the trouble we're in

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RickyZ

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Why pick between the left nut and the right nut when you can pick the Johnson.jpg

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Sirk

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I don't know....I can think of a lot of reasons to vote for Trump. None to vote for Hillary.
 
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jennymae

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It's kinda sad that some evangelical Christians are so deceived by Trump that they are fixing to vote him into office. People not supporting him can go on addressing his major flaws over and over again, but the only thing they be saying is that Clinton is worse? I'm starting to doubt that she is on the grounds of both Trumps behavior, and, his supporters behavior. Generally, I assume it is safe to say that the supporters behavior can learn us a lot about the candidate.
 
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It's kinda sad that some evangelical Christians are so deceived by Trump that they are fixing to vote him into office. People not supporting him can go on addressing his major flaws over and over again, but the only thing they be saying is that Clinton is worse? I'm starting to doubt that she is on the grounds of both Trumps behavior, and, his supporters behavior. Generally, I assume it is safe to say that the supporters behavior can learn us a lot about the candidate.
What worries me most is the hatred and antagonism driving a lot of the discussion.
America has lost its moral edge. Greed, pornography, consumerism, gluttony have taken over.

A lot of christians here are quite happy to talk about gun rights, racism, rights to jobs and wealth,
rather than seeing history as a movement of success in the face of great challenges.

You never get success by propoganda, but be solving the biggest problems of the day.
Health care, food distribution, education, distribution of wealth and opportunity, protection
of rights to life.

How many christians even understand these principles or are true internationalists rather than
nationalists?

Once nationalism trumps morality and ethics, faith has gone out the window.
 

jb

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the trouble we're in
The reason the US is in this state is SIMPLY because US Christians haven't fulfilled 1Tim 2v1-8!

"First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life, godly and respectful in every way. This is good, and it is acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth..."

In ALL the threads and posts on your upcoming (US) presidential election in November (2016), I have read nothing about (the importance of) prayer for those in power/authority or presidential candidates, all I have read are political biased ramblings about how great each presidential candidate is and why you were voting for them!

Instead of whinning and moaning about the poor quality of these candidates, why not take your head out of your political bias and start praying, for it is that and that alone that will change the quality of government that you get!

QED!
 

RickyZ

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I pray they BOTH lose
 

Sirk

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It's kinda sad that some evangelical Christians are so deceived by Trump that they are fixing to vote him into office. People not supporting him can go on addressing his major flaws over and over again, but the only thing they be saying is that Clinton is worse? I'm starting to doubt that she is on the grounds of both Trumps behavior, and, his supporters behavior. Generally, I assume it is safe to say that the supporters behavior can learn us a lot about the candidate.
I like a lot of things about trump. Calling people "deceived" is hate speech. Why don't you just call us satans children? Cuz that is what you really mean.
 
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Miri

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I pray they BOTH lose

We had the same problem.
Its a pity those voting papers don't have an option for "none of the above".

Then people could say what they really think!
 
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It's kinda sad that some evangelical Christians are so deceived by Trump that they are fixing to vote him into office. People not supporting him can go on addressing his major flaws over and over again, but the only thing they be saying is that Clinton is worse? I'm starting to doubt that she is on the grounds of both Trumps behavior, and, his supporters behavior. Generally, I assume it is safe to say that the supporters behavior can learn us a lot about the candidate.
So you as a christian rather vote for a woman who laughed about getting a rapist off the hook knowing he raped a 12 year old girl
 

Sirk

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One of the ways I look at trump is like the tv show where a business is about to fail and the guy comes in and fires the inept managers and workers, takes control of the books, makes the hard financial decisions to keep it solvent and saves the company from financial ruin. Trump has a proven record of being a competent CEO.
 

Magenta

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It's kinda sad that some evangelical Christians are so deceived by Trump that they are fixing to vote him into office. People not supporting him can go on addressing his major flaws over and over again, but the only thing they be saying is that Clinton is worse? I'm starting to doubt that she is on the grounds of both Trumps behavior, and, his supporters behavior. Generally, I assume it is safe to say that the supporters behavior can learn us a lot about the candidate.
I just learned something about you, to be sure :p
 

tourist

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So you as a christian rather vote for a woman who laughed about getting a rapist off the hook knowing her raped a 12 year old girl
This needs to be brought up in the next debate along with all of the other outrageous things she has said or done. Trump gave her a pass in the first debate. If he makes the same mistake again he is toast.
 
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This needs to be brought up in the next debate along with all of the other outrageous things she has said or done. Trump gave her a pass in the first debate. If he makes the same mistake again he is toast.
I honestly believe he's going to destroy her on the next debate. He even admitted he was trying not to hurt feelings. I think he realised he has to be the one to expose all her lies & deceptions and not rely on the media or debate host to bring it up.
 
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Sirk

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I honestly believe he's going to destroy her on the next debate. He even admitted he was trying not to hurt feelings. I think he realised he is going to have to expose all her lies & deceptions and not rely on the media or debate host to bring it up.
The last debate is the one people will remember. The first one was a shot over the bow. The second one she'll be listing and taking on water. The third one she'll be at the bottom of the ocean.
 
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CharlieGrown

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It's kinda sad that some evangelical Christians are so deceived by Trump that they are fixing to vote him into office. People not supporting him can go on addressing his major flaws over and over again, but the only thing they be saying is that Clinton is worse? I'm starting to doubt that she is on the grounds of both Trumps behavior, and, his supporters behavior. Generally, I assume it is safe to say that the supporters behavior can learn us a lot about the candidate.
This current president and his Secretary of State HRC have brought us into what could arguably be considered a proxy war with Russia in Syria which is escalating by the minute, and they both support splitting Jerusalem into dual ownership.
 
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jennymae

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I like a lot of things about trump. Calling people "deceived" is hate speech. Why don't you just call us satans children? Cuz that is what you really mean.
Please don't resort to that kind of attitude. It does the debate no good. I simply offered my opinion, which, by the way, I have seen you been doing numerous times on here:)

By the way, that s..... remark was totally uncalled for.
 
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jennymae

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I honestly believe he's going to destroy her on the next debate. He even admitted he was trying not to hurt feelings. I think he realised he has to be the one to expose all her lies & deceptions and not rely on the media or debate host to bring it up.
He don't stand a chance. He is unwilling to learn, he's unwilling to prepare and don't care much about teleprompters. He'll start off good, like in the first debate, and then he'll be slowly fading out leaving the floor to Clinton. Kellyanne Conway must have been pitching several fits by now over her student:p
 

RickyZ

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We had the same problem.
Its a pity those voting papers don't have an option for "none of the above".

Then people could say what they really think!
We can vote 'none of the above' by voting for third party candidates.

(Now the trump clans will say "that's a vote for Killary" while the Clintonians will say "that's a vote for Trump".) It is NIETHER.
 

Sirk

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Please don't resort to that kind of attitude. It does the debate no good. I simply offered my opinion, which, by the way, I have seen you been doing numerous times on here:)

By the way, that s..... remark was totally uncalled for.

And using the word "deceived" furthers the debate? I disagree with that assessment. How can you have an honest debate with someone who says you are deceived? Sounds more like a conclusion than a opinion to me. I won't argue about it anymore....I'll just report it. Getting a little tired of the folks here who use that kind of "debating".