The Real Truth About Joseph Prince!

[PeterJens]

This is shameless manipulation and dishonesty, imo, and seems to be a very sad attempt to try to destroy this man's ministry or reputation.

I agree it can end up looking like this.
It is why these videos can be counter productive.

The flip side is the JP theology is 100% supported by HG believers here and has been
tested over the months and confirms the analysis put forward in the videos.

Have you heard of the idea of your words predict your future. Now it is an odd ethic
or otherwise called the power of positive confession. So if you say something it changes
the situation supernaturally.
Speak and Step Into God's Supply | Articles | Joseph Prince Ministries

This is command theology, that we have power to control anything if we speak it out, or if
speak out illness, we get it.

JP's view of the christian walk is superhumans creating their future through what they speak
forward.

This is not in scripture, rather scripture is about accepting and searching the Lords will in life with
things that you cannot change and bringing love into that situation. Love works despite sin, hate,
lostness, violence and anger.

The spirit between the two is totally different. One is about walking in life with Christ, and seeing
opportunties to meet needs and share love, and the other is a kind of superhuman illusion, of wealth,
success and domination. But simply this does not exist, and is not even scriptural.

 

[PeterJens]

Joseph Prince EXPOSED | Don't Confess Your Sins??

[video=youtube;QoXRUxfxcuY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoXRUxfxcuY[/video]

Here is a video which is putting the points plain and simply on confessing your sins to Christ.
And this point matters, crucially.

 

[Grace777x70]

You can cry nonsense all you want..... your version of repentance is only a change of mind. Nooo remorse, no guilt, no shame. In other words, a change of mind, & nobody's sorry. You're obviously not sorry.

Just more garbage talk and a complete lie and all you are doing is exposing your malice.

It's time to grow up in the Lord. I have said this before that someone can be a Christian for 50 years, pastor churches, read Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, quote 1/2 of the N. T., pray 5 hours a day, go to church every time the doors are open - and still be a baby Christian.

A sign of growth is their behavior as Peter shows here: People that are in malice, slandering, deceit, hypocrisy and envy are baby Christians - it's time for all of us to grow up in Christ.

1 Peter 2:1-2 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander,

[SUP]2 [/SUP] like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation,

 

[Grace777x70]

Joseph Prince EXPOSED | Don't Confess Your Sins??
QUOTE]


More lies and twisted nonsense again revealing the continuing deceitfulness of some people that need to grow up in the Lord. This malice is defiling people as Hebrews 12:15 talks about.

Here is what "the horse's mouth" really says about confession of sins.

[video=youtube;RpUrua961Nk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpUrua961Nk[/video]

 

[PeterJens]

Just more garbage talk and a complete lie and all you are doing is exposing your malice.

Grace777 truly believes he is speaking the truth. Now this is odd as we have for months
gone through all the HG doctrines and show how thoroughly they believe them and how
extreme they are. The videos are just explaining these points.

So why are you slandering and lying Grace777.

It does not help your cause, at all. I do not see malice in Stephen. There is a lot
of frustration at tackling the issues which you blatently ignore. But the problem is the
word "truth". Whoever stands on truth will survive, because Jesus is the truth.

Now I praise God for your movement. It is like the babylonians shaking up a society to
ask what they really believe in because they have fallen asleep. But we now all live
an absurdly long time, are articulate, educated with communication coming out of our
ears. So now everything can be properly addressed and it is being.

So I appreciate you dedication, but you cannot fight truth. Todays society is asking
serious question as to identity, lifestyle and purpose and Jesus has specific answers
and not you are going to heaven, just buy a ticket from Jesus.

 

[Stephen63]

I won't re-post the vid from post#394. Having it once is enough.
And don't even feel a need to post my own personal judgements
of JPrince' teaching, so anyone is free to judge where they think
my opinion of him is.

For this post, I simply want to comment on that video, and in my opinion,
it is a very dishonest mix-match of clips , spliced together to make a rather crude 'hit-piece' against the man.
He is making a point about how some churches have differing views on the whole 'sin, confess, repent' cycle, in two different clips he's shown basically saying the same thing, and he's seen saying 'no, no, no, ...' when the clip is cut short, and another one shows him saying that he never claimed that people shouldn't confess their sins, then the video goes back to the clip of him saying 'no, no, no' and the video's editor puts words on the screen calling him a liar and a false prophet, along with ominous hollywood horror music and more fancy graphics and special fx like slo-mo and overlay stills and color fading.

But there's no evidence on THIS vid that he ever said people shouldn't confess sins, ... only implications and accusations by the video editor, and the viewer is expected to believe it.

This is shameless manipulation and dishonesty, imo, and seems to be a very sad attempt to try to destroy this man's ministry or reputation.

You ever heard "one bad apple don't spoil the whole bunch"?

What about the other videos?

Your "judgment" over 1 video of over a DOZEN is evidence of nitpicking & faultfinding to justify your beliefs.

If I wanted to manipulate to destroy JP's "ministry", I could have posted over 50 videos by now, because they're out there. There's some real trashers out there, & I filtered thru them to find these.

You insulted me..... but you insulted the intelligence of the readers even more by thinking you could deceive them with this post. Shame on you!

 

[Stephen63]

Meanwhile, I thank the Lord that we're saved by God's grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and His finished work on the cross and resurrection, and to that I say thank you, Jesus, praise the Lord, Hallelujah, Amen and Amen!

What do the readers make of this after that last fiasco?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

But there's no evidence on THIS vid that he ever said people shouldn't confess sins, ... only implications and accusations by the video editor, and the viewer is expected to believe it.

 

[Stephen63]

The deception here is simple. If JP is the theological source of teaching, which this thread is about
and he holds to a heretical view on repentance, the exact biblical definition is important, if not
the core of our faith.

It is the reason Jesus came to die on the cross.

I remember a thread upon which HG believers talked about repenting of one type of food to
eat another. It is pure slander and lying to suggest this superficial view of repentance is not
a core ethic of HG approach.

To then suggest that sincere christians who hold Jesus as their Lord are slandering and full
of hate, shows the total lostness of the particular individual concerned.

There is no greater issue in mankind than the lack of knowing God and His conditions for
re-establishing communion.

The reason why this argument is so hard, and the sin of man so deep, is because even when God
lays it out through history, through Jesus and apostles, through the testimony of scholars, believers
still people will lie and distort it, because this has always been about Kingdoms and communion, and
those who walk in the light and those who do not.

Amen. Preach it.

1Listen to the word of the LORD, O sons of Israel,
For the LORD has a case against the inhabitants of the land,
Because there is no faithfulness or kindness
Or knowledge of God in the land. 2There is swearing, deception, murder, stealing and adultery.
They employ violence, so that bloodshed follows bloodshed. 3Therefore the land mourns,
And everyone who lives in it languishes
Along with the beasts of the field and the birds of the sky,
And also the fish of the sea disappear. 4Yet let no one find fault, and let none offer reproof;
For your people are like those who contend with the priest. (Jesus) 5So you will stumble by day,
And the prophet also will stumble with you by night;
And I will destroy your mother. 6My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.
Because you have rejected knowledge,
I also will reject you from being My priest.
Since you have forgotten the law of your God,
I also will forget your children.7The more they multiplied, the more they sinned against Me;
I will change their glory into shame.8They feed on the sin of My people
And direct their desire toward their iniquity.9And it will be, like people, like priest;
So I will punish them for their ways
And repay them for their deeds.10They will eat, but not have enough;
They will play the harlot, but not increase,
Because they have stopped giving heed to the LORD.
So much for a 5-fold grace blessing
There's nothing new under the sun. Hebrews 10 26For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES. 28Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30For we know Him who said, “VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY.” And again, “THE LORD WILL JUDGE HIS PEOPLE.” 31It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

 

[Stephen63]

Just more garbage talk and a complete lie and all you are doing is exposing your malice.

It's time to grow up in the Lord. I have said this before that someone can be a Christian for 50 years, pastor churches, read Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, quote 1/2 of the N. T., pray 5 hours a day, go to church every time the doors are open - and still be a baby Christian.

A sign of growth is their behavior as Peter shows here: People that are in malice, slandering, deceit, hypocrisy and envy are baby Christians - it's time for all of us to grow up in Christ.

1 Peter 2:1-2 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander,

[SUP]2 [/SUP] like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation,

Nope..... he's not sorry.

 

[ladylynn]

Joseph Prince EXPOSED | Don't Confess Your Sins??
QUOTE]


More lies and twisted nonsense again revealing the continuing deceitfulness of some people that need to grow up in the Lord. This malice is defiling people as Hebrews 12:15 talks about.

Here is what "the horse's mouth" really says about confession of sins.

[video=youtube;RpUrua961Nk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpUrua961Nk[/video]

This is a beautiful message of truth I love to hear over and over. We are forgiven we walk in forgiveness every day. Jesus paid for ALLLL our sins. Else we could not be that new creation IN Christ. Else we would not have Jesus as our Advocate taking each and every sin away as far as the east is from the west. Jesus washed allll our sins away!

Excellent message., thanks for posting Bruce!!

 

[ladylynn]

What do the readers make of this after that last fiasco?

Well,, I make of it that Mikey looked at your edited JP video hearing the Darth Vadar voice, then the accompanying Ork music from the movie "Lord of the Rings" and saw some major issues wrong like I did and found fault with it like we all did. Then I read his next post and being thankful to the Lord anyway in spite of what he just heard and saw in your video and thanked Jesus for His finished work on the cross and His resurrection. Then Mikey said thank You Jesus and praise the Lord and Hallelujah, Amen and Amen.

Sounds good to me!!! Thanks Mikey!!

 

[mikeys4grace]

You ever heard "one bad apple don't spoil the whole bunch"?

What about the other videos?

Your "judgment" over 1 video of over a DOZEN is evidence of nitpicking & faultfinding to justify your beliefs.

If I wanted to manipulate to destroy JP's "ministry", I could have posted over 50 videos by now, because they're out there. There's some real trashers out there, & I filtered thru them to find these.

You insulted me..... but you insulted the intelligence of the readers even more by thinking you could deceive them with this post. Shame on you!

I didn't insult you, Mo, I was critiquing one video posted for being dishonest and manipulative and included hollywood style music and graphics and a bunch of special effects to try to disparage someone who isn't even here to defend himself,

but if you want to twist that into thinking that's a personal insult against you, and then falsely accuse me of insulting other ppl here, too, perhaps you DO need to be insulted a bit, and brought down off your high horse.

But I'll refrain at this time. I havee better ways to praise my Lord and Savior ... and engaging in a battle of wits with an unarmed man isn't one of them.

What do the readers make of this after that last fiasco?

I thank you, Lord Jesus, for saving me by your grace and your finished work on the cross and your resurrection!

I'm so grateful that you did for me what I could never have done for myself, that you paid for my sin debt with your own shed blood, and sealed my eternal destiny in You and with You in your Kingdom. Thank You my God and Father and Savior! \o/

Help me going forward, Lord, to walk by faith in Your great love and grace, and help me to grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus.

Thank you for the family of believers, my brothers and sisters in Christ, help me to grow closer with them, especially any one you want me to be even closer with, according as you would have us,

and help me to be faithful to what you would have me to be and do, and to rejoice with those who rejoice in your great salvation also,

being mindful that there are many needs around me, many who need you, Jesus, and to be a friend of friends and help others as you'd see fit,

but if and when I come up short of the mark, as I am still a work in progress, forgive me, Lord, and set me aright, and help me along your path, but mostly, thank YOU, Lord, that You are the One who is ALWAYS Faithful and True. \o/

May Your name be praised and Your love abound, to God be the glory, in Jesus' wonderful name, Amen!

 

[PeterJens]

I have not abandoned the biblical definition of repentance - that is complete nonsense.

I have always said that proper repentance will have the fruit of stopping sinning. The Greek meaning still means "to change the mind" as I have shown in Vine's and in the Complete Biblical library Greek-English dictionary - and that means towards sinning and everything else concerning Christ and what He has done.

Repentance is granted from God as I have shown in scripture too. I have never said that the believer in Christ never stops sinning so your attempts to malign and twist what I am saying will not work.

I have said the complete opposite and said that as we grow in grace - it teaches us how to live godly in Christ Jesus and to walk righteously in this world. That we will live loving, godly lives , loving people and manifesting the life of Christ to a hurt and dying world. I have posted that at least 50x times on CC.

It was a nice try to make it look like I endorse sinning....my goodness what malice will do to people is amazing.

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Vines definition of repentance

In the NT the subject chiefly has reference to "repentance" from sin, and this change of mind involves both a turning from sin and a turning to God.

Vines Topical Bible

The problem with the word to change ones mind is too loose a description in english.
And what shows hypocracy here is the phrase

"that is complete nonsense"

If the argument shifts to dictionaries and interpretations one has to properly go there.
What is obvious is HG need to change the meaning of repentance to make their view
work which is a terrible sign, and repentance is the core relationship response of man
to God. But hey, what do fundamental principles have to do with this. Except everything.

 

[mikeys4grace]

Well,, I make of it that Mikey looked at your edited JP video hearing the Darth Vadar voice, then the accompanying Ork music from the movie "Lord of the Rings" and saw some major issues wrong like I did and found fault with it like we all did. Then I read his next post and being thankful to the Lord anyway in spite of what he just heard and saw in your video and thanked Jesus for His finished work on the cross and His resurrection. Then Mikey said thank You Jesus and praise the Lord and Hallelujah, Amen and Amen.

Sounds good to me!!! Thanks Mikey!!

Awwww, thank you, I was typing in my slow way and didnt know this was posted. That was really nice of you, thank you, ladylynn.

I cant even catch up enough to watch some of these vids, so I havent really made any judgement on JPrince. I've seen some things that didn't sit quite right with me, I've some others that had me saying Amen out loud.

I've only seen a couple of his sermons in full on tv, and didn't see anything wrong, but hey, not everyone can please everyone all the time, and even my own pastor often says, 'hey, it's not about me, it's about Jesus, and I'm not always gonna get things right every time, so I need you folks to help keep me aright too, sometimes'.

Unfortunately, it seems like WAAY too much is made about this particular pastor, on both sides maybe, even, though I realize that those that like and appreciate him are just trying to defend him, and aren't trying to make an idol out of him, from what I can see.

If anything, it's seems like the folks that DONT like him are the ones who are guilty of a sort of reverse-idolatry, lol, like it's almost an obsession.

If Jesus is being praised, and ppl are being saved and growing, praise the Lord!
The Holy Spirit will lead, the Lord knows them that are His, and His grace abounds,
and it seems like alot of ppl here are into that, and isn't that a good thing?!
Thanks again, ladylynn! And again and again and again, too! \ /
God bless you very much!

 

[Chester]

What do the readers make of this after that last fiasco?

You ask what I think? I agree with mikeys4grace on that video post you made. It wasn't fairly presented and the music and other stuff made it very despicable.

You said, "You ever heard "one bad apple don't spoil the whole bunch"?" Really? Did you ever have a rotten apple in with a bag of good ones: the smell, the flies, and the rot soon overtakes them all: and any self-respecting cook will throw the whole bag out!

I think you have a right to post a thread like this, and I support you in doing it: I think that Joseph Prince has some very dangerous teachings. But as I said in an earlier post on this thread, to do something like this thread you must take the time and effort to post fairly, in context of what the speaker meant, and without imposing your own interpretation on what is said. You posted some very good fair clips here, but also some bad ones (more than just one).

I think those several rotten apples have spoiled your whole thread: even the good apples are going to get thrown out with the bad.

My opinion! You asked!!

 

[PeterJens]

Hey guys and girls, I just had a real vision of what repentance is.

A guy goes out for a night out, one thing leads to another, and he gets too amourous
with another woman.

The next day he sees his wife.
She is livid. And he just agrees with her she is right.

Or he gets really, really upset, and starts crying. His heart is broken and he has no clue
what came into his mind to go there. He pleads with his wife to forgive him and he promises
never to do this again and he knows not only how hurtful his behaviour was but also how much
it has upset him. He would do anything to put things right.

Now which version do you thing repentance actually is, with the Living God, the Holy one,
the Creator in whom there is no flaw. Do you think just agreeing is what repentance is,
it is enough to just agree or be sent to hell and destruction to never return.

Sounds like complete fake repentance, just appeasing the other party until the opportunity
comes up again.

 

[mikeys4grace]

I've never been married.

But I hold out hope against hope

 

[tourist]

I've never been married.

But I hold out hope against hope

Keep hoping and praying and maybe God will provide you with the woman of your heart's desire.

 

[Billyd]

I want to ask both sides of this debate a question. This has been on my heart for many years.

In every church that I have attended, I find one very troubling fact. There is an absence of young people from age 18 to 35 (more like 45 in many churches). I attended one recently where the pastor and his family were the only people under sixty present. Why is this happening, and what can we do to change it?

Maybe we can put aside our differences, I believe that they are the root of the problem, and address ways to resolve the problem.