Trump: Lies or Just Stupid?

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peacenik

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How stupid can you get.

He went in with full blessings of liberals and NATO.

Sadam had chemical weapons. That was a fact. In fact,bush used intelligence from the stupid Clinton administration for evidence.

You don't have a clue what you are talking about.



No popeye - you are the one who is xxxxxx for a variety of reasons. Among them being the Downing Street Memo which I previously posted and the fact that the only reason why Democrats voted in favor of Bush's war was because of his lies as stated in that form. Saddam did not have chemical weapons and was not expanding nuclear war capability as proven by Hans Blix and the IAEA. The only "nukes" found were those that were disarmed as per the UN's sanctions.


Since time keep your idiotic comments to yourself.
 
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No popeye - you are the one who is xxxxxx for a variety of reasons. Among them being the Downing Street Memo which I previously posted and the fact that the only reason why Democrats voted in favor of Bush's war was because of his lies as stated in that form. Saddam did not have chemical weapons and was not expanding nuclear war capability as proven by Hans Blix and the IAEA. The only "nukes" found were those that were disarmed as per the UN's sanctions.


Since time keep your xxxxx comments to yourself.
Of course Iraq had WMD, the United States gave them to Iraq.
 
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peacenik

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You're right. I should've said those on the left who are over zealous. Not all left wingers participate in that type of behavior.



Actually it is some of the right wingers on this forum who do so. Note how I have presented documented proofs of every claim I have made using conservative sources more often than not. Despite that I still get insulted by a couple of these right wing extremists despite REPEATEDLY presenting evidence from conservative sources. Frankly, I have gotten a bit tired of these responses and decided that the best way to get their respect is to swing back. Thankfully, it is only one or two. Hopefully some day they will learn to reply in a more dignified and intelligent manner like most of the conservatives on this forum do.
 
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No popeye - you are the one who is xxxxx for a variety of reasons. Among them being the Downing Street Memo which I previously posted and the fact that the only reason why Democrats voted in favor of Bush's war was because of his lies as stated in that form. Saddam did not have chemical weapons and was not expanding nuclear war capability as proven by Hans Blix and the IAEA. The only "nukes" found were those that were disarmed as per the UN's sanctions.


Since time keep your idiotic comments to yourself.
Saddam didn't have chemical weapons? So it must have been your standard ordinary yellow mustard you can pick up at wal mart that he gassed all those kurdish children with I guess.
 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/25/u...rican-bar-association.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1


Alarmed by Donald J. Trump’s record of filing lawsuits to punish and silence his critics, a committee of media lawyers at the American Bar Association commissioned a report on Mr. Trump’s litigation history. The report concluded that Mr. Trump was a “libel bully” who had filed many meritless suits attacking his opponents and had never won in court.
But the bar association refused to publish the report, citing “the risk of the A.B.A. being sued by Mr. Trump.”
David J. Bodney, a former chairman of the media-law committee, said he was baffled by the bar association’s interference in the committee’s journal.
“It is more than a little ironic,” he said, “that a publication dedicated to the exploration of First Amendment issues is subjected to censorship when it seeks to publish an article about threats to free speech.”
In internal communications, the bar association’s leadership, including its general counsel’s office and public relations staff, did not appear to dispute the report’s conclusions.
But James Dimos, the association’s deputy executive director, objected to the term “libel bully” and other sharp language in the report, saying in an Oct. 19 email that the changes were needed to address “the legitimately held views of A.B.A. staff who are charged with managing the reputational and financial risk to the association.”
“While we do not believe that such a lawsuit has merit, it is certainly reasonable to attempt to reduce such a likelihood by removing inflammatory language that is unnecessary to further the article’s thesis,” Mr. Dimos wrote. “Honestly, it is the same advice members of the forum would provide to their own clients.”
Mr. Trump has made frequent threats in recent weeks to file more lawsuits, including ones against The New York Times for publishing parts of his tax returns and accounts of women accusing him of sexual misconduct. On Saturday, he threatened to sue the women themselves.
Members of the committee expressed dismay with the bar association’s actions.
“It’s colossally inappropriate for the A.B.A. to sponsor a group of lawyers to study free speech issues and at the same time censor their free speech,” said Charles D. Tobin, another former chairman of the committee.
Mr. Dimos did not respond to a request for comment. Carol Stevens, an A.B.A. spokeswoman and a former managing editor of USA Today, said the association had only minor and routine objections to the article’s tone.
“We thought it was an insightful article, and we asked them to consider minor edits,” she said.
George Freeman, a third former chairman of the forum, disputed that characterization.
“I don’t think it’s fair to say ‘minor edits,’ ” he said. “Among the edits they wanted to make were the title and the lede,” he said, using newspaper jargon for the article’s opening passage.
The article was titled “Donald J. Trump Is a Libel Bully but Also a Libel Loser.” The bar association’s proposed title was “Presidential Election Demonstrates Need for Anti-Slapp Laws.” The acronym stands for Strategic Lawsuits Against Public Participation. In states with such laws, defendants can sometimes seek early dismissal of libel and similar suits and recover their legal fees.
Mr. Freeman, a former lawyer at The New York Times Company, is executive director of the Media Law Resource Center, a trade association of law firms and media companies. On Friday, the center posted the report on its site.
Ms. Stevens, the bar association spokeswoman, emphatically denied that the fear of a libel suit had played any role in the association’s objections. Ms. Stevens declined to comment when she was read passages from Mr. Dimos’s email. “I’m not a lawyer,” she said, “and that wasn’t my fear.”
Presented with the email, which indicated that she had received it at the time, she pointed to a passage in it that raised another criticism of the study. “Mr. Dimos’s primary concern was the use of partisan language,” Ms. Stevens said. “By policy, the A.B.A. is strictly nonpartisan.”
The study was prepared by Susan E. Seager, a former journalist, a Yale Law School graduate and a longtime First Amendment lawyer. She found seven free speech-related lawsuits filed by Mr. Trump and his companies. They included ones against an architecture critic and his newspaper; a book author and his publisher; a political commentator; a former student at Trump University; two labor unions; a network executive; and a beauty contest contestant.
“It’s based on court records, all of it,” Ms. Seager said in an interview. The report includes 81 footnotes.
The report concluded that Mr. Trump had lost four suits, withdrawn two and obtained one default judgment in a private arbitration when a former Miss Pennsylvania failed to appear to contest the matter.
“Donald J. Trump is a libel bully,” the report concluded. “Like most bullies, he’s also a loser, to borrow from Trump’s vocabulary.”
The bar association sought to eliminate that conclusion, which Ms. Seager said was the point of her report.
“I wanted to alert media lawyers that a lot of these threats are very hollow,” she said.
Ms. Seager said the bar association’s action showed that Mr. Trump’s threats work. “The A.B.A. took out every word that was slightly critical of Donald Trump,” she said. “It proved my point.”
Mr. Tobin said the media law committee, the Forum on Communications Law, had been prepared to publish the report without changes.
“Everyone who looked at it on the forum side felt her conclusions were well founded, were backed up by her scholarship and that the A.B.A. should not be censoring a First Amendment lawyer’s point of view about a current presidential candidate’s litigation tactics,” he said.
Mr. Freeman said the bar association’s actions were also at odds with its larger role. “As the guardian of the values of our legal system,” he said, “the A.B.A. should not stop the publication of an article that criticizes people for bringing lawsuits not to win them but to economically squeeze their opponents.”
Mr. Bodney said the country’s finest media lawyers had been ready to defend the bar association without charge had Mr. Trump chosen to sue.
“If push came to shove, as I recently told an A.B.A. representative, one could surely imagine top-notch libel lawyers standing in line to defend this article against a defamation lawsuit on a pro bono basis,” he said. “Evidently, that wasn’t assurance enough.”






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Saddam didn't have chemical weapons? So it must have been your standard ordinary yellow mustard you can pick up at wal mart that he gassed all those kurdish children with I guess.

click on search, read all the evidence (especially those from CONSERVATIVE sources) and see for yourself who is writing the truth about this
 
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click on search, read all the evidence (especially those from CONSERVATIVE sources) and see for yourself who is writing the truth about this
You keep repeating this "conservative sources" mantra. I'm not so sure it isn't yourself that you're trying to or have convinced.
 

peacenik

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You keep repeating this "conservative sources" mantra. I'm not so sure it isn't yourself that you're trying to or have convinced.


Perhaps you have forgotten that it was you who put me on your ignore list when all that evidence was presented. That's the price you pay for your closed mindedness. ;)
 
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Perhaps you have forgotten that it was you who put me on your ignore list when all that evidence was presented. That's the price you pay for your closed mindedness. ;)
Not really...I just recognize propaganda when I see it....hear it etc. I have no doubt you are paid to be here.
 

peacenik

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Not really...I just recognize propaganda when I see it....hear it etc. I have no doubt you are paid to be here.


Too bad the truth just doesn't fit your sense of right wing political correctness.

Just remember this: right wing hero Bush had the LOWEST approval rating on record when he left office. The true American hero Obama has the highest approval record in recent decades.


That tells you all you need to know. :)
 

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Too bad the truth just doesn't fit your sense of right wing political correctness.

Just remember this: right wing hero Bush had the LOWEST approval rating on record when he left office. The true American hero Obama has the highest approval record in recent decades.


That tells you all you need to know
. :)
That is a logical fallacy.....argumentum ad populum
 
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That is a logical fallacy.....argumentum ad populum
These people are paid to post this nonsense on forums and stir things up. Cause doubt etc. I've read their playbook. He/she does a good job of sticking to it.
 

peacenik

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These people are paid to post this nonsense on forums and stir things up. Cause doubt etc. I've read their playbook. He/she does a good job of sticking to it.


Paid Commenters Hired By Fox News To Spread Right Wing Talking Points Across The Net | Addicting Info | The Knowledge You Crave


In his new book, “Murdoch’s World,” David Folkenflik reveals Fox News’ practice of using paid commenters with fake social media accounts, to deceive the online community. Folkenflik says members of Fox’s online PR staff created between twenty and a hundred fake profiles on social media accounts each. The accounts are used by PR staff in order to push the station’s extreme right-wing agenda.
[h=2]Does this really come as a surprise?[/h]

Does this really come as a surprise? As a freelance writer I have encountered hundreds of help wanted postings for fake right-wing bloggers, paid commenters and bogus survey takers. Most of the positions pay between five and ten cents a post. The “paid commenters” ads usually appear on international freelancing sites, meaning you do not have to live in the United States to help push the tea party agenda here.
[h=2]The right-wing generally recruits their fake bloggers and paid commenters from outside of the US.[/h]If you thought the tea party social media trolls just had bad English and grammar skills back when they first came on the scene, you were wrong. In order to avoid being caught, the right wing generally recruits their fake bloggers and paid commenters from outside of the US. In 2011, a help wanted posting appeared on Craigslist in Toronto. In an effort to elevate the reading and speaking skills of its online propaganda machine, the right-wing made the mistake of trying to recruit new shills just a little too close to home. That help wanted posting got the attention of several independent journalists, both in Canada and the U.S.
In ‘Murdoch’s World,’ Folkenflik confirms what many social media users have known for a long time. Many right-wing commenters are using fake profiles and they are getting paid for spewing their filth around the web. Folkenflik reveals that these paid commenters use a wide range of deceptive tactics to hide their true identities. Using wireless broadband connections so that the comments cannot be traced back to their source, is just one of the many tactics employed.
[h=2]The former president of Advantage Consultants, Doug Guetzloe is a tea party/right-wing radio host.[/h]It’s tempting to think that Fox is the only source of right-wing internet trolls. That’s certainly not the case, however. There are a large number of companies that hire bogus bloggers and paid commenters. Take for example Advantage Consultants, a company that went out of business after being exposed as a source of bogus right-wing talking points, which were being spread around the web. The former president of Advantage Consultants, Doug Guetzloe is a tea party/right-wing radio host. Guetzloe is also the founder of a group called “Ax the Tax,” that pushes the tea party agenda in Florida.
[h=2]Gawker reports that its site is one of many that has been targeted by Fox’s paid commenters[/h]In his book, Folkenflik makes it clear that Fox’s paid commenters do not just confine themselves to posting on Fox’s own blogs or web-sites. They routinely scan the internet for any news that is deemed in need of “fair and balanced” right wing agenda spreading. They respond to normal people in the comments sections of any number of web-sites, often with aggressive and insulting attacks. Gawker reports that its site is one of many that has been targeted by Fox’s paid commenters, otherwise known as social media trolls. According to Gawker, Folkenflik said that when he was at Fox “even blogs with minor followings were reviewed to ensure no claim went unchecked.”
[h=2]Paid commenters use vicious attacks against anyone who posts an opposing opinion.[/h]The point of these fake commenters is not just to push a specific agenda. It’s also to deceive the unsuspecting public about the actual amount of support that exists for that agenda. Paid commenters use vicious attacks against anyone who posts an opposing opinion. Eventually the attacks have the effect of driving people with opposite views away from the targeted sites. This allows them to dominate the web with their fake profiles, while at the same time discouraging real people from participating in the discussion.
The right-wing agenda being pushed by these paid commenters, hired by Fox and other sources, doesn’t just include tax breaks for the rich and the myth of corporate person-hood. It includesracism, sexism, homophobia, hatred of the poor and much more. To see some of the comments and views presented by Fox’s commenters, you can visit this web-site, which is entirely devoted to highlighting the worst of the worst comments which have been published on Fox’s site.





Proof of paid right wing trolls. Sirk is undoubtedly one of these but he/she gets defeated by the truth each time.

 
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Paid Commenters Hired By Fox News To Spread Right Wing Talking Points Across The Net | Addicting Info | The Knowledge You Crave


In his new book, “Murdoch’s World,” David Folkenflik reveals Fox News’ practice of using paid commenters with fake social media accounts, to deceive the online community. Folkenflik says members of Fox’s online PR staff created between twenty and a hundred fake profiles on social media accounts each. The accounts are used by PR staff in order to push the station’s extreme right-wing agenda.
Does this really come as a surprise?


Does this really come as a surprise? As a freelance writer I have encountered hundreds of help wanted postings for fake right-wing bloggers, paid commenters and bogus survey takers. Most of the positions pay between five and ten cents a post. The “paid commenters” ads usually appear on international freelancing sites, meaning you do not have to live in the United States to help push the tea party agenda here.
The right-wing generally recruits their fake bloggers and paid commenters from outside of the US.

If you thought the tea party social media trolls just had bad English and grammar skills back when they first came on the scene, you were wrong. In order to avoid being caught, the right wing generally recruits their fake bloggers and paid commenters from outside of the US. In 2011, a help wanted posting appeared on Craigslist in Toronto. In an effort to elevate the reading and speaking skills of its online propaganda machine, the right-wing made the mistake of trying to recruit new shills just a little too close to home. That help wanted posting got the attention of several independent journalists, both in Canada and the U.S.
In ‘Murdoch’s World,’ Folkenflik confirms what many social media users have known for a long time. Many right-wing commenters are using fake profiles and they are getting paid for spewing their filth around the web. Folkenflik reveals that these paid commenters use a wide range of deceptive tactics to hide their true identities. Using wireless broadband connections so that the comments cannot be traced back to their source, is just one of the many tactics employed.
The former president of Advantage Consultants, Doug Guetzloe is a tea party/right-wing radio host.

It’s tempting to think that Fox is the only source of right-wing internet trolls. That’s certainly not the case, however. There are a large number of companies that hire bogus bloggers and paid commenters. Take for example Advantage Consultants, a company that went out of business after being exposed as a source of bogus right-wing talking points, which were being spread around the web. The former president of Advantage Consultants, Doug Guetzloe is a tea party/right-wing radio host. Guetzloe is also the founder of a group called “Ax the Tax,” that pushes the tea party agenda in Florida.
Gawker reports that its site is one of many that has been targeted by Fox’s paid commenters

In his book, Folkenflik makes it clear that Fox’s paid commenters do not just confine themselves to posting on Fox’s own blogs or web-sites. They routinely scan the internet for any news that is deemed in need of “fair and balanced” right wing agenda spreading. They respond to normal people in the comments sections of any number of web-sites, often with aggressive and insulting attacks. Gawker reports that its site is one of many that has been targeted by Fox’s paid commenters, otherwise known as social media trolls. According to Gawker, Folkenflik said that when he was at Fox “even blogs with minor followings were reviewed to ensure no claim went unchecked.”
Paid commenters use vicious attacks against anyone who posts an opposing opinion.

The point of these fake commenters is not just to push a specific agenda. It’s also to deceive the unsuspecting public about the actual amount of support that exists for that agenda. Paid commenters use vicious attacks against anyone who posts an opposing opinion. Eventually the attacks have the effect of driving people with opposite views away from the targeted sites. This allows them to dominate the web with their fake profiles, while at the same time discouraging real people from participating in the discussion.
The right-wing agenda being pushed by these paid commenters, hired by Fox and other sources, doesn’t just include tax breaks for the rich and the myth of corporate person-hood. It includesracism, sexism, homophobia, hatred of the poor and much more. To see some of the comments and views presented by Fox’s commenters, you can visit this web-site, which is entirely devoted to highlighting the worst of the worst comments which have been published on Fox’s site.





Proof of paid right wing trolls. Sirk is undoubtedly one of these but he/she gets defeated by the truth each time.

Nope....but you are. I have friends here. You only have friends you've been disingenuous with. Nice try tho. I'll admit youre pretty good...but not good enough to fool me.
 

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Nope....but you are. I have friends here. You only have friends you've been disingenuous with. Nice try tho. I'll admit youre pretty good...but not good enough to fool me.

I'm not here to win a popularity contest. Instead, I'm here to post the TRUTH. And that is all you are going to get from me. You have any proof to the contrary? Go ahead and post it. As I posted a long time ago on this forum, if you want a debate with me, that's fine and dandy. But you have lost that debate even before it has started. So far I have not lost one debate on this forum. The reason being a very simple one - all I have done is to post the truth. It may not be politically correct to you or others like you (the ones who call Reagan, Bush, and Fox "liberal") but you have no choice - deal with it.
 
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I'm not here to win a popularity contest. Instead, I'm here to post the TRUTH. And that is all you are going to get from me. You have any proof to the contrary? Go ahead and post it. As I posted a long time ago on this forum, if you want a debate with me, that's fine and dandy. But you have lost that debate even before it has started. So far I have not lost one debate on this forum. The reason being a very simple one - all I have done is to post the truth. It may not be politically correct to you or others like you (the ones who call Reagan, Bush, and Fox "liberal") but you have no choice - deal with it.
You're here because some left wing company pays you to be. You even get bonus's and atta boys if you convert someone. Which I haven't seen....maybe they should fire you for being crappy at your job. Lol
 
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Waiting for your "proof".
I have all the proof I need....and so do many others around here. Just keep spouting your "truth"....like one person believes you anyway. Lol
 
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