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Man this thread makes me angry. "Show approval of her sins or be a hateful Christian bigot".
And the whole acting as if God would want us to show approval really shows how people are more interested in making God into what they want Him to be over following His word.
Jesus forgave sins when people repented of what He did. Even the reference of the "pharisees prayer", if you actually read that, Jesus mentions how God holds those who humble themselves and admit theyre wrong doings above others.
If we are to take that teaching and apply it here, as one member has done, I dont see any acknowledgement, but instead someone whos trying to justify their sins.
Yes, the Christian community should turn from anyone who encourages sin. If those of you "more loving" Christians want to show approval of this womans actions and encourage others to "follow their heart" in order to "make Christians look nice", then go ahead. But we are told that those who know the warnings against wickedness, but dont give the warnings to others, that the blood will be on their hands.
God does not accept murder. And neither should we.
And the whole acting as if God would want us to show approval really shows how people are more interested in making God into what they want Him to be over following His word.
Jesus forgave sins when people repented of what He did. Even the reference of the "pharisees prayer", if you actually read that, Jesus mentions how God holds those who humble themselves and admit theyre wrong doings above others.
If we are to take that teaching and apply it here, as one member has done, I dont see any acknowledgement, but instead someone whos trying to justify their sins.
Yes, the Christian community should turn from anyone who encourages sin. If those of you "more loving" Christians want to show approval of this womans actions and encourage others to "follow their heart" in order to "make Christians look nice", then go ahead. But we are told that those who know the warnings against wickedness, but dont give the warnings to others, that the blood will be on their hands.
God does not accept murder. And neither should we.
I appreciate that I usually don't have to read beyond your first sentence to see you're incorrect. We live in the age of grace, my friend, and no more killings have to take place, so no, God isn't instructing anyone to kill babies, then write about the need to have the continued right to kill babies.
Man, Christianity has sunk to the lowest depths of evil incarnate when believers in Christ advocate the killing of unborn babies then often times follow through with what they preach. God have mercy on us.
Man, Christianity has sunk to the lowest depths of evil incarnate when believers in Christ advocate the killing of unborn babies then often times follow through with what they preach. God have mercy on us.
The God I serve doesn't advocate killing unborn children. You can take that to the bank, or your local DNC headquarters, doesn't matter to me. Either way, your presumptions that God, though doubtful, may have instructed this woman to kill her baby goes beyond the scope of anything rational or glorifying. You're too weak to admit you're wrong, and that's okay for now because I'm praying God will open your eyes. He opened mine.
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Yesterday, I researched the Hippocratic Oath. The classic version that was translated from Greek into English clearly states that euthanasia and abortion are not to be performed by physicians. The doctors taking this vow must pledge that they will give no drugs to terminate life even if a patient requests it and they will give no woman an abortive remedy. The modern version of the oath changed this.
I thought I would share this because this was challenged earlier on in the thread. Abortion clearly violates the role of the physician. Even the modern version contains the line that a doctor will respect life and death and not play God.
I thought I would share this because this was challenged earlier on in the thread. Abortion clearly violates the role of the physician. Even the modern version contains the line that a doctor will respect life and death and not play God.
To break it down and be more specific;
It's only because you've stated the truth, which more often than not, for people in that place on their journey in life, if it doesn't tickle their flesh, their reaction is predictable.
It's an incognizant outlook of scripture/Gods Word, or an outright manipulation of it.
Only because that's the first thing those people will jump to "she/he's a pharisee", solely because they illustrated truth about a subject matter that they didn't like or appealed to their flesh.
Remember whose approval you're living for - Our Father. Keep this in mind in every step you take in life, let God be on your mind every time you hold fast to a value and stand by it. No person's approval will mean anything next to this in the long run nor your peace of spirit. God is all that matters.
It's only because you've stated the truth, which more often than not, for people in that place on their journey in life, if it doesn't tickle their flesh, their reaction is predictable.
It's an incognizant outlook of scripture/Gods Word, or an outright manipulation of it.
Only because that's the first thing those people will jump to "she/he's a pharisee", solely because they illustrated truth about a subject matter that they didn't like or appealed to their flesh.
Remember whose approval you're living for - Our Father. Keep this in mind in every step you take in life, let God be on your mind every time you hold fast to a value and stand by it. No person's approval will mean anything next to this in the long run nor your peace of spirit. God is all that matters.
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You are probably right
Well, it will be interesting to see the definitions of when a fetus becomes a life. I believe it is upon conception. I can understand how some can explain away early abortions when the fetus is merely a clump of cells and has no "human" form. Late term abortions are far more difficult to explain away. When you can see on ultrasounds the image of the fully formed baby, feel it kick, and hear its heartbeat it is kind of hard to deny that it is a life. Then to complicate matters further, there are the many stories of babies who are born very prematurely and survive with the aid of medical assistance.
At least the minister in this story didn't downplay that the fetus was a life. I really don't think that many people truly believe that a fetus isn't a life. They have to take that stance to support their ideology.
Well, it will be interesting to see the definitions of when a fetus becomes a life. I believe it is upon conception. I can understand how some can explain away early abortions when the fetus is merely a clump of cells and has no "human" form. Late term abortions are far more difficult to explain away. When you can see on ultrasounds the image of the fully formed baby, feel it kick, and hear its heartbeat it is kind of hard to deny that it is a life. Then to complicate matters further, there are the many stories of babies who are born very prematurely and survive with the aid of medical assistance.
At least the minister in this story didn't downplay that the fetus was a life. I really don't think that many people truly believe that a fetus isn't a life. They have to take that stance to support their ideology.
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Unfortunately, I think that women's rights and freedoms have become so entwined with abortion that to debate the morality of abortion is almost fruitless. The majority in society view any negative position on abortion as a step backward for women's equality. I am a huge supporter of women's rights and in many ways I agree with aspects of feminism. That being said, I fail to see how legalized abortion was a step forward for women.
I think it is the role of Christian women to present the pro life argument. We have a far greater chance of having our opinions seriously considered than men do. Men who oppose abortion are often branded as misogynists. I also think that as Christians we need to provide mothers with more support and actually give them a viable alternative to abortion. If we are going to take the pro life stance, we have to be prepared to help unwed mothers. Many resort to abortions out of panic and shame. The way Christians can show more love ( as others pointed out ) is not to excuse the sins of sexual immorality or abortion, but to show compassion and help those who are contemplating an abortion.
Oddly enough, I have actually witnessed that many non Christians who regularly engaged in premarital sex were the harshest critics of teen mothers. They were the loudest to condemn their foolishness and carelessness. It's ironic to me that premarital sex is okay if you don't get "caught" so to speak, haha.
I think it is the role of Christian women to present the pro life argument. We have a far greater chance of having our opinions seriously considered than men do. Men who oppose abortion are often branded as misogynists. I also think that as Christians we need to provide mothers with more support and actually give them a viable alternative to abortion. If we are going to take the pro life stance, we have to be prepared to help unwed mothers. Many resort to abortions out of panic and shame. The way Christians can show more love ( as others pointed out ) is not to excuse the sins of sexual immorality or abortion, but to show compassion and help those who are contemplating an abortion.
Oddly enough, I have actually witnessed that many non Christians who regularly engaged in premarital sex were the harshest critics of teen mothers. They were the loudest to condemn their foolishness and carelessness. It's ironic to me that premarital sex is okay if you don't get "caught" so to speak, haha.
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