Scientifically Proving the Existence of God

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posthuman

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without looking at the video, this man believes in multiple Gods.Period
without looking at the video either, the video is not about theology of any kind.
it's about modern physics.

Bill Nye ain't exactly a Christian theologian either -- come to think of it, what sound gospel preacher exists that one can go to to learn about science? you don't even think outer space exists, iirc, Bladerunner -- so i don't think i'd be going to you to get a quick rundown of the life cycle of stars or a deeper understanding of subatomic structure. but thanks.
 
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BeyondET

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Whenever I do my research, I let the Bible define what a Word means, rather than my own understanding.

Take the Word 'Dust' for example.

We think of dirt on the ground or something.

But how does the Bible define the word Dust?

Genesis 13:16
"And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered"


Did you catch that?

Dust is Seed.

Or in other Words... Dust is DNA.

Think of the Dust you have around your house. Most of it is dead skin and so forth.

It's literally DNA.

Now then... when God formed Man of the 'Dust of the ground', what was He really forming Him out of?

:eek:
Hey buddy welcome to CC :)

I'm enjoying the thread on science n God, I agree with your statement on DNA and IMO things are even more finite than DNA. The basic building blocks to even DNA starts with elements thus Elements, DNA, Dust, Seed, simplified even farther.
In the beginning the Heavens/Hydrogen and Earth/Helium with there be a lite amount of lithium,
In the beginning can be finite farther as well, photons,neutrinos,anti-neutrinos,
electrons,positrons,protons,neutrons.
 

JaumeJ

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This thread has no business being posted in a faith-based forum.

We, all who believe Jesus C¨hrist, are considered fools and foolish by empericists in that we believe and hold close to things unseen.

The exisstence of God, Yahweh, cannot be proven or approached empirically, and by our own standards should not be.

Anyone who wishes to prove the existence of God should talk to Him face-to-face as a scientist or as an intellectual endeavoring to touch and see Him, but he should never ask His children to be tempted to do that wich is unseelmly for ayone who is a child of the Most High God.

If posts were rated on the 1 to ten, this one is a 0, sorry. God bless you and seek to understand the manner and character of faith.
 
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BeyondET

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This thread has no business being posted in a faith-based forum.

We, all who believe Jesus C¨hrist, are considered fools and foolish by empericists in that we believe and hold close to things unseen.

The exisstence of God, Yahweh, cannot be proven or approached empirically, and by our own standards should not be.

Anyone who wishes to prove the existence of God should talk to Him face-to-face as a scientist or as an intellectual endeavoring to touch and see Him, but he should never ask His children to be tempted to do that wich is unseelmly for ayone who is a child of the Most High God.

If posts were rated on the 1 to ten, this one is a 0, sorry. God bless you and seek to understand the manner and character of faith.
Its all good Brother this thread is probably not your cup of tea, Faith is believing not only the physical bible speaks but that God the spiritual bible speaks to people who are scientist as well. I know that some may think it's from the devil these post of things though others here at CC that see it as a God to the cognitive human intellectual that endeavors to know knowledge of creation.

To say the exsistence of God cannot be proven or approached empirically(observed) would discredit faith to begin with. Did your faith come about by just knowing the bible teachings? or did your faith come about by a life experience with God that isn't written in the bible? If the answer is both than I'd say each person can have that same experience in different ways just because the experience or knowledge one has gain doesn't mean that same experience and knowledge applys to all.
 

JaumeJ

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You asked.

My faith came after my heart was broken. It was broken because of the plight of people everywhere, even though I personally has experienced heartbreak and oppression much of my life, instead of liiking at my own plight I looked at that of others.

Feeling destitute of hope, I locked myself in a room, I shook my fistto the heavens and said, "You are Who you are. If you are good and there is a good outcome to all of this, I want to know you and maybe even serve you. But if you are not, destroy me now for I am better than You are." I was determined not to eat or leave this room until I had a response.

I fell into a deep sleep. A dream was given me which answered my petition in part.

The following morning when I awoke, nothing seemed quite as it had been before, nothing seemed truly real. A car going down the street seemed foreign to my comprehension, yet I knewwhat it was.

Crossing the Quad at my university, I was talking to the One who anwered my prayer in the ight previous. I was saying in my heart "Man is evil. Man is awful. Man is wicked. Waita a minute, I am a man too, YOU are IT, You are ll." Suddenly everything turned to light and that light entered into me. I was led, quite literally, to an opened Bible in the back of an on campus coffe shop. It was bound in light blue, so I had no clue as to what it was. I picked it up, and I began to read , adn I found myself saying that is true, tat is right, wow, that is fantastic. I looked to the top of the page, it was a wring named Isaiah. It was teh Old Testament.

From that moment I could not put it down. I read Isaiah, then I read Revelation followed by all the rest of the Old and New Testaments, and as I read i realized it was only confirming what the Holy Spirit entering me had already taught me. Other tudents would come up to me in the Union and ask mea bout what I had jsut read. I found a card with what I had just read and highlighted in teh bathroom tucked into the frame of the mirror.. The gift of knowledge came to me on many occasions when sharingt the Word with others..

I continued reading the Word, quitting my classes two months before my graduation. Three of the years previous I had been on the DÇeans List, so my academic achievement was not wanting. I went to the Rocky Mountains and camped out all the summer and two more insucing jsut to keep reading the Bible. Noting in it about Salvation was truly new to me because when the Holy Spirit entered me on campus I understood the message that everything is going to be just fine.

God is not proveable, except perhaps in the sense that if we trace what science knows back we come to a place where it seems there must have been "something" that cause that origen..... I can tell yo without any compunction that no man can prove anything about Elohim, for He and His ways are not the ways of me.

Psa 100:3 Know ye that the LORD he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.

Its all good Brother this thread is probably not your cup of tea, Faith is believing not only the physical bible speaks but that God the spiritual bible speaks to people who are scientist as well. I know that some may think it's from the devil these post of things though others here at CC that see it as a God to the cognitive human intellectual that endeavors to know knowledge of creation.

To say the exsistence of God cannot be proven or approached empirically(observed) would discredit faith to begin with. Did your faith come about by just knowing the bible teachings? or did your faith come about by a life experience with God that isn't written in the bible? If the answer is both than I'd say each person can have that same experience in different ways just because the experience or knowledge one has gain doesn't mean that same experience and knowledge applys to all.
 

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Ro 8:24-25, For we are saved by hope; but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

V 25, But if we hope for what we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

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If we could prove that God exists scientifically,

Then we would not need faith.

Jesus will prove that God is real at His appearing.

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I believe in love,

I believe that God is love,

I believe that God Loves us and sent His Son to die and rise from the dead for us.

That is the "proof" for me.

I wait with faith for His appearing.
 
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BeyondET

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You asked.

My faith came after my heart was broken. It was broken because of the plight of people everywhere, even though I personally has experienced heartbreak and oppression much of my life, instead of liiking at my own plight I looked at that of others.

Feeling destitute of hope, I locked myself in a room, I shook my fistto the heavens and said, "You are Who you are. If you are good and there is a good outcome to all of this, I want to know you and maybe even serve you. But if you are not, destroy me now for I am better than You are." I was determined not to eat or leave this room until I had a response.

I fell into a deep sleep. A dream was given me which answered my petition in part.

The following morning when I awoke, nothing seemed quite as it had been before, nothing seemed truly real. A car going down the street seemed foreign to my comprehension, yet I knewwhat it was.

Crossing the Quad at my university, I was talking to the One who anwered my prayer in the ight previous. I was saying in my heart "Man is evil. Man is awful. Man is wicked. Waita a minute, I am a man too, YOU are IT, You are ll." Suddenly everything turned to light and that light entered into me. I was led, quite literally, to an opened Bible in the back of an on campus coffe shop. It was bound in light blue, so I had no clue as to what it was. I picked it up, and I began to read , adn I found myself saying that is true, tat is right, wow, that is fantastic. I looked to the top of the page, it was a wring named Isaiah. It was teh Old Testament.

From that moment I could not put it down. I read Isaiah, then I read Revelation followed by all the rest of the Old and New Testaments, and as I read i realized it was only confirming what the Holy Spirit entering me had already taught me. Other tudents would come up to me in the Union and ask mea bout what I had jsut read. I found a card with what I had just read and highlighted in teh bathroom tucked into the frame of the mirror.. The gift of knowledge came to me on many occasions when sharingt the Word with others..

I continued reading the Word, quitting my classes two months before my graduation. Three of the years previous I had been on the DÇeans List, so my academic achievement was not wanting. I went to the Rocky Mountains and camped out all the summer and two more insucing jsut to keep reading the Bible. Noting in it about Salvation was truly new to me because when the Holy Spirit entered me on campus I understood the message that everything is going to be just fine.

God is not proveable, except perhaps in the sense that if we trace what science knows back we come to a place where it seems there must have been "something" that cause that origen..... I can tell yo without any compunction that no man can prove anything about Elohim, for He and His ways are not the ways of me.

Psa 100:3 Know ye that the LORD he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.
Amen Brother that was a good read :)

what stood out for me was the mentioning of a Car, a device made by man produce in a factory using math, science and engineering though it was from this experience you had with the Car that lead to a more deeper spiritual understanding through a metal car with rubber tires that is propelled by burning fossil fuels that isn't written in the bible as such, a chariot would probably be similar in respect to a car nonetheless God used this experience the Car to open a door to more knowledge about God and how He exist in your life.

the bible doesn't teach His full design of "creation and process" in which it exist in our universe but just some basic steps in the creation process days 1-6. Surely the basic method to this IMO involves mathematics, sciences, engineering. Like the experience that you had some people have experiences that are of natural creation and when that happens to a person IMO God reveals somethings of natural creation design to that person so they can better understand things of exsistence in the physical.
 
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one thing you don t give, is ware did your logic or understanding comes. (modern humans). so an educated guess would be from an other human. the next question would be ware did that human, that taught, you get his understanding from.
schools and uni have many subject. but ware did they get the information form that taught you.

the reason science can not answer, most questions, without using an equation is they only know in part. and with there reasoning, your meant to use you mind and eyes to see what they are saying. (humans)

.20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuseRomans 1

and the same things were given to the prophets of the bible. yet he waked in blindness, to god s meaning , the bible calls this faith.

if some parts of science, that don t believe in a god, who gave them permission to continue in that area or field of science.(food for thought)

the plot thickens , because the prophets in this day and age, can see ware you got you building blocks from, and blinded the human race, with the world science research.

for example
just because science tests, that produced certain equation, you now live with.
it all came from looking at something they could already see. using the eye. ie telescope , microscope, (to name some.)

romans 1 the true author, of all understanding(a god through jesus christ)


18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth.

what are they hiding from you. lol
 
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one thing you don t give, is ware did your logic or understanding comes. (modern humans). so an educated guess would be from an other human. the next question would be ware did that human, that taught, you get his understanding from.
schools and uni have many subject. but ware did they get the information form that taught you.

the reason science can not answer, most questions, without using an equation is they only know in part. and with there reasoning, your meant to use you mind and eyes to see what they are saying. (humans)

.20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuseRomans 1

and the same things were given to the prophets of the bible. yet he waked in blindness, to god s meaning , the bible calls this faith.

if some parts of science, that don t believe in a god, who gave them permission to continue in that area or field of science.(food for thought)

the plot thickens , because the prophets in this day and age, can see ware you got you building blocks from, and blinded the human race, with the world science research.

for example
just because science tests, that produced certain equation, you now live with.
it all came from looking at something they could already see. using the eye. ie telescope , microscope, (to name some.)

romans 1 the true author, of all understanding(a god through jesus christ)


18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth.

what are they hiding from you. lol
The post reminds of the math science and engineering of God.

Isaiah 40:12
Who has measured the waters in the hollow of His hand, And marked off the heavens by the span, And calculated the dust of the earth by the measure, And weighed the mountains in a balance And the hills in a pair of scales?
 
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Base, I hope you are showing these things as patterns that God has created and not as literal. Gods Throne is not surrounded by 24 ribs...
We are the Body of Christ.

Every Christian knows this...

Romans 12:5
"So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another"


Heck, this theme is even in the Old Testament...

Judges 20:11
"So all the men of Israel were gathered against the city, knit together as one man"


I believe in a literal interpretation of Scripture as well as metaphorical, historical, etc.

How dare you attempt to take that away from me, or other members!

If Members of the Church can be body parts, then so can the Twenty Four Elders.

If they wish to be God's Ribs, then I'm all for it.

:)
 
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"they may indeed see but not perceive,
and may indeed hear but not understand,
Amen!

if a dragon, blows fire, how dose it produce the fire. (food for thought)
Ha!

I have a suggestion.

Anti-Electrons...



I'm surprised Nobody brought up Antimatter yet.

my point how could god, tell john, about a jet fighter plane, or a proton, when this had no value to him. ie who would he tell . lol

just some examples to how numbers ie 12x 12 have gave building blocks to the world of science .

i have always said start small and build. ie 12x12 look how the world have used 12 x12 in maths etc at it will open your eyes, to what god has said though revelation etc revelations was wrote around 80-120 ad
Nice.

:cool:
 
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God may have established shadows and types indeed, but the understanding of the Godhead is still God the Father, God the Word/Son, God the Holy Spirit. You may see it in the basic atomic structure (you also have subatomic particles)
It's both at the same time.

This is what I'm trying to open everyone's eyes to.

Pattern Recognition.

Learn it. Live it. Love it.

I'll say it again...

Pattern Recognition.

In other words, there is a point to why God does things the way he does.

Science is simply another Witness to this fact.

God loves having Witnesses, and multiple Witnesses is one of the ways he defeats Satan.

Think of all this being in a Court of Law one day. What if the New World Order tried to censor the Bible worldwide based on 'no evidence of God'? Think that isn't being attempted right now? Think again.

God backs up His word via Science, Math, Biology etc.

Why, because it's just like He says... we are without excuse for not believing. It's a type of Legality issue.

Ignorance of the Law et al.

Doesn't anyone here wonder why there are only Three in the Godhead? Why not Four?

Because there is a deep and profound reason having to do with how our very reality works!

God is trying to prepare your mind for the next life.

He's trying to give you a head start on understanding Him and His Creation fully.
 
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Amen!



Ha!

I have a suggestion.

Anti-Electrons...



I'm surprised Nobody brought up Antimatter yet.



Nice.

:cool:
Would anti- neutrino fit the bill?
 
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Hey buddy welcome to CC :)
I'm enjoying the thread on science n God, I agree with your statement on DNA and IMO things are even more finite than DNA. The basic building blocks to even DNA starts with elements thus Elements, DNA, Dust, Seed, simplified even farther.
In the beginning the Heavens/Hydrogen and Earth/Helium with there be a lite amount of lithium,
In the beginning can be finite farther as well, photons,neutrinos,anti-neutrinos,
electrons,positrons,protons,neutrons.
Thanks BeyondET.

Good post.

This reminds me...

Did we cover Carbon yet?

6 Neutrons
6 Electrons
6 Protons


Revelation 13:18
"Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six"


All Life on this planet is Carbon based.

The Mark of the Beast is essentially a covenant with the Flesh.

The Seal of God is a covenant with the Spirit.

It's really just that simple!
 
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BeyondET

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Thanks BeyondET.

Good post.

This reminds me...

Did we cover Carbon yet?

6 Neutrons
6 Electrons
6 Protons


Revelation 13:18
"Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six"


All Life on this planet is Carbon based.

The Mark of the Beast is essentially a covenant with the Flesh.

The Seal of God is a covenant with the Spirit.

It's really just that simple!
Good post,,,, no sir I don't think it's been covered speaking of carbon.

i have learned that graphite and diamonds are the most common forms of carbon and that Carbon compounds can range around 10 million compounds the most compounds than all other elements combined.

IYO what could be some connections between the abundance of carbon and or the common forms of carbon?
 
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This thread has no business being posted in a faith-based forum.
Au contraire my friend!

These subjects are precisely what a Faith-Based forum should be posting about!

Now more than ever.

If the Christian Community doesn't put on it's bravest face soon and begin confronting these monumental issues, I'm afraid the Beast System, and all it entails, will arrive much sooner than we would want.

[video=youtube;h85OGkCaKIg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h85OGkCaKIg[/video]

Amos 5:18
"Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light"


Bad times are ahead... real bad.

I'd like to postpone it as much as I can for what it's worth.

Studying and arming ourselves with this knowledge will do just that.

Don't you good folks want your children to be able to have a good life and retire one day?

Listen...

We are in a crisis situation right now.

Did you know that Genetically Modified Humans are being produced at this very moment?

Is this good? Is it bad? How would we know?

Scripture has the answers, but who will listen if threads like these keep being deleted over and over again?

Now is the time to stand up.

Did you know that CERN Scientists talk amongst themselves about accidentally creating a Black Hole?

Want to know what a Black Hole does?

Here... let God describe it for you...

Revelation 6:13
"And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind"


Golly Gee Base12... Stars can't 'literally' fall to the Earth... what are you stupid or something, Derpity Derp?

Yes, a Black Hole created on Earth will literally inhale Stars from all over the Galaxy.

Bam! In your face.

Try and tell me I can't believe in a literal interpretation!

:mad:

Did you know Scientists are beginning to realize that our entire reality as we know it exists on a flat sheet called a Membrane?

You know... like a Scroll?

Oh look... God right again...

Revelation 6:14
"And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places"


Look people, I know this is scary information. Trust me, I personally have difficulty dealing with it, but please... don't let fear and intimidation ruin something that God has been trying to teach us since Adam and Eve.

Enough with the censorship already.

:rolleyes:

Oh and PS...

Your Avatar (Candlestick) represents Mitochondrial DNA.

;)
 
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Back to carbon here a verse on a diamond, could there be a verse or similar for graphite as well?


Jeremiah 17:1
The sin of Judah is written with a pen of iron, and with the point of a diamond: it is graven upon the tablet of their heart, and upon the horns of your altars
 
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Oh man... great comments BeyondET and everyone!

So cool.

I have to run, but I'll be back to answer later!

:cool:
 
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The post reminds of the math science and engineering of God.

Isaiah 40:12
Who has measured the waters in the hollow of His hand, And marked off the heavens by the span, And calculated the dust of the earth by the measure, And weighed the mountains in a balance And the hills in a pair of scales?
yes, but how did we find out about it in 2016. etc lol

god is not against learning or teaching others wisdom , the problem is what consequence will come from believing the wrong thing. if so, we would not have been born babies. etc

for example
who was the first human, to find out, when that human jumped off a cliff,from a great height and then hit the ground, they could die.. lol
 

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This will be an ongoing thread linking Scripture with Science.

Can God be Scientifically proven?

You be the judge.

:cool:


Did you know that there are only Twelve Particles that make up the entire Universe?

That's right... everything you see, touch etc. are all made from just twelve little building blocks.

It's called The Standard Model of Particle Physics...


Now where have we heard of that number before?

Yes, in Scripture!

Twelve is a very special number indeed.

Twelve is the number of the Tribes of Israel.

What if there is a connection?

:eek:

What if God is trying to tell us something so profound, so incredible, that it would take thousands of years for Mankind to only begin to comprehend it?

Would the Christian Community be able to handle it?

Would they laugh, mock and ridicule this new understanding or embrace it?

What if we were to discover that the Twelve Tribes of Israel were also a representation of the literal building blocks of existence itself?

Crazy you say?

Pure lunacy?

Let's find out shall we?

Here we have the Standard Model next to the High Priest's Breastplate...

Exodus 39:10-13 (KJV)
"And they set in it four rows of stones: the first row was a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this was the first row"
"And the second row, an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond"
"And the third row, a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst"
"And the fourth row, a beryl, an onyx, and a jasper: they were inclosed in ouches of gold in their inclosings"




Notice how the rows and columns match precisely?

An act of God?

to be continued...
This is not how science works though. "Science" is really just methodology. In an ideal scientific method, you set up repeatable, quantifiable experiments with controls, variables and stated hypotheses. Then you run repeatedly, make observations, do analysis and draw any conclusions. What you posted isn't "scientifically" proving anything because you have not used an appropriate method. Pointing to the number of fundamental particles and the tribes of Israel or something is akin to what astrologers do.

Besides, you should know that the standard model is incomplete.