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Well said...that's when they go to mocking and insulting you, trying to "lord it over your faith"....call you a heretic..etc.
It is ok to agree to disagree with others without all the malice, deceit and slandering.
When they continue to do things like that - all we can do is avoid them before they corrupt our minds and emotions and we end up being as bitter as they are.
We have to guard our minds from these types.
The progression is if we don't obey Romans 16:17 - we can this happening to us = 1 Cor 15:33 - then we can end up in bitterness and thus defile others with our bitterness as Hebrews 12:15 shows.
This all sounds very nice, unless you are actually a heretic. Unless ofcourse you are stupid enough
to believe you have got it all right...lol
Exhibit A.....and if you want to see it in action some more - go to "The real truth about Joseph Prince" thread.
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It still doesn't change the fact.
You can call everyone heretics all you want (and all other names out there
) the truth still stands.We're being persecuted.
when He died for us, all our sins were future.
but if someone thinks the way you say, have they ever seen Him? have they ever known Him? were they ever "saved" ?
but you did; you quoted Him: "be holy, because I am holy"
so what does that mean?
almost holy? holy sometimes but not other times?
a little leaven leavens the whole lump.
if we must be holy to be found in Him, and we all fall short, and it's a thing that is up to us -- then we've got a big problem.
if the only way to heaven is perfection, we got a problem.
[video=youtube;mV7X_GQmnBk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV7X_GQmnBk[/video]
how do we solve this?
by something that comes from us? or something that comes from God?
and if it comes from God . . . . ?
is it real?
is it something we can trust? or something to doubt?
amen
No one who lives in him keeps on sinning.
No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
(1 John 3:6)
No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
(1 John 3:6)
what does this imply about the one who has seen Him?
The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him.
But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.
I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.
(John 14:17-18)
But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.
I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.
(John 14:17-18)
and if what He promises us is true - and we have not been left as orphans, but been known by Him - can anyone who has truly seen Him, and truly known ((which is, to have been known)) turn away again?
John says it shows that they never knew Him at all.
Christ says "depart; I never knew you"
that's the flaw in this whole paradigm again.
people talk as if salvation is something a human does -- that we "accept Him" or "make a decision for Him" or whatever other completely unbiblical term you use and were taught. this is not reality at all.
whoever is saved has been foreknown by Him and chosen by Him, predestined by Him and justified by Him and redeemed by Him.
some people keep talking about this as if they were the ones who chose Christ.
false.
and that is why they think they can go on to 'unchoose' Him.
they don't comprehend that salvation is real.
that redemption is real.
if they understood that the Lord is the one who chose and bought and owns me, and that He performed a literal, actual, miraculous work of redemptive transformation in me, it would never enter their minds that i could be 'unborn' and revert back into the dead thing He nailed to His cross and buried deeper than the bottom of the sea.
good grief!!
praise the God who saves and redeems to the uttermost!
He is willing and able, and we are nothing before Him,
but He stooped down to do so much more than merely notice us!!
so walk in Him!
believe!
continue in that faith!
It still doesn't change the fact.
You can call everyone heretics all you want (and all other names out there
We're being persecuted.
No you are being confronted. And rejected.
The problem here is simple
HG teachers have chosen an enemy and teach the ordinary church is it.
So no surprise say a few words of faith and out comes the abuse.
Mohammed did the same with muslims. 50% of what they are taught is about the enemy.
So say anything critical and out comes the automatic response.
It is a very powerful but deceptive ploy. It stops their people looking at alternative explanations
and antagonises the enemy so the muslims feel got at, when it is they who are the agressors.
So I have met this tactic before, but it fails because it destroys the very society these groups form
because normal life throws up the contradictions which cannot be resolved.
The problem is when it gets more extreme and to question the "authority" is a crime.
And once commited punishments are metered out. You end up with a cult, that gets more and more
insular and extreme, until no one can escape. I have read testimonies of people who attempt
to do this, and all their friends and family become the enemy. Not a nice way of being.
HG teachers have chosen an enemy and teach the ordinary church is it.
So no surprise say a few words of faith and out comes the abuse.
Mohammed did the same with muslims. 50% of what they are taught is about the enemy.
So say anything critical and out comes the automatic response.
It is a very powerful but deceptive ploy. It stops their people looking at alternative explanations
and antagonises the enemy so the muslims feel got at, when it is they who are the agressors.
So I have met this tactic before, but it fails because it destroys the very society these groups form
because normal life throws up the contradictions which cannot be resolved.
The problem is when it gets more extreme and to question the "authority" is a crime.
And once commited punishments are metered out. You end up with a cult, that gets more and more
insular and extreme, until no one can escape. I have read testimonies of people who attempt
to do this, and all their friends and family become the enemy. Not a nice way of being.
People can say things that are almost meaningless. Gods standard is perfect.
Gods law is perfect
As for God, his way is perfect: The Lord’s word is flawless; he shields all who take refuge in him.
2 Sam 22:31
Be assured that my words are not false; one who has perfect knowledge is with you.
Job 36:4
The law of the Lord is perfect, refreshing the soul. The statutes of the Lord are trustworthy, making wise the simple.
Psalm 19:7
You will keep in perfect peace those whose minds are steadfast, because they trust in you.
Isiah 26:3
So to walk in Jesus's ways is perfect as He fulfills the law, and in love of God and love of
our neighbour is the fulfillment of the law, so we walk in perfection.
But in their minds this is a legalistic catch, because for them walking with Jesus is failure, and
self condemnation, because they have tried to obey Christ and the sermon on the mount and
found without a transformed heart they cannot. So rather than seeking transformation they
have abandoned the faith and said the intention of God is that we fail to follow in His power.
Well I suppose it is an honest testmony to where they are, but this is not the testimony
of Gods people.
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renewed_hope
Guest
That is not very nice to say at all. You may say people are rejected but because of Christ we are accepted. You may reject her ideas, but rejection in the manner is which you just stated was inappropriate and she deserves an apology
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eternally-gratefull
Guest
Dude, If you sin once, Your doomed, If you think just because you say your sorry God will forgive you. You are mistaken.
Everyone who repented is saved. Because they have true faith. When are you going to repent and trust God. I suggest you stop excusing your sin,
You think repent over and over is going to save you? I suggest you not mock God.
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eternally-gratefull
Guest
Repent is repent.. You repent once. You can't repent over and over.. You don't get saved, unsaved, saved unsaved.
To say you can is to mock the grace of God.
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eternally-gratefull
Guest
That's ridiculous.. Belief in Christ to forgive our sins is eternal security. Only if yu do not believe God can forgive your sin would you think salvation could ever be lost.
You need to stop trying to tell people what EG believes, everytime you do YOU ALWAYS GET IT WRONG
lol. Please peter. do not pray for me. God can not hear your prayers. You need to first. repent, then pray for yourself.
Or at the least. Stop trying to determine what EG believes, and start asking him what he believes, And then listening, Because you seem to have selective hearing,
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eternally-gratefull
Guest
Your right it does.
But to repent about a sin, then sin, and have to repent again. Well if this is true, You never repented to begin with, so how could you have ever been saved.
ie, How can you say lieing is a sin, Then when yu lie to protect yourself. say you have to repent again? That makes no sense. You already knew it was a sin, So you can not repent again.
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chancer
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