Feast of Trumpets This Weekend!!

[1LonelyKnight]

ok, so the froward kind jump in.
maybe someone could leave a book about Holy Days under your tree on Dec25.

In my opinion, Messiah has shown us a fulfillment of the Spring Feasts: Passover/Unleavened Bread, First Fruits, Pentecost.

I wonder what it will be like when He returns to fulfill the Fall Feasts: Trumpets, Atonement, Tabernacles.
Could be a worthwhile study if you have never done it.
I could be wrong, of course.

Has Christ not shown us atonement and tabernacles? Have we not seen hints and foreshadowing of trumpets?

What about the blood of the lamb where Jesus is the lamb of God as atonement?

What about Jesus being born during tabernacles? Is tabor a mountain and NaCl not salt - a mountain of salt?

What about the trumpet of war? Have we not seen the destruction of the temple and all of Israel laid to siege? Have we not seen wars and rumors of wars and but a few generations shy of 1000 years of "Crusades"?

Yes, the feasts as well as the secular Holidays are a good study. The scripture simply observes that many things become traditions of man when the deeper meaning and purpose are replaced with ritual zombi-ism. Religion becomes churchianity and lost it's meaning. Ditto the feasts or ritual circumcision. These acts are "the works of the law" spoken of as not in and of themselves able to save and indeed when zombi-fied become an offense.

 

[posthuman]

Jesus is yet to fulfill this one Bruce...but that day will come soon I hope.

i think to say that you have to understand what the feast of trumpets was.
which, ironically enough, is more or less totally ignored in much of this discussion of playing at 'honoring' or 'keeping' it.

let's look!

Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying,
“Speak to the children of Israel, saying: ‘In the seventh month, on the first day of the month, you shall have a sabbath-rest, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, a holy convocation. You shall do no customary work on it; and you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord.’ ”
And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying:
“Also the tenth day of this seventh month shall be the Day of Atonement. It shall be a holy convocation for you; you shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire to the Lord.
(Leviticus 23:23-27)​

it was a memorial.
that means, something that had already happened, they were to remember on this day.
and 9 days later - three threes, the third day after one full week, was the day of atonement.

the only other reference ((that i know of)) in the scripture to the feast of trumpets is Numbers 29:1 -- which just says on that appointed day, hold the feast of trumpets.

so what great event, in Israel's history, that they should remember, took place with the blowing of trumpets?

the most common interpretation is to say that it commemorates God's grace when Abraham took Isaac to the mountain, and was prepared to offer him to God, but had faith that God would "provide a lamb" -- remember, what He gave at that time was a goat, and Christ is our Lamb. it's not clear whether this historically lines up with the calendar year, but the fact that the day of atonement comes soon after this is a beautiful shadow of Christ.
... but no trumpets are mentioned in the account of Abraham.

another interpretation is that, since this is the rabbinic calendar 'new year' that this memorializes creation. it's common among Jewish Christians to see it this way, and to see in in Christ the new creation, the second Adam, looking forward to the creation also of a new heaven and a new earth.
... but no trumpets are mentioned in the account of creation.

these are nice interpretations, and they *fit* in a manner of speaking. they both point also to Christ and His finished work -- in both instances, He has fulfilled these things: He has become our atonement, He is our Lamb, given for our sins. He is the Lamb God provided for us. He has become the second Adam, and we who believe and are found in Him are already become new creations - the earth waits only for the maturity and complete redemption of out bodies, but He has already begun this thing. at the cross and the empty tomb and with the giving of the Spirit all these things were fulfilled.

but they don't have anything to do with trumpets. still.
this feast is a memorial -- it was a shadow of what is found in Christ, but in the days before that Great Morning Star shone, it was looking backwards at something in Jewish history. something to do with trumpets.

what??

you might think, taking the city of Jericho! but that didn't come till much later, lol.
but look at this:

On the morning of the third day there were thunders and lightnings and a thick cloud on the mountain and a very loud trumpet blast, so that all the people in the camp trembled. Then Moses brought the people out of the camp to meet God, and they took their stand at the foot of the mountain. Now Mount Sinai was wrapped in smoke because the Lord had descended on it in fire. The smoke of it went up like the smoke of a kiln, and the whole mountain trembled greatly. And as the sound of the trumpet grew louder and louder, Moses spoke, and God answered him in thunder. The Lord came down on Mount Sinai, to the top of the mountain. And the Lord called Moses to the top of the mountain, and Moses went up.
(Exodus 19:16-20)
​

the giving of the covenant of the Law
was ushered in with the sound of trumpets.

the calendar dates don't match up -- this was closer to the time of pentecost, or the feast of weeks.
but what other event in Israel's history was so great that it should be remembered collectively every year, specifically with trumpets, so much having to do with trumpet blasts that it was named after trumpets?
the other interpretations are nice, and have some attractive analogies -- but do not have this quality.

and has Christ not fulfilled this?
has He not ushered in a new covenant?
was His blood not spilled? was His body not broken for us?
did He not rise again on the third day???

IMHO if you are celebrating this day of Israel's old covenant, which commemorates an event in their history that came with trumpet blasts, and you believe it has not found its fulfillment in the finished work of Christ, you are drinking damage to yourself, mocking the Lord. you are denying the Son, and celebrating the giving of a covenant that has passed away and been replaced with the perfect glory of the Messiah, Immanuel, God with us.

but for some people here, yeah -- that description fits very well.
ignoring the work of the Son that brings life and the gift of the spirit, celebrating the ordinances that reveal sin, and the ministration of death.

 

[posthuman]

ok, so the froward kind jump in.
maybe someone could leave a book about Holy Days under your tree on Dec25.

In my opinion, Messiah has shown us a fulfillment of the Spring Feasts: Passover/Unleavened Bread, First Fruits, Pentecost.

I wonder what it will be like when He returns to fulfill the Fall Feasts: Trumpets, Atonement, Tabernacles.
Could be a worthwhile study if you have never done it.
I could be wrong, of course.

"the froward kind"

this is what mike thinks of anyone who doesn't play at pretending they are Jewish and under the old covenant.
then, out of the other side of his mouth, he calls them "sisters and brothers" politely.
and out a third side of his mouth, if that is even possible! he swears he doesn't judge anyone.
but calling believers "the froward kind" doesn't count as judgement. not in his judgement. lol!

heh.

i've explained to him in the past that Christ's finished work fulfills every single jot and tittle of all the feasts and all the law. and even how each of the major feasts are shadows of the substance found in His completed work.

if he wasn't so pompous towards me ((he considers everything i say "babble" and doesn't even read it)) he might see.
but God has determined that he should remain blind on these matters.
for Jah's own purpose, to suddenly destroy the one who shuts his ears to reproof many times.

 

[Blain]

I never really understood what the feast of trumpets was really for or how one keeps it to begin with, I know that the feast of trumpets to many is day when they expect the trumpets to sound and Christ rides in to take his bride but what was it originally meant for?

 

[disciplemike]

i have no idea how to observe this feast in new testament times...

You are not alone.
In my opinion, the main things are:


1. blowing the shofar or silver trumpets. (or whatever trumpet-like instrument you have).
This is, in part at least, where the term "joyful noise" arises from.

2. recognize the holy day. it is a holy convocation (rehearsal) (VERY prophetic in nature, even though it is a memorial)

 

[posthuman]

I wonder what it will be like when He returns to fulfill the Fall Feasts: Trumpets, Atonement, Tabernacles.

that you "wonder what it will be like" for Christ to make atonement speaks volumes, mike.

Messiah has come and with one perfect sacrifice, has sanctified forever all who put their trust in Him.

this is His commandment: believe, and believing, love one another, as He has loved us.

believe, mike.

 

[disciplemike]

It is also considered to begin the "Ten Days of Awe" which leads up to the Day of Atonement. (the next prophetic rehearsal).

 

[posthuman]

I never really understood what the feast of trumpets was really for or how one keeps it to begin with, I know that the feast of trumpets to many is day when they expect the trumpets to sound and Christ rides in to take his bride but what was it originally meant for?

read my post a couple above yours, bro

 

[Ultimatum77]

Lol I prefer feasting on crumpets rather than trumpets

 

[1LonelyKnight]

Numbers 10:9 And if ye go to war in your land against the enemy that oppresseth you, then ye shall blow an alarm with the trumpets; and ye shall be remembered before the Lord your God, and ye shall be saved from your enemies.

The trumpets were also blown to sound an alarm to warn of impending war with an enemy. Today our main enemy is Satan, and he wars against us. Christ blows the trumpets today and wants us to listen, to be aware of what is going on in the world and what Satan is trying to do to disrupt us.

In Revelation 1:10–11, the Apostle John wrote, "I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, saying, ‘I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last.’" Here he identifies the voice of Christ as a trumpet.

The preaching of the Gospel is good news for mankind, and it also contains a warning, that if the peoples of the Earth do not repent, they will be punished in the great tribulation, which occurs just before Christ returns. Revelation 8 and 9 tell us of a time in the future when there will be seven trumpets blown, and some of those trumpets are associated with plagues and troubles on the world, but soon after the Great Tribulation comes to an end the seventh trumpet will sound and Christ will descend from heaven to the earth.

Turn to 1 Thessalonians 4:16–17, "For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord."

The first six trumpets of Revelation announce various troubles to come on mankind, including religious deception, war, famine and disease; because of their sins and rebellion. When the trumpets are blown there will be warfare and destruction on the earth like never before. We should be listening to God now. The world won’t listen to God at this time, so they will suffer when the angels blow the trumpets in the end time.

See also Psalm 98

 

[disciplemike]

It is kinda interesting that the KJV translators used the word "trump" in two places.
1Cor15:52, 1Thes4.16

It is the same Greek word used 11 times in the NT, but only translated as "trump" twice. Nine other times, it is translated as "trumpet".

at least one guy, Trey Smith, has a teaching that implies that Donald "Trump" will be the modern day version of King Cyrus.
not saying I agree with everything he says, but he makes in interesting.

 

[posthuman]

to see the scriptural example of how the feast of trumpets was celebrated, read Nehemiah chapter 8.

this concerns what Ezra did on the feast of trumpets.

 

[posthuman]

Psalm 81 is historically associated with this feast, largely because of this verse in particular:

Blow the trumpet at the new moon,
at the full moon, on our feast day.
(Psalm 81:2) ​

 

[pottersclay]

i think to say that you have to understand what the feast of trumpets was.
which, ironically enough, is more or less totally ignored in much of this discussion of playing at 'honoring' or 'keeping' it.

let's look!

Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying,
“Speak to the children of Israel, saying: ‘In the seventh month, on the first day of the month, you shall have a sabbath-rest, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, a holy convocation. You shall do no customary work on it; and you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord.’ ”
And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying:
“Also the tenth day of this seventh month shall be the Day of Atonement. It shall be a holy convocation for you; you shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire to the Lord.
(Leviticus 23:23-27)​

it was a memorial.
that means, something that had already happened, they were to remember on this day.
and 9 days later - three threes, the third day after one full week, was the day of atonement.

the only other reference ((that i know of)) in the scripture to the feast of trumpets is Numbers 29:1 -- which just says on that appointed day, hold the feast of trumpets.

so what great event, in Israel's history, that they should remember, took place with the blowing of trumpets?

the most common interpretation is to say that it commemorates God's grace when Abraham took Isaac to the mountain, and was prepared to offer him to God, but had faith that God would "provide a lamb" -- remember, what He gave at that time was a goat, and Christ is our Lamb. it's not clear whether this historically lines up with the calendar year, but the fact that the day of atonement comes soon after this is a beautiful shadow of Christ.
... but no trumpets are mentioned in the account of Abraham.

another interpretation is that, since this is the rabbinic calendar 'new year' that this memorializes creation. it's common among Jewish Christians to see it this way, and to see in in Christ the new creation, the second Adam, looking forward to the creation also of a new heaven and a new earth.
... but no trumpets are mentioned in the account of creation.

these are nice interpretations, and they *fit* in a manner of speaking. they both point also to Christ and His finished work -- in both instances, He has fulfilled these things: He has become our atonement, He is our Lamb, given for our sins. He is the Lamb God provided for us. He has become the second Adam, and we who believe and are found in Him are already become new creations - the earth waits only for the maturity and complete redemption of out bodies, but He has already begun this thing. at the cross and the empty tomb and with the giving of the Spirit all these things were fulfilled.

but they don't have anything to do with trumpets. still.
this feast is a memorial -- it was a shadow of what is found in Christ, but in the days before that Great Morning Star shone, it was looking backwards at something in Jewish history. something to do with trumpets.

what??

you might think, taking the city of Jericho! but that didn't come till much later, lol.
but look at this:

On the morning of the third day there were thunders and lightnings and a thick cloud on the mountain and a very loud trumpet blast, so that all the people in the camp trembled. Then Moses brought the people out of the camp to meet God, and they took their stand at the foot of the mountain. Now Mount Sinai was wrapped in smoke because the Lord had descended on it in fire. The smoke of it went up like the smoke of a kiln, and the whole mountain trembled greatly. And as the sound of the trumpet grew louder and louder, Moses spoke, and God answered him in thunder. The Lord came down on Mount Sinai, to the top of the mountain. And the Lord called Moses to the top of the mountain, and Moses went up.
(Exodus 19:16-20)
​

the giving of the covenant of the Law
was ushered in with the sound of trumpets.

the calendar dates don't match up -- this was closer to the time of pentecost, or the feast of weeks.
but what other event in Israel's history was so great that it should be remembered collectively every year, specifically with trumpets, so much having to do with trumpet blasts that it was named after trumpets?
the other interpretations are nice, and have some attractive analogies -- but do not have this quality.

and has Christ not fulfilled this?
has He not ushered in a new covenant?
was His blood not spilled? was His body not broken for us?
did He not rise again on the third day???

IMHO if you are celebrating this day of Israel's old covenant, which commemorates an event in their history that came with trumpet blasts, and you believe it has not found its fulfillment in the finished work of Christ, you are drinking damage to yourself, mocking the Lord. you are denying the Son, and celebrating the giving of a covenant that has passed away and been replaced with the perfect glory of the Messiah, Immanuel, God with us.

but for some people here, yeah -- that description fits very well.
ignoring the work of the Son that brings life and the gift of the spirit, celebrating the ordinances that reveal sin, and the ministration of death.

[h=3]The Throne Room of Heaven[/h][FONT=&quot]4 After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, “Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this.”


I will leave this as such...not to derail the o.p.[/FONT]

 

[Markum1972]

In either case of this feast being fulfilled or not fulfilled, what reason would we have to not want to celebrate it?

I am sincerely curious as I have not learned about the feasts but am interested in learning.

 

[pottersclay]

The feast represent a timeline of events that have taken place or are about to. It is a great study. It fascinates me how detailed God's word is. A good beginning is to go to bread of life ministries and look for the video they have explaining the feasts. Now these are for the Jewish people but Christian roots are from the old testament and are found in Judaism. Imo it was a shame that the separation of Jew and Christians took place as we are left without a lot of understanding. When it comes to the law I do not follow the law and don't condone ones that insist on the necessity of it. However I would condone knowing the old testament as well as the new to get a well rounded grasp of all of God's word. It would give you a better understanding of what happened at the cross, who we are in Christ, and the will and desire of God.

 

[disciplemike]

The feasts don't come from Judaism.

The Heavenly Father calls them "My Feasts".
Lev23

"Speak to the people of Israel and say to them,
These are the appointed feasts of YHVH that you shall proclaim as holy convocations;
they are my appointed feasts.
Leviticus 23:2 (ESV2011, MBM)

 

[Grace777x70]

The feasts don't come from Judaism.

The Heavenly Father calls them "My Feasts".
Lev23

"Speak to the people of Israel and say to them,
These are the appointed feasts of YHVH that you shall proclaim as holy convocations;
they are my appointed feasts.
Leviticus 23:2 (ESV2011, MBM)

The Father also says this:

Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.

This above is a statement that is truly stated at the time but it is not the ultimate truth. Jesus has taken that sin away. If we don't read the scriptures in the Old Covenant through the filter of the New Covenant which is Christ Himself and His perfect work for us - then we will come up with all kinds of religious activities which "appear" to be good but in reality they are denying Christ.

To say that Gentiles must observe the feasts like in the law of Moses or we are sinning is an anti-Christ belief system.

The Father's feasts are Christ Himself - not a shadow.

 

[disciplemike]

Who said anything about sin?

Feast of Moses?

or

Feast of YHVH, the Almighty God?

Let the reader be the judge.

 

[posthuman]

The feasts don't come from Judaism.

you don't see the irony of saying "this isn't from Judaism" and then quoting the Judaic law that gave the institution of the feast?

"it's not from Judaism, it's from God" you say.
what, Judaism isn't ((wasn't)) from God?