far as what you are doing by watching gay porn, remember that Jesus said that even if you look upon a woman already having her in your heart you have already committed adultery. Apply that to what you are doing. If you are watching and entertaining those thoughts, you are committing sexual immorality.
And as far as judgment is concerned, this is one of the most misinterpreted words in scripture. As believers, we are most definitely required to make right judgments within the church and what is going on in the world. Please consider the following:
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It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father’s wife. And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have gone into mourning and have put out of your fellowship the man who has been doing this? For my part, even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. As one who is present with you in this way, I have already passed judgment in the name of our Lord Jesus on the one who has been doing this. So when you are assembled and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.
Your boasting is not good. Don’t you know that a little yeast leavens the whole batch of dough? Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old bread leavened with malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sisterbut is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”
If any of you has a dispute with another, do you dare to take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the Lord’s people? Or do you not know that the Lord’s people will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!
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If you think that you can continue to do what you are doing and call yourself a Christian, you are only deceiving yourself. I hope that you will greatly consider what I am saying.
Your argument above is not valid. Christ requires repentance (Metanoia), which means a change of mind, an after thought, a turning with God. A person can say that they are a Christian all they want, but if they have not repented, they haven't even begun. For example, those who are calling themselves Christian's, but are willfully living same-sex life styles and who have no intention of repenting. This is unacceptable to God. For He requires repentance. The equivalent of that would be someone who is a thief who says that he has received Christ, but has every intention of continuing to be a thief, or liar, or murder, etc.
We cannot justify and embrace the sins that we want to continue in. As far as what you are doing by watching gay porn, remember that Jesus said that even if you look upon a woman already having her in your heart you have already committed adultery. Apply that to what you are doing. If you are watching and entertaining those thoughts, you are committing sexual immorality.
And as far as judgment is concerned, this is one of the most misinterpreted words in scripture. As believers, we are most definitely required to make right judgments within the church and what is going on in the world. Please consider the following:
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It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father’s wife. And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have gone into mourning and have put out of your fellowship the man who has been doing this? For my part, even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. As one who is present with you in this way, I have already passed judgment in the name of our Lord Jesus on the one who has been doing this. So when you are assembled and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.
Your boasting is not good. Don’t you know that a little yeast leavens the whole batch of dough? Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old bread leavened with malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sisterbut is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”
If any of you has a dispute with another, do you dare to take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the Lord’s people? Or do you not know that the Lord’s people will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!
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If you think that you can continue to do what you are doing and call yourself a Christian, you are only deceiving yourself. I hope that you will greatly consider what I am saying.
K
Nope. If someone says their sin is right or ok Im going to tell them the truth according to the Bible. If someone here said "Im a compulsive liar Id give them Scripture on lying. Its your attitude. If you are saying God is ok with you being bisexual and He accepts that Im going to use the Word and tell you its wrong. That is truth. So apparently its God thats not compassionate.
I strongly disagree.
1. For the third time, attraction does not equal desire and neither include action.
2. The phrase "gay agenda" is no more "inflammatory" than the phrase " removed inappropriate language "
My point being, that people were just as disparaging towards advocates of 'equal rights for blacks' as they now are toward people who have views of sexuality which differ from their own.
I have not directed any derogatory phrase towards anyone, nor have I been profane with my speech. If think that using the phrase "gay agenda" is acceptable, but "nigger lover" (in this specific context) is not, then we obviously disagree.
Sort of makes me wonder if have any idea what they're making kids read in high school these days.
1. For the third time, attraction does not equal desire and neither include action.
2. The phrase "gay agenda" is no more "inflammatory" than the phrase " removed inappropriate language "
My point being, that people were just as disparaging towards advocates of 'equal rights for blacks' as they now are toward people who have views of sexuality which differ from their own.
I have not directed any derogatory phrase towards anyone, nor have I been profane with my speech. If think that using the phrase "gay agenda" is acceptable, but "nigger lover" (in this specific context) is not, then we obviously disagree.
Sort of makes me wonder if have any idea what they're making kids read in high school these days.
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Why do you assume?
Actually, yeah, I looked up the word "gay" because I wasn't sure if it was still considered 'derogatory and offensive' or not.
It hurts to hear that you think I'm putting on a "morally superior" show here.
Almost feels as if your condemning critical thinking.
Do you hold yourself to the same standard as you hold others?
I've yet to see you post something which can be understood as the 'glory of Jesus Christ' here.
Actually, yeah, I looked up the word "gay" because I wasn't sure if it was still considered 'derogatory and offensive' or not.
It hurts to hear that you think I'm putting on a "morally superior" show here.
Almost feels as if your condemning critical thinking.
Do you hold yourself to the same standard as you hold others?
I've yet to see you post something which can be understood as the 'glory of Jesus Christ' here.