the lie that Jesus ministry was law

[followjesus]

What I was trying to show was that a person has got to be reborn of the Spirit of GOD first before they can just read the teachings of JESUS and do them.

you have to believe what is written to BE born again, we are born again because we believe it. if we believe it and are born again , then we have to accept that were supposed to do what God says for us to do....if our false doctrine rejects all of the right and wrong, life and death , judgement and teaching, all because they see a tiny portion of scripture pointing out Gods Grace that came with Jesus.......its not wise to omit anything in the words of Jesus, we need to learn every word He said and prayerfully seek His will. we need to go help where we can those who need. the gog doesnt teach really anything Jesus taught. Hes about clothing the naked, feeding the hungry, giving water to the thirsty, giving our extra to those with great need all around us. and doing those things in Jesus name for His glory, spreading His gospel with TRUE LOVE THAT IS ACTION laying down my own selfish desires, in honor of Jesus WHO said these things before He gave His life.........


I will follow Jesus to my last breath, i will make mistakes in Life, but i will embrace the guilt when i do, and repent truly from the heart and God is faithful to always restore those who live thier Lives to honor the one they say they Love so Much.....this Jesus that the gog works so hard to silence and disqualify His words about things. you are right we gotta have the spirit be born of it

(john 6:63.) 1 peter 1:22-23 Since you have purified your souls by obedience to the truth, so that you have a genuine love for your brothers, love one another deeply, from a pure heart. 23For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable,through the living and enduring word of God."



we dont have to be perfect, we Just have to follow the Lord Jesus Christ, He is suffucient to do the things we cant, but He is not teaching us there is notthoing to do, nor is he telling us he already did everything so we just kick back and relax till he comes back.....no...He teaches us to live each day AS IF he is coming tomorrow

 

[followjesus]

If we do as Jesus teaches, you are absolutly correct. When I first came to be convinced of Jesus Christ by the Holy Spirit, I realized aperson could get the Gospel from a Betty Crocker Cookbook, were it kGod's will, yes.

As for the law and the great point of the three given by our Mastser, that is mercy, we too have authority t some degree in forgiving sins in that we are commanded to show mercy to all. Nos this is not the final authority but it is the authority to live paitence and long-suffering with others forgiving their trespasses in generañ of tjeu asl amd abiding i faith the Lord will do the rest. Faith is all. I pray this makes sense to you...if not I will elaborate for you. You are quite the teacher it sems, please stay around in faith.

there is also the aspect to the gospel that each person has the spirit with them, there is no hiding from God the level of faith and understanding we have in us, God Knows every as[pect of our minds. there is an element of difference also between the Law and Jesus gospel when it comes to when sin , is sin. in the Law even if someone sinned unintentionally, they were held to account, even people who didn't know the written Laws.

in the gospel because it is spirit, personal to each believer their own relationship to God through the spirit of Jesus our mediator, sin becomes not as the Law in that we are each held accountable in the gospel according to what we understand is right and wrong. in other words " if a man knows the right to do, and doesn't do it, to him it is sin" or Jesus said " the person who knows His masters will and doesn't get ready will be punished more severely yhan the one who doesn't know Gods will and does things deserving punishment. " to the one who is given much, much will be demanded, to the one who is given little , little will be expected"

this is the reason we cant judge one another in the gospel ALL JUDGEMENT was entrusted to Jesus the Son, all authority to condemn and pardon. grace doctrine says " he will never condemn anyone" yet Jesus word says " there is a judge for the one who rejects me and my words, the very words I have spoken will condemn Him at the last day." the only way to know whats true is to stick with what Jesus taught. not let people convice Christians to omit the Lords word. mans doctrines cant save, Jesus Gave the real everlasting Gospel, and it is the same then, now and always. the Law was a 0pre requisite for the gospel

 

[followjesus]

the Law of moses ended when Jesus died, its authority over anyone who died with Him. the Laws authority ends when a person dies, that's why scripture teaches us that " we died with Jesus" because when you die the Law no longer has authority over the person, the Law of moses is earth, it is government for the flesh of sinful man. the gospel is " the spirit of the Law" without the curse of " sin in us" that put us to death because sinners cant keep a holy Law, with a right heart.

The ministry of Jesus completes or perfects the Law, dies to end the Law of moses authority and His blood validates His ministry as the new covenant. the Law is for sinners, the gospel is for the new creation. one is written to rebellious man, the other to those who believe and are born again. they are different, just as the flesh and spirit are different. they are part of the same, but 2 aspects that are different. One in spirit, but the gospel is perfect, where the Law was weakened by Mans sinful nature.

Jesus ended the laws authority.

romans 7:1-6 "Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that THE LAW HAS AUTHORITY OVER SOMEONBE ONLY AS LONG AS THEY LIVE ? 2For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.4So, my brothers and sisters, YOU ALSO DIED TO THE LAW THROUGH THE BODY OF CHRUIST through the body of Christ, that you might BELONG TO ANOTHER TO HIM WHO WAS RAISED FROM THE DEAD, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[SUP]a[/SUP] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code."

this is why paul teaches believers died with Jesus to the Law of moses. so that we are released from the first covenant, and bound to the Gospel. the old was death to all sinners, the new is salvation from that curse for those who repent and believe the gospel. Jesus doesn't teach us to obey the mosaic Law, He doesn't teach us to NOT obey it either. Jesus Brought a whole new message, the Kongdom of God was preached from matthew on. the Law is part of preparing the world for a savior and a new spirit that came through Jesus death and resurrection, and also as much through His ministry.

The Law is good, righteous and holy, it was weakened by our nature of sin, and the enemy deceived us and put us to death through the good Law. because of this, Jesus came to destroy the devils work. Jesus came and took that death we earned, and gave us the eternal Life HE earned. Then He gave us the new Word of God which is Hois gospel of the Kingdom, His words of spirit and Life. the Law is flesh

 

[JaumeJ]

You have said it,and it is true, from Genesis to the final Amen of Revelation there is teaching from our Father. Nothing is modified per se but it is expanded upon until we are perfected on His Day, that is to say, the Work He began in each one of us, He will complete.

If people would understand this, they would never say another who loves Jesus Christ is "under the law." He (all of us) is learning and beingmade perfect. God bless all who are doing just so, amen.

 

[TMS]

Faith and works again.
yes believe and you will be saved.

Why is it that faith without works is dead?

Because they go hand in hand with each other. Don't separate them. if works are not done by faith or through faith, than they are useless. If faith does not result in works or if you think you believe and your actions don't show it, than it is faith that is dead.

Keeping the law is not a work but a delight for those that love the Lord.
As we become renewed, (sanctified by Gods Spirit) the Law of God becomes more and more natural and that is what Jesus was like.

Psa 1:2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
Psa 1:3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

 

[Eternallife]

Sometimes I don't understand why people think that Jesus isn't able to govern His people and still needs Moses to warn them. Jesus is well able to govern His people.

 

[Eternallife]

I guess I mean people who ought to know better. This is a real complex issue . And it is sin in people's heart that keep people from seeing this and I don't want anyone to think I'm a hypocrite and that I was never a servant of sin. We have many many false prophets destracting us from the simplicity of the gospel.

 

[garee]

Just a few examples, in order to omit the validity of Jesus ministry, things like the sermon on the mount or the countless parables and plain lessons taught by the Lord above all, there is a theory Jesus taught the mosaic law, therefore His words, teachings commands in the 4 gospels simply dont apply to His church, that was only for those present with Him, it was law, and therefore the gospel is only His death and resurrection. a theory that basically disregards Jesus ministry, and actually makes it a bad thing to be a " red letter believer" meaning you believe that Jesus gospel is the true and correect doctrine, of HIS CHURCH, HIS BODY, HIS BRIDE. clearly looking at just these few examples, no one should be able to hold to the idea that Jesus was teaching the law, simply because he is saying " you heard the law...it said this, BUT I TELL YOU this other thing. Jesus teachings are the foundation opf any correct doctrine and applies eternally to His people.

His every word from Genesis 1:1 through Revelation 22;22.Is law they do not make up the philosophical theories of men according to the oral traditions thereof.

The moral laws needed to govern a creation that fell are still against us so that we do not do as we please. . This includes the parables as perfect laws by which we can have the spiritual understanding hid from the lost..

It is not in respect to ceremonial laws as something we cannot judge one another with like the Sabbath, it pointed ahead to the suffering of Christ beforehand and the glory that followed (the veil was rent indicating Christ the Holy Spirit came in the flesh for a demonstration of the Spirit,( not seen) as the verse says below : bringing in of a better living hope; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Hebrews 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Because the whole Bible is the perfect law as in complete lacking nothing (no theories) it can perform that which is appointed to us as God works in us to both will and do his good pleasure as an imputed righteousness not of ourselves.

Grace in respect to the work of Christ’s faith paid the eternal wage due.It shows that the law of faith in respect to the work of Christ is perfect.

The” law” of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring “for ever”: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fineMoreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults. Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression. Psa 19:7-13

 

[Demi777]

Wow this thread is just a week old and it has 10 Pages

 

[followjesus]

You have said it,and it is true, from Genesis to the final Amen of Revelation there is teaching from our Father. Nothing is modified per se but it is expanded upon until we are perfected on His Day, that is to say, the Work He began in each one of us, He will complete.

If people would understand this, they would never say another who loves Jesus Christ is "under the law." He (all of us) is learning and beingmade perfect. God bless all who are doing just so, amen.

AMEN ! isnt Our God WONDERFUL???

 

[followjesus]

His every word from Genesis 1:1 through Revelation 22;22.Is law they do not make up the philosophical theories of men according to the oral traditions thereof.

The moral laws needed to govern a creation that fell are still against us so that we do not do as we please. . This includes the parables as perfect laws by which we can have the spiritual understanding hid from the lost..

It is not in respect to ceremonial laws as something we cannot judge one another with like the Sabbath, it pointed ahead to the suffering of Christ beforehand and the glory that followed (the veil was rent indicating Christ the Holy Spirit came in the flesh for a demonstration of the Spirit,( not seen) as the verse says below : bringing in of a better living hope; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Hebrews 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Because the whole Bible is the perfect law as in complete lacking nothing (no theories) it can perform that which is appointed to us as God works in us to both will and do his good pleasure as an imputed righteousness not of ourselves.

Grace in respect to the work of Christ’s faith paid the eternal wage due.It shows that the law of faith in respect to the work of Christ is perfect.

The” law” of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring “for ever”: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fineMoreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults. Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression. Psa 19:7-13

i disagree. the bibles words are all true, but they are not all law. its very specific. whatever came from God through moses to the isrealites, is law. there is a "book of the Law" there are at least 400 seperate individual commands that make up the law of moses. Jesus changed everything with the gospel.

The Law has regulations for sacrifice, Jesus completely fulfilled the sacrificial laws all of them, the law has ceremonial cleansing laws, Jesus words are our cleansing now, so the ceremonisal cleansing laws are all fulfilled, the law command observance of festivals, feasts ect. to remind the people of Gods deliverance from egypt, the gospel has communion asthe reminder of our deliverance from sin. the law COMMANDS that sinners be judged and punished by each other, the gospel forbids judging and condemning another and cirtainly stoning another person.....they are different one is the foundation, the other is the house completed.


the 2 covenants are truly from the same promise, and the first patterns the new, but the similarities end there. to word it better, the first covenant is incomplete, lacking mercy. mans sinfulness put us to death according to law, Jesus died to remove that judgement, and gave us the gospel full of mercy and spirit of truth that serves as the Law now, the words of Jesus govern everyhting in scripture.

 

[followjesus]

Sometimes I don't understand why people think that Jesus isn't able to govern His people and still needs Moses to warn them. Jesus is well able to govern His people.

Jesus warns also, so does paulm peter, james, john all the prophets, moses, Gopd himself.....warning about sin and its consequence IS part of Gods word of Life. if we have a child, do we warn them of all the dangers that can destroy them? or do we say " you are precious, you can never be in the wrong no matter what you do, there are no rules my child"...

I am thankful that God revealed to me years ago that i was a sinner, when i thought i was a good guy, God shows us in the gospel, no one is good but God, in the gospel we see who we really are as sinners, and we see who God is creating us to be. Jesus, if we believe the gospel.

The law has a great purpose even now in regards to teaching what is sin. if the law did not say " do not have sexual relations with your neighbors wife........manking would be in the dark about right and wrong concerning adultery. all of the law serves this purpose, it aids in teaching righteousness

 

[followjesus]

I guess I mean people who ought to know better. This is a real complex issue . And it is sin in people's heart that keep people from seeing this and I don't want anyone to think I'm a hypocrite and that I was never a servant of sin. We have many many false prophets destracting us from the simplicity of the gospel.

That is very very true. sometimes those false prophets are themselves deceived, not preaching a message they understand is destructive to the believer. i think some are convinced by false doctrines of things and then they really believe strongly in the doctrine. some think " we need to omit anything that seems convicting, or makes us feel guilty and just tell people God will never punish us, hes too good for that, we cant sin even if we sin" then the doctrines evolve into things like "deny your conscience, your flesh is dead so its ok if you sin in the body, because you serve by the spirit, things like jesus words dont apply anymore, or only pauls words matter, or you gotta see who hes talking to......one foundational deception and the rest of the house will be weakened at the core. IF we just trust Jesus word about all things in Gods Kingdom, we cannot ever be wrong in what we believe

 

[followjesus]

Faith and works again.
yes believe and you will be saved.

Why is it that faith without works is dead?

Because they go hand in hand with each other. Don't separate them. if works are not done by faith or through faith, than they are useless. If faith does not result in works or if you think you believe and your actions don't show it, than it is faith that is dead.

Keeping the law is not a work but a delight for those that love the Lord.
As we become renewed, (sanctified by Gods Spirit) the Law of God becomes more and more natural and that is what Jesus was like.

Psa 1:2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
Psa 1:3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

romans 1:5 "Through him we received grace and apostleship to call all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith for his name's sake."

romans 16:26 "but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, SO THAT ALL THE GENTILES MIGHT COME TO THE OBEDIENCE THAT COMES FROM FAITH"


righteousness by Faith, is right actions that come because we have faith in Jesus. faith will always result in action. really, a persons consistant actions tell you what they truly believe, faith is "evidence" of what we dont see, and substance of what we hope for. if we believe we are the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus, then our actions will tell the truth of it. because in the end

" whoever does what is right, is righteous, Just as He is righteous" Jesus came to call "sinners TO repentance" or in other words

titus 2:11-15 ""For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to ALL PEOPLE. It TEACHES US to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to LIVE self-controlled, UPRIGHT AND GODLY LIVES in this PRESENT AGE, WHILE WE WAIT for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Our Savior, Jesus Christ, WHO GAVE HIMSELF FOR US to redeem us from ALL WICKEDNESS and TO PURIFY for himself a PEOPLE that are his very own, EAGER TO DO what is good."


this Grace of God, comes only through Jesus Christ and His ministry, and the knowledge that He Loved us enough to die...thats why we obey Him who said " obey me" he died, and we believe he gsve His life freely for us. there is no christian doctrine that is even close to true that will be based on " why Jesus words dont apply" that message is the opposite of Gods word and comes only from the enemy who is still trying to keep Gods beloved in the chains of everlasting destruction through sin.....even if the enemy says " grace"...Hios goal is to hide Jesus words from the believers, because without Jesus words, we have no spirit or life

 

[jaybird88]

the Law of moses ended when Jesus died, its authority over anyone who died with Him. the Laws authority ends when a person dies, that's why scripture teaches us that " we died with Jesus" because when you die the Law no longer has authority over the person, the Law of moses is earth, it is government for the flesh of sinful man. the gospel is " the spirit of the Law" without the curse of " sin in us" that put us to death because sinners cant keep a holy Law, with a right heart.

The ministry of Jesus completes or perfects the Law, dies to end the Law of moses authority and His blood validates His ministry as the new covenant. the Law is for sinners, the gospel is for the new creation. one is written to rebellious man, the other to those who believe and are born again. they are different, just as the flesh and spirit are different. they are part of the same, but 2 aspects that are different. One in spirit, but the gospel is perfect, where the Law was weakened by Mans sinful nature.

Jesus ended the laws authority.

romans 7:1-6 "Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that THE LAW HAS AUTHORITY OVER SOMEONBE ONLY AS LONG AS THEY LIVE ? 2For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.4So, my brothers and sisters, YOU ALSO DIED TO THE LAW THROUGH THE BODY OF CHRUIST through the body of Christ, that you might BELONG TO ANOTHER TO HIM WHO WAS RAISED FROM THE DEAD, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[SUP]a[/SUP] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code."

this is why paul teaches believers died with Jesus to the Law of moses. so that we are released from the first covenant, and bound to the Gospel. the old was death to all sinners, the new is salvation from that curse for those who repent and believe the gospel. Jesus doesn't teach us to obey the mosaic Law, He doesn't teach us to NOT obey it either. Jesus Brought a whole new message, the Kongdom of God was preached from matthew on. the Law is part of preparing the world for a savior and a new spirit that came through Jesus death and resurrection, and also as much through His ministry.

The Law is good, righteous and holy, it was weakened by our nature of sin, and the enemy deceived us and put us to death through the good Law. because of this, Jesus came to destroy the devils work. Jesus came and took that death we earned, and gave us the eternal Life HE earned. Then He gave us the new Word of God which is Hois gospel of the Kingdom, His words of spirit and Life. the Law is flesh

if the law ended, why does Jesus not teach this?
why would Jesus constantly teach against the pharisees adding to the law and being hypocrites, this would make no sense if that law was on its way out anyway?
why did Jesus tell His followers to follow Him, when Jesus followed the law?
why do we tell each other Christ is our example and that example obeyed every law?

"For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

are heaven and earth still here?

 

[garee]

i disagree. the bibles words are all true, but they are not all law. its very specific. whatever came from God through moses to the isrealites, is law.

It came to whosoever has ears to hear His the words of His Spirit. It not subject to change.

It would seem you are looking at the word law a little differently. There is more than one way to describe law. The perfect law of the Lord performs the work of the Lord that is appointed to us. His perfect law is what quickens our soul giving us simply one his understanding

That is no theory as an oral tradition of men.Where there is no law there is no trespass.

Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

His word is truth as a law not subject to change. His moral commandments are law not subject to change. There are no theories in the bible, the book of law.

In the beginning God said; let there be and by work of God’s faith there was .It is the first law of faith, the law we must believe and not a philosophical theory of men.

The last law is found at the end of the book of law, in Revelation 22. It commands us not to add or subtract from the whole law found in the book of law, the bible . There are no laws missing. What came to Moses was law just as what came to any prophet. Not one proclaimed a theory of men as I heard it through the grape vine..

The commandment to believe upon the Lord Jesus is a law not subject to change. No faith no change.

There is the law of the spiritual seed (one) of the word it must be planted on good soil representing the heart that God makes soft through the water of the word. It is not just a good theory it must be obeyed.

there is a "book of the Law" there are at least 400 seperate individual commands that make up the law of moses. Jesus changed everything with the gospel.

I am not taking away form those laws.

Jesus fulfilled the law of faith by His work of faith The law is still in effect to those who know not God. Heaven and earth will pass away before one jot or tittle is removed. It will vanish when the new order comes into view in the new heavens and earth..

Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

The bible, God’s law book has many more laws than 400. God does not number his laws, or people will go as far as 400 and disregard the law of liberty, as the law of faith.

James 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Romans 7:23-25
King James Version(KJV)

23.)But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

24.)O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?


25.)I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

 

[followjesus]

if the law ended, why does Jesus not teach this?
why would Jesus constantly teach against the pharisees adding to the law and being hypocrites, this would make no sense if that law was on its way out anyway?
why did Jesus tell His followers to follow Him, when Jesus followed the law?
why do we tell each other Christ is our example and that example obeyed every law?

"For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

are heaven and earth still here?

it is taught in scripture here you go

romans 7: 1-6" Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.4So, my brothers and sisters, YOU ALSO DIED TO THE LAW THROUGH THE BODY OF CHRIST, that you might BELONG TO ANOTHER, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear FRUIT FOR GOD. 5For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[SUP]a[/SUP] the SINFUL PASSIONS AROUSED BY LAW were at work IN US, so that we bore fruit for death. 6But now, by DYING TO what once bound us, we have been REALEASED FROM THE LAW so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code."


as i said, when Jesus died, the Law of moses authority ends for those who have faith in Him. to be in Christ, removes the Law because we are baptized into His death, and the Law of moses authprity ends at death. eternal Life, eternal condemnation ISNT taught in the mosaic Law. its about the realm of earth, our lives Here. The Gospel is spirit, it deals with eterrnal Life, and eternal damnation. Notice How the Law is all about obeying physical rules and regulations ? sacrificial rules, cleansing rites, purification rituals, religious observance of holy days, new moons and festivals. and its blessings are prosperity and blessing, success, and the promised land in the Laws covenant is the nation of isreal a pgysical Land God promised to abrahams descendants.

genesis 15: 12-21 "As the sun was setting, Abram fell into a deep sleep, and a thick and dreadful darkness came over him. 13Then the Lord said to him, “Know for certain that for four hundred years your descendants will be strangers in a country not their own and that they will be enslaved and mistreated there. 14But I will punish the nation they serve as slaves, and afterward they will come out with great possessions. 15You, however, will go to your ancestors in peace and be buried at a good old age. 16In the fourth generation your descendants will come back here, for the sin of the Amorites has not yet reached its full measure.”17When the sun had set and darkness had fallen, a smoking firepot with a blazing torch appeared and passed between the pieces. 18On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram and said, “To your descendants I give this land, from the Wadi[SUP]e[/SUP] of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates— 19the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, 20Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaites, 21Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites and Jebusites.”



The first covenant was delivered through moses, and fulfilled in Jesus Christ coming.

hebrews 9:15- 18 "For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.In the case of a will, it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living. This is why even the first covenant was not put into effect without blood."



The law of moses is Judaisms regulations. The gospel is the Gospel of Gods Kingdom. Gods Kingdom is eternal Life, the mosaic Law was earthly Life. do not misunderstand me, the law stands even Now, but NOT for those in Christ, they are not under its authoeirt because they have died through Jesus Christ to the Law of moses, when you die, the Laws regulations end. The gospel on the other hand is eternal. " Heaven and earth will disappear, But my words will never pass away" "whoever keeps my word will never see death" " whoever follows me will have the light of life" " whoever hears my word and puts it into practice is a wise man whos house will stand the storm" Jesus is again NOT the Law, He teaches the eternal Kingdom of God, eternal Life, heavenly Kingdom, spiritual powers and principalities....the old testament is earthly things, things fading away, the gospel will never end, the Kingdom of Jesus Christ will not fade or fall from its place. the law of moses' authority ends when a person repents and Lives in Christ, because we died with Him

 

[followjesus]

Romans 7:23-25
King James Version(KJV)

23.)But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

24.)O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?


25.)I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Romans 7:12"So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good."

romans 7:20-25 "Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is SIN LIVING IN ME that does it.SO I FIND THIS LAW at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I DELIGHT IN GODS LAW; but I see ANOTHER LAW AT WORK IN ME, WAGING WAR against the law of my mind and MAKING ME A PRISONER OF THE LAW OF SIN at work WITHIN ME. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to GODS LAW, but in my sinful nature[SUP]d[/SUP] a slave to THE LAW OF SIN." ( Paul is speaking of 2 different laws, Gods Law, and the other law in man, the law of sin. ( the sinful nature)

There has never been anythiong wrong with Gods Law, the issue was sin in mans heart. when paul says we are not under law, its speaking of the law of moses, but the law of sin is the issue, not the law of moses its perfect. man needed transformation through Gods mercy and provision, we are being transformed into the image of Jesus, who is the image of God. the gospel is Gods law, made perfect. to do that Jesus had to die and remove the first covenant because it lacked mercy, and all were sinners, therefore sinners without mercy were already dead. But thank God Jesus brought Grace and truth. the Law of sin living in us is what romans 8 is about, not living apart from the mosaic law...the mosaic law is for everyone outside of Christ, it is still valid to the entire world, Just not to those who have died with Christ

 

[jaybird88]

it is taught in scripture here you go

romans 7: 1-6" Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.4So, my brothers and sisters, YOU ALSO DIED TO THE LAW THROUGH THE BODY OF CHRIST, that you might BELONG TO ANOTHER, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear FRUIT FOR GOD. 5For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[SUP]a[/SUP] the SINFUL PASSIONS AROUSED BY LAW were at work IN US, so that we bore fruit for death. 6But now, by DYING TO what once bound us, we have been REALEASED FROM THE LAW so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code."

i see nothing in these scriptures of the law of Moses over and done with. looks more like wishful thinking to me when the concept contradicts what Jesus and James taught. this theology only works when you ignore whats in plain sight, such as the questions i posted that you , umm, ignored.

what do you think Paul means when he says that we might bear fruit for the Most High? if your fruit is telling you to teach others the law has ended and Jesus teachings gives stern warnings to those that teach others not to follow the Law, you might want to re think your views.
Paul is a good teacher, but at times hard to understand, if you think you see him teaching something that can not be confirmed by Jesus, you probably are misunderstanding it.