Woman Pastor Explains Her Abortion

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Angela_grace

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You guys sound like Jonah who was angry about what wasn't his.
You created nothing and are letting that escape you and are grabbing onto a every kind of evil thought when the Creator of both in the story does not have your same views.. This happens when we forget the big picture.. Mercy is shown to those who show it.. we get what we give... I'm surprised folks toy with that knowing God doesn't speak idle words
Jonah was not willing to go tell a sinful nation that what they were doing was sinful in the eyes of God and that they needed to repent from their sin. If they repented God would spare them. Jonah did not like this because he thought they were undeserving of a new start. While I and others on here are saying that abortion is a sin. We are not saying that those who commit abortion should be robbed of the opportunity to repent and be saved. We are doing exactly what Jonah did not want to do.
 
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Just some more general background on the person and churches and other issues to provide some context ...

... one reason the installation at Riverside Church last week felt so special. In that ceremony, Ms. Butler formally took on the role of leader of one of the nation’s most prominent liberal Protestant churches. And there were no wide-eyed stares, she said, no raised eyebrows, no gasps of disbelief.

Instead, there were hugs and handshakes from congregants and an outpouring of emails and phones calls from female ministers and seminarians, all applauding the rise of Ms. Butler, a 44-year-old single mother, to one of the most venerable pulpits in the country.

In Washington, she presided over a church with about 300 members, 12 employees and a $1 million budget. Riverside, by contrast, has roughly 1,900 members, about 150 employees and a $14 million budget. Her salary is $250,00...
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/10/1...ev-dr-amy-k-butler-with-hugs-and-support.html

Amy lives in Manhattan and obviously her kids are much cooler than she is ...


Rev. Dr. Amy Butler is the Senior Minister of The Riverside Church in New York City. Prior to this call, Pastor Amy served as Senior Pastor of Calvary Baptist Church in Washington, D.C. Pastor Amy holds degrees from Baylor University (BA ‘91, MA ‘96); The International Baptist Theological Seminary (BDiv ‘95); and Wesley Theological Seminary (DMin ‘09).

About Amy

Modeled after a 13th-century gothic cathedral in Chartres, France, the Riverside Church is an interracial, interdenominational and international church built in Morningside Heights by philanthropist John D. Rockefeller Jr. in 1927. The 2,400-member church has a rich tradition of providing a forum for important civic and spiritual leaders. Past speakers include Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Bill Clinton, the Dalai Lama, Fidel Castro, Archbishop Desmond Tutu and Nelson Mandela. The church plays host to music performances, including Sunday recitals of the Laura Spelman Rockefeller Memorial Carillon, several choirs and the Handbell Choir, plus theater performances at the Riverside Theatre. Tours of the church are also offered.
The Riverside Church New York City | The Official Guide to New York City

Lots of other media coverage on doctrine, philosophy, religions, education, adoption, race, LGBTQ, divorce and etc. Just trying to get a view of who and what We are looking at.

See also: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...es-evangelicals-mainline-Protestants/?0p19G=c and etc., etc., etc.

The way we are brought up, the company we keep, the goals we seek, often set the stage for the decisions we make ... 'you must be born again'
 
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250K for a baby-killing nonbeliever. Not too shabby.
 
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OBSCENE!
Both this so called church and this so called Christian/Pastor.

Did I tell you I think this is OBSCENE?:mad:
 

PennEd

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You're new to CC and your ignorance shows it. Not only is PennEd very well read, but more importantly, he's one of greatest beacons of Christian light and love most people will ever see, and your condescending tone towards him has no place here or anywhere else. So you're an abortion apologist; I'm a sanctity-of-life apologist. Who do you think God sides with regarging this issue. Rhetorical question. Welcome to CC.
Very kind words brother. I'm humbled by them, and truly feel the same way about you, and so many others here.

This is a sensitive, and passionate topic, and very difficult to discuss civilly.
 

Dude653

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Jonah was not willing to go tell a sinful nation that what they were doing was sinful in the eyes of God and that they needed to repent from their sin. If they repented God would spare them. Jonah did not like this because he thought they were undeserving of a new start. While I and others on here are saying that abortion is a sin. We are not saying that those who commit abortion should be robbed of the opportunity to repent and be saved. We are doing exactly what Jonah did not want to do.
I concur.. you know why people are abandoning Christianity? Because of the very mentality we are witnessing on this thread. Why would anyone want to be part of the religion that seems to be more about being hateful then being kind and loving
 
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HisHolly

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Jonah was not willing to go tell a sinful nation that what they were doing was sinful in the eyes of God and that they needed to repent from their sin. If they repented God would spare them. Jonah did not like this because he thought they were undeserving of a new start. While I and others on here are saying that abortion is a sin. We are not saying that those who commit abortion should be robbed of the opportunity to repent and be saved. We are doing exactly what Jonah did not want to do.
I wasn't talking about when he was told to go to Nineveh.
While I appreciate your response and agree to a certain extent, there are others who speak with no compassion.
 
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I wasn't talking about when he was told to go to Nineveh.
While I appreciate your response and agree to a certain extent, there are others who speak with no compassion.

I think the strong comments in this thread are warranted because this woman is a minister and is defending abortion. She has a position of authority and is also in a position to counsel other young women ( who attend her church). Once members of the clergy start to redefine morality or sin they can lead many other Christians astray. I don't think that these members in this thread would be responding so strongly if this story was about a scared teenage girl who had the abortion and later repented of it. This woman publicly defended late term abortions. It is her defence of abortion that is most disturbing and dangerous. We should be forgiving and merciful, but we should never rewrite morality to excuse our actions or the actions of others. There cannot be true forgiveness of sins if there is never any admission of guilt or wrongdoing
 
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HisHolly

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I think the strong comments in this thread are warranted because this woman is a minister and is defending abortion. She has a position of authority and is also in a position to counsel other young women ( who attend her church). Once members of the clergy start to redefine morality or sin they can lead many other Christians astray. I don't think that these members in this thread would be responding so strongly if this story was about a scared teenage girl who had the abortion and later repented of it. This woman publicly defended late term abortions. It is her defence of abortion that is most disturbing
To go on and on about it makes Christians look stupid. If we believe what we believe then let's display the Bible in its entirety.. That's what they are calling her to do.. We all have responsibility not just her.
 
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PinkDiamond

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To go on and on about it makes Christians look stupid. If we believe what we believe then let's display the Bible in its entirety.. That's what they are calling her to do.. We all have responsibility not just her.
I agree that we have a responsibility. One thing to consider: history has a way of condemning our apathy. Subsequent generations may be educated on the rampant atrocity of abortion that occurred within the US and Canada. There are going to be a lot of Christians that have a guilt for never taking a stand against the genocide of the unborn.

Christians looked stupid when they turned a blind eye to slavery in the US ( in some cases, many ministers in the south supported slavery from their pulpits. They twisted scriptures to support slavery). Many Christians in Nazi Germany supported Hitler and didn't do anything to help the Jews ( Many did however and risked their lives to do so). We always run the risk of looking "stupid" when we take a stand and contradict the social norm of our day. I don't condemn this woman for being faced with a horrible decision and choosing abortion. I don't agree with that choice, but I can feel compassion for her. However, once she took a public stand and used her position of authority within the church to justify abortion, she became no different than the ministers that justified slavery during the 1800's. She chose to make her abortion public to justify abortion now that the issue of abortion is under scrutiny once more and took a political stance. She is among those who are trying to keep Roe vs Wade on the books. Christians have every right to find her defence of abortion reprehensible. We can worry about looking stupid to society or we can do what is right.
 
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HisHolly

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I agree that we have a responsibility. One thing to consider: history has a way of condemning our apathy. Subsequent generations may be educated on the rampant atrocity of abortion that occurred within the US and Canada. There are going to be a lot of Christians that have a guilt for never taking a stand against the genocide of the unborn.

Christians looked stupid when they turned a blind eye to slavery in the US ( in some cases, many ministers in the south supported slavery from their pulpits. They twisted scriptures to support slavery). Many Christians in Nazi Germany supported Hitler and didn't do anything to help the Jews ( Many did however and risked their lives to do so). We always run the risk of looking "stupid" when we take a stand and contradict the social norm of our day. I don't condemn this woman for being faced with a horrible decision and choosing abortion. I don't agree with that choice, but I can feel compassion for her. However, once she took a public stand and used her position of authority within the church to justify abortion, she became no different than the ministers that justified slavery during the 1800's. She chose to make her abortion public to justify abortion now that the issue of abortion is under scrutiny once more and took a political stance. She is among those who are trying to keep Roe vs Wade on the books. Christians have every right to find her defence of abortion reprehensible. We can worry about looking stupid to society or we can do what is right.
To go on and on is right?
Actually to be an example is important. Mercy, compassion, looking as a condemning judge does nothing to help a novice or an unbeliever.
Stand for truth but not in self righteousness. It makes us look like we are as clueless as the rest.
 
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Why would anyone want to be part of the religion that seems to be -- overcome with godless idiots who defend murdering unborn children.
Fixed it for you.
 
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I think the strong comments in this thread are warranted because this woman is a minister and is defending abortion. She has a position of authority and is also in a position to counsel other young women ( who attend her church). Once members of the clergy start to redefine morality or sin they can lead many other Christians astray. I don't think that these members in this thread would be responding so strongly if this story was about a scared teenage girl who had the abortion and later repented of it. This woman publicly defended late term abortions. It is her defence of abortion that is most disturbing and dangerous. We should be forgiving and merciful, but we should never rewrite morality to excuse our actions or the actions of others. There cannot be true forgiveness of sins if there is never any admission of guilt or wrongdoing
The wisdom shared in the above post is straight from God!
 
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HisHolly

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People here are no more wrong than her. People label sin.
Let's get all disobeying on the table to rid the body of it.. not just what is thought to be a no no bc it was seen by more.. miss it at one point you miss it all..
Open your eyes..
 
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To go on and on about it makes Christians look stupid. If we believe what we believe then let's display the Bible in its entirety.. That's what they are calling her to do.. We all have responsibility not just her.
Championing abortion makes Christians look stupid.
 
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People here are no more wrong than her. People label sin.
Let's get all disobeying on the table to rid the body of it.. not just what is thought to be a no no bc it was seen by more.. miss it at one point you miss it all..
Open your eyes..
Again wrong. I never murdered a baby. Don't get it twisted.
 

Angela_grace

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People here are no more wrong than her. People label sin.
Let's get all disobeying on the table to rid the body of it.. not just what is thought to be a no no bc it was seen by more.. miss it at one point you miss it all..
Open your eyes..
You're right lying is just as much a sin as murdering. But to say that abortion is not a sin is wrong. To say that it is right for someone to have an abortion is wrong.
 
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HisHolly

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My point has gone over heads..

You say I support, I didn't.