Woman Pastor Explains Her Abortion

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Angela_grace

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Have you considered the woman in this article has another child that needs it's mother, and also a husband?
Is God not the giver of life? Shouldn't He be the one who decides who lives and who dies? And if you think about it she did consider her life (her being a mother and wife, and pastor) more important than the child's. Instead of allowing God to choose the outcome she chose, thinking she knew best. But God is able to see the whole picture while we are not
 
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Is God not the giver of life? Shouldn't He be the one who decides who lives and who dies? And if you think about it she did consider her life (her being a mother and wife, and pastor) more important than the child's. Instead of allowing God to choose the outcome she chose, thinking she knew best. But God is able to see the whole picture while we are not
I agree 100%. I just can not understand how a professing Christian can make such a decision.
 

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Is God not the giver of life? Shouldn't He be the one who decides who lives and who dies? And if you think about it she did consider her life (her being a mother and wife, and pastor) more important than the child's. Instead of allowing God to choose the outcome she chose, thinking she knew best. But God is able to see the whole picture while we are not
Yes, she chose and I don't believe she chose out of arrogance but from pain. Whether or not she made the right choice is between her and God and her family.
 

Angela_grace

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Yes, she chose and I don't believe she chose out of arrogance but from pain. Whether or not she made the right choice is between her and God and her family.
So you are saying it is right to kill an innocent baby your own flesh and blood who has done absolutely nothing wrong just so you can live? How does one justify that? The bible says, "a greater friend has no man than this that he lay down his life for his friends."

I would like to say that I don't generally continue arguing my view on an issue because I see no reason to argue with a fellow believer and stir up strife among us. But we, as christian need to be firm on this issue. Nothing justifies taking the life of an innocent child. If the church, followers of Jesus, is not strong with their beliefs how can we expect the world to change theirs?
 

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I'm not arguing, I'm saying from a perspective as a father and husband and I don't know what the right answer is. I've never been in that situation and I sure I hope I'm never put there.
 
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So you are saying it is right to kill an innocent baby your own flesh and blood who has done absolutely nothing wrong just so you can live? How does one justify that? The bible says, "a greater friend has no man than this that he lay down his life for his friends."

I would like to say that I don't generally continue arguing my view on an issue because I see no reason to argue with a fellow believer and stir up strife among us. But we, as christian need to be firm on this issue. Nothing justifies taking the life of an innocent child. If the church, followers of Jesus, is not strong with their beliefs how can we expect the world to change theirs?
We need more young people with your wisdom and convection in our churches.
May God bless you young lady.
 
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I'm not arguing, I'm saying from a perspective as a father and husband and I don't know what the right answer is. I've never been in that situation and I sure I hope I'm never put there.
The right answer is always God's will, not hers, not yours, not mind.
Taking a child's life is just wrong. There is never a just reason. NEVER!
 

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Yes, she chose and I don't believe she chose out of arrogance but from pain. Whether or not she made the right choice is between her and God and her family.
That's really what it boils down to. If she made a mistake, I don't think it was malicious. I don't see a reason to discredit her relationship with Christ. If she is a true believer, she'll be forgiven by the blood of Jesus Christ.
 

Angela_grace

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I'm not arguing, I'm saying from a perspective as a father and husband and I don't know what the right answer is. I've never been in that situation and I sure I hope I'm never put there.
Sorry, I guess arguing was not the right word. Defending or explaining would be better suited words. And I hope you, I, or anyone will ever have to be put in that situation. But if one is ever in that situation killing the life an innocent baby should never cross our minds.
 

Angela_grace

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That's really what it boils down to. If she made a mistake, I don't think it was malicious. I don't see a reason to discredit her relationship with Christ. If she is a true believer, she'll be forgiven by the blood of Jesus Christ.
Yes, God's grace covers all our sin. But she was sinful in killing her unborn child.
 

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Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart. —Jeremiah 1:5

He didn’t kill me in the womb, with my mother as my grave. —Jeremiah 20:17
 
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I was listening to some music today as I was trying to do one of my favorite tasks which is organizing everything and this song came on and it made me think of all the parents in this world and this thread. Parents: If you know what you know now and how it would feel to be loved by a child and watch them take their first steps, listen to their cry, see them off on their first day of kindergarten, you know experience all their firsts. Then imagine if you or your wife chose to abort this child?

How could anyone rob themselves of experiencing such a cherished time of their life by aborting a baby? It saddens me how many women choose to end a pregnancy via abortion before experiencing what a gift it is to be a parent. There are so many women out there that cannot get pregnant and would do anything to love and care for a child and just because one person may not be ready for motherhood you are robbing both of them from experiencing lifetime of love and happiness and God is in the miracle making business and if you pray in faith and declare all of his promises God can make the most impossible situations possible :)

[video=youtube;lrXmHaBP-A4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrXmHaBP-A4[/video]
 
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I never made a personal attack on Penned, nor was I trying to be condescending. If he feels I was, I'll gladly apologize as that wasn't the tone I had when I responded. Now then, my being new to CC doesn't change the fact this pastor made no mention of an "overriding" reason or the fact she addressed other factors for why she and her family made this decision. I objected to his assumption, reading into her words and ignoring certain portions of her post, or whatever misunderstand he had that led him to write what he did.

I think God isn't on the side of assuming or knowing people's heart. Just as Penned, you're making an unfair assumption. His may have been by accident, yours is deliberate and shows your ignorance of my views. Ignorance isn't a bad word or an insult, it just means to be uninformed or misinformed. I'm not an "abortion apologist", in fact, I never made a personal stand about the issue of abortion. I only said it's unfair to say that "the overriding issue" was something that the pastor didn't say. She deliberately and explicitly stated her reasons which included more than the "overriding" issue he stated. I even said he has a case if he said God could step in and save her daughter, but he doesn't have a case in labeling "overriding" reasons on her behalf unless she explicitly stated so (which she didn't).

Thanks you for the kind welcome.
There is no reason for an ordained Christian minister to murder an unborn child. She's a disgusting excuse for a pastor who has no faith in God, the Great Physician. Do I sound harsh? Do I sound judgmental? Do I have a plank in my eye? You better believe the answer is yes to those questions and I make no apologies for it when it comes to defending the sanctity of life. But I digress; she's the epitome of elegance in the eyes of godless liberals. That's my beef.
 
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You guys sound like Jonah who was angry about what wasn't his.
You created nothing and are letting that escape you and are grabbing onto a every kind of evil thought when the Creator of both in the story does not have your same views.. This happens when we forget the big picture.. Mercy is shown to those who show it.. we get what we give... I'm surprised folks toy with that knowing God doesn't speak idle words
 
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Have you considered the woman in this article has another child that needs it's mother, and also a husband?
The media has good things to say about Pastor Butler; she took over from pastor Coffin, received degrees from Baylor and Wesley and ...

A mother of three children ages 16, 17 and 20, Butler went through a painful divorce while at Calvary and wrote bluntly about her own challenges and doubts earlier in her tenure. Tension had risen so high at the church that Butler hired a professional coach to help.


The coach first asked her about her own relationship with God.

“The question hit hard and deep,” Butler wrote last January in her biweekly column for ABP News/Herald, an independent news service of the Associated Baptist Press. “I immediately responded: ‘I don’t think I believe in God anymore.’ ”

The coach replied: “Don’t ever say that again. You’re the pastor, and that kind of comment is not appropriate in church.”

“I heard his message loud and clear: Church should never be a place where you ask questions, and it should certainly never be a place where you wonder out loud if God even exists,” she wrote.

“After that, I fired him.”

More on pastor Amy
...https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...0c1482-eeab-11e3-b84b-3393a45b80f1_story.html
 
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You guys sound like Jonah who was angry about what wasn't his.
You created nothing and are letting that escape you and are grabbing onto a every kind of evil thought when the Creator of both in the story does not have your same views.. This happens when we forget the big picture.. Mercy is shown to those who show it.. we get what we give... I'm surprised folks toy with that knowing God doesn't speak idle words
And our good pastor showed no mercy.
 
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Tension had risen so high at the church that Butler hired a professional coach to help.

The coach first asked her about her own relationship with God.

“The question hit hard and deep,” Butler wrote last January in her biweekly column for ABP News/Herald, an independent news service of the Associated Baptist Press. “I immediately responded: ‘I don’t think I believe in God anymore.’ ”

The coach replied: “Don’t ever say that again. You’re the pastor, and that kind of comment is not appropriate in church.”

“I heard his message loud and clear: Church should never be a place where you ask questions, and it should certainly never be a place where you wonder out loud if God even exists,” she wrote.

“After that, I fired him.”
And there you have it. I stand by my words.
 
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And our good pastor showed no mercy.

Here is a song sung for many years by a friend of mine, Brian Free. It is a song that makes tears roll down my face every time I hear it. Its called "Only God Knows" written by Sheldon Mencer


She will never see the beauty of a sunrise
Nor pick a flower blowing in the wind

She will never climb up to sit on Daddy's knee
Never spend a summer day with her best friend
She will never bake cookies with Mommy
Never know what it's like to be sixteen
Never share her love with that special someone
Never have the family of her childhood dreams


He will never celebrate his first birthday

You will never hear him call your name out loud
He will never run across the grassy meadow
Nor will he be the little boy that makes you proud
He will never go fishing with Daddy
Nor have the joy of buying his first car
He will never get to father his own family
Or hear his little boy wish upon a star


Day by day and one by one, we're killing our future
By the thousands every day across the land
Can you tell me what has happened to America?
Is there anyone who dares to take a stand?
We have the blood of little children on our hands

But in Heaven God is picking up the pieces
Of the countless treasures we have thrown away
While slowly He's reshaping and re-molding
Those precious little helpless lumps of clay
So lovingly, He holds them in His hands
Only God knows, just what they could have been.