Building upon a lie

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every time you refuse to say " I am not sinless and perfect " you prove my point. just say it, and I will do what I said.
 
Well of course it does. There is no such thing as "future sins". All sinning occurs in the present. In the "now".

Exactly how long do you suppose the present is the present before it becomes the past?
Don't tell us..... tell this guy:
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It's best to avoid these types. We are well versed in his behavior tactics so this is just a complete waste of time.

None of his posts ever lift up Christ or His love or His grace for us. His posts are nothing but condemnation and slander against those that see things differently then he does.

Just click on his name and it's all right here to see what "spirit" is really driving these posts. It is NOT the Holy Spirit of God which is why our spirit inside of us recoils at his posts.

The saints have been warned about these types before and they will not be fooled. The Holy Spirit will reveal Christ to them.

I'm content to trust the Holy Spirit that He will reveal Christ's awesome grace and love to all of us.

Romans 16:17-18 (KJV)
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Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

[SUP]18 [/SUP] For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
 
in addition , non can say Jesus is Lord if not by the Spirit!!
Agaaaaain..... you don't know what you are talking about. Note the scripture:

1 John 4:1-3 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. [SUP]2 [/SUP]By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; [SUP]3 [/SUP]and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.
 
Biblical illiteracy :)

If you had any idea what repentance is in the New Covenant - you would agree with him. Actually here he is telling people that are living in adultery to repent of that sin.

....imagine that now "O slanderer of the brethren in the body of Christ"

Check out the 1:10 minute mark.

[video=youtube;I-DcZA8NO44]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-DcZA8NO44[/video]
 
From that time Yeshua began to preach, saying,
"Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."
Matthew 4:17 (ESV2011, MBM)
 
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in addition , non can say Jesus is Lord if not by the Spirit!!


Agaaaaain..... you don't know what you are talking about. Note the scripture:

1 John 4:1-3 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. [SUP]2 [/SUP]By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; [SUP]3 [/SUP]and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

Check out this scripture...it's a "goodie"...

1 Corinthians 12:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus is accursed"; and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.

 
Revelation 2:5
Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.


Revelation 2:16
Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.


Revelation 2:21

And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.


Revelation 2:22
Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.


Revelation 3:3
Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.


Revelation 3:19
As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Why all the warnings to the early Christians to repent if all their future sins have already been forgiven regardless of what they do??? Hmmmmm :)
 
The only willful sin is the rejection of Christ as the sacrifice for taking sins away. I have a question for you : Why do every one of your posts and OP's have to do with condemnation? Why don't you ever talk about the grace and love of our Lord Jesus Christ?

ISIT quotes the verse over & over & you still say it's only the rejection of Christ.

Well, guess what..... your teaching isn't in the Bible.

Willful sinning is just that..... not falling into sin as the flesh would do, but rebelliously sinning, making sin your master once more.

Romans 6:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Here you are again..... Building on a lie.
 
Jesus warns us to stop certain behaviors as they will destroy us.

One good reason to stop behaving bad is because consequences come to us in this life. If you take up shooting heroin in your arms today - you will not have a good life nor will you live long. People that slander others in the body of Christ will have consequences too in this life - only they will show up differently than the heroin addict.

Here are some good grace based articles that talk about those churches in Revelation. These will bless you as you see the beauty and love of the Lord for us in those letters to the 7 churches.


We must always look at all obscure scripture through the very clear scriptures.

I like to use this site sometimes as it answers the tough "seemingly" contradictory scriptures in light of the finished work of Christ which is very clearly outlined in scriptures. It also has at the bottom of the article a place where people have asked questions. Sometimes I learn a lot from that area too.

There are a number of articles about the people in Revelation 2 and 3..:

Strike Her Children Dead (Revelation 2:23) ( Jezebel one )

https://escapetoreality.org/2015/06/...velation-2v23/


This one is all about the Laodicean church.

https://escapetoreality.org/category/laodicean-church/

This one is about " Incomplete Deeds: The Zombie Church of Sardis (Rev 3:1-6)"

https://escapetoreality.org/2010/04/...rdis-rev-31-6/

Here is one about." Forsaking Your First Love: What Was the Ephesians’ Problem? (Rev 2:1-7)"

https://escapetoreality.org/2010/04/...blem-rev-21-7/

Here is one about " Holding Fast in Thyatira: The Seductress versus the Savior (Rev 2:18-29)

https://escapetoreality.org/2010/04/...or-rev-218-29/

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Oh and the verse InSpiritInTruth is using like a hammer says:::



It says Sin WILLFULLY.. It does not say,, If we sin after we have received the knowledge of the truth.. NOPE.. It says ""if we sin WILLFULLY . Wilfull sin is sin done with an in your face attitude, willful sin is done with pride.. As in for example the Homosexual who sins the sin of sodomy and then takes part in a gay pride parade to boast about their sin with pride... But InSpiritInTruth wants to use this verse and interpret it's meaning as sin and take away the word willfully from the scriptures or make it out to be an idle wasted unnecessary word that does not need to be there and has no meaning in the verse..

Other Christians believe that there are no idle words in scripture and that every word is there for an important reason..
I never saw that. Nearly every time he quoted it he bolded it.
Building on a lie.....
 
ISIT quotes the verse over & over & you still say it's only the rejection of Christ.

Well, guess what..... your teaching isn't in the Bible.

Willful sinning is just that..... not falling into sin as the flesh would do, but rebelliously sinning, making sin your master once more.

Romans 6:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Here you are again..... Building on a lie.


ISIT does not post scripture after scripture...lol...he posts His "application" of a scripture. If the fact that the wilful sin is unbelief in the sacrifice of Jesus as seen in Hebrews - if this upsets your religious views - so be it.

Answer this question and it will reveal the truth about "wilful sinning".

Have you ever wilfully sinned? Of course you have - so in your religion if the wilful sin is any other sin but unbelief in Christ - there remains no more sacrifice for sins and thus you will die with those sins still on you because Christ's sacrifice for those sins will not be for you.

Can't you see that this is a bunch of religious nonsense? Why not just actually believe the gospel of the grace of Christ instead of your religion?

The truth still remains to yield ourselves to the spirit because we are not under law but this verse in Romans has nothing to do with the wilful sin of rejecting Christ's sacrifice for sins in the book of Hebrews.
 
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what we must understand is this, all sins have been forgiven from the work of God manwards.
"In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace"".(Eph 1:7)
"I am writing to you, dear children, because your sins have been forgiven on account of His name."1 Jn 2:12
“...Their sins and lawless acts, I will remember no more.”(Heb 10:17)
"in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins."(Col 1:14). God no longer has any remembrance of sins towards us.

The sins we commit is against one another( man towards man). That is why the word of God instructs us to "Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you."(Eph 4:32)
"Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you."(Col 3:13)
Aaaaaaaaagain, no eternallys, no forevers, etc. Present tense.

And aaaaagain, you still don't know what you're talking about.
 
ISIT does not post scripture after scripture...lol...he posts His "application" of a scripture. If the fact that the wilful sin is unbelief in the sacrifice of Jesus as seen in Hebrews - if this upsets your religious views - so be it.

Answer this question and it will reveal the truth about "wilful sinning".

Have you ever wilfully sinned? Of course you have - so in your religion if the wilful sin is any other sin but unbelief in Christ - there remains no more sacrifice for sins and thus you will die with those sins still on you because Christ's sacrifice for those sins will not be for you.

Can't you see that this is a bunch of religious nonsense? Why not just actually believe the gospel of the grace of Christ instead of your religion?

The truth still remains to yield ourselves to the spirit because we are not under law but this verse in Romans has nothing to do with the wilful sin of rejecting Christ's sacrifice for sins in the book of Hebrews.
isit gets mad at me because I say he is a sinless perfectionist. but he will not state that he is not sinless and perfect. so, why bother to try to converse with someone like this.
 
Aaaaaaaaagain, no eternallys, no forevers, etc. Present tense.

And aaaaagain, you still don't know what you're talking about.

Maybe this will help you to see the truth about forgiveness...watch closely the Greek tenses - do a study on what the perfect tense is and it'll bless you.

It's the same tense Jesus used when He said "It is finished".

Forgiveness is a done deal - either believe it or don't believe it.

On the subject of forgiveness that we have in Christ now because of His precious Blood...here is what the scriptures say.....sometimes the truth in the gospel of the grace of Christ "conflicts" with what we have been religiously taught.

1 John 2:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] I am writing to you, little children, because your sins have been forgiven you for His name's sake.

have been forgiven = perfect passive

perfect =
The perfect tense in Greek is used to describe a completed past action which produced results which are still in effect all the way up to the present time.
It is continuously happening in the present.

passive = voice =
action is happening to you....you are not doing it

Without a doubt this verse says that the sins are forgiven from a past action that remains in a continuous completed state and that was put on them....not something they did.

Ephesians 1:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

We have redemption = present continuous action...so this means we have present continuous forgiveness of our sins
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and look...that grace stuff shows up again!...
it's all according to the riches of our loving Father's grace that He has given to us in Christ our Lord.

Colossians 1:13-14 (NASB)
[SUP]13[/SUP] For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] in whomwe have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Same thing here too...present continuous action = forgiveness of sins


Redemption!..we have been bought with the precious Blood of Jesus... Let's honor His work.



 
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isit gets mad at me because I say he is a sinless perfectionist. but he will not state that he is not sinless and perfect. so, why bother to try to converse with someone like this.

It's best just to give the scriptures out and walk away - these types love to "bait" people. Personally I think it's best to implement Romans 16:17 to this kind of behavior as it never changes and it is just a complete waste of time.
 

1 John 2:KJV
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:


If any man sin ,,, Future Tense...

Can you prove that? Or did you just say it & made it so?