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The passage in Lk 21:20-24, has already happened.
The times of the gentiles is over, 70 ad - 1967, Israel is restored to Jerusalem.
There is no place to "flee" this time.
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WE are at the end of Rev, now,
Where Magog surrounds the Holy city and the camp of the saints.
Can't you see that Israel is being surrounded by Magog and the Kings of the East (Iran and it's allies)?
There is not going to be another"Times of the gentiles".
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You can see what is happening now to Israel,
They are surrounded!
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The world is now moving in for the kill.
Why won't the USA help Israel?
Military, politics, economics, a combination of these?
Can the USA win a military conflict in the Middle East against Russia, Iran, Syria, Gaza, the West bank, Egypt, and many others without the support of Nato (Europe)?
No
WE are at the end of Rev, not at the beginning! Rev 20:8-9.
If you hate (NO love/love less) anybody, that is not the Holy Spirit of Jesus' love.
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Why would a Christian have no love for his Israelite brethren?
A possibility?
RCC, when the RCC says that it is the only true church, (Beast - 8th head, Caesar, Iron Legs, 4th beast Dan. 7, nations)
The Bishop of Rome is saying that they are the only true Israel,
And that the natural branches are not.
Think of what it was like from 70 ad until 1967, to be of the natural branches, (and the true wild also),
to live under the power of Rome, death, murder, hatred, for all who did not bow down the the one called Caesar/the holy father.
Teaching that it was all the "Jews" fault and that they murdered Jesus.
(Jesus Gave up His life for my sins and for the sins of all of the human souls.)
They were blamed for just about everything I think.
And it continues to this day.
But it is coming to an end, R 11:7-15, R 20:7-9.
Who is trying to fool whom? Either you were not aware of what is really going on or just decided to ignore the truth
By Inigo Gilmore in Jerusalem
(Filed: 13/10/2004)
Christians in Jerusalem have attacked what they say is the increasingly common phenomenon of ultra-orthodox Jews spitting on them.
Spitting on God's Image | Christianity Today
"Jerusalem's Dirty Little Secret"
October 22, 2004
Unprecedented admission—from a Judaic newspaper based in New York of anti-Christian hate crimes in the Israeli state—church windows smashed, garbage dumped and relentless, filthy spitting--even by women and children
Orthodox yeshiva students and other Jewish residents vandalizing churches and spitting on Christian clergyman as they walk along the narrow, ancient stone streets of the Old City.
Jerusalem's Dirty Little Secret
Jews in Israel treat Christians just like they treat Muslims, with disdain and cruelty
raymie says:
god doesn't exist.
the christians hate the jews because their religion teaches them they killed jesus. also, the jews stubbornly reject jesus as messiah. antisemitism comes from christianity, nowhere else. the bible is a myth which tries to explain why the jews aren't rulers of the world, even though their god created everything. you can't see any of this because you have an agenda.hitler picked up antisemitism from christianity, as did the muslims. in the muslims' case, it was exacerbated by the creation of Israel
NOTtheTalk - International
semblance says:
It strikes as being bleedin' obvious where anti-semitism comes from.
It comes from a natural distrust of a small insular community which has power, wealth and influence out of
all proportion to it's size.
NOTtheTalk - International
I welcome your reply
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By Inigo Gilmore in Jerusalem
(Filed: 13/10/2004)
Christians in Jerusalem have attacked what they say is the increasingly common phenomenon of ultra-orthodox Jews spitting on them.
Spitting on God's Image | Christianity Today
"Jerusalem's Dirty Little Secret"
October 22, 2004
Unprecedented admission—from a Judaic newspaper based in New York of anti-Christian hate crimes in the Israeli state—church windows smashed, garbage dumped and relentless, filthy spitting--even by women and children
Orthodox yeshiva students and other Jewish residents vandalizing churches and spitting on Christian clergyman as they walk along the narrow, ancient stone streets of the Old City.
Jerusalem's Dirty Little Secret
Jews in Israel treat Christians just like they treat Muslims, with disdain and cruelty
raymie says:
god doesn't exist.
the christians hate the jews because their religion teaches them they killed jesus. also, the jews stubbornly reject jesus as messiah. antisemitism comes from christianity, nowhere else. the bible is a myth which tries to explain why the jews aren't rulers of the world, even though their god created everything. you can't see any of this because you have an agenda.hitler picked up antisemitism from christianity, as did the muslims. in the muslims' case, it was exacerbated by the creation of Israel
NOTtheTalk - International
semblance says:
It strikes as being bleedin' obvious where anti-semitism comes from.
It comes from a natural distrust of a small insular community which has power, wealth and influence out of
all proportion to it's size.
NOTtheTalk - International
I welcome your reply
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Who is trying to fool whom? Either you were not aware of what is really going on or just decided to ignore the truth
By Inigo Gilmore in Jerusalem
(Filed: 13/10/2004)
Christians in Jerusalem have attacked what they say is the increasingly common phenomenon of ultra-orthodox Jews spitting on them.
Spitting on God's Image | Christianity Today
"Jerusalem's Dirty Little Secret"
October 22, 2004
Unprecedented admission—from a Judaic newspaper based in New York of anti-Christian hate crimes in the Israeli state—church windows smashed, garbage dumped and relentless, filthy spitting--even by women and children
Orthodox yeshiva students and other Jewish residents vandalizing churches and spitting on Christian clergyman as they walk along the narrow, ancient stone streets of the Old City.
Jerusalem's Dirty Little Secret
Jews in Israel treat Christians just like they treat Muslims, with disdain and cruelty
raymie says:
god doesn't exist.
the christians hate the jews because their religion teaches them they killed jesus. also, the jews stubbornly reject jesus as messiah. antisemitism comes from christianity, nowhere else. the bible is a myth which tries to explain why the jews aren't rulers of the world, even though their god created everything. you can't see any of this because you have an agenda.hitler picked up antisemitism from christianity, as did the muslims. in the muslims' case, it was exacerbated by the creation of Israel
NOTtheTalk - International
semblance says:
It strikes as being bleedin' obvious where anti-semitism comes from.
It comes from a natural distrust of a small insular community which has power, wealth and influence out of
all proportion to it's size.
NOTtheTalk - International
I welcome your reply-
By Inigo Gilmore in Jerusalem
(Filed: 13/10/2004)
Christians in Jerusalem have attacked what they say is the increasingly common phenomenon of ultra-orthodox Jews spitting on them.
Spitting on God's Image | Christianity Today
"Jerusalem's Dirty Little Secret"
October 22, 2004
Unprecedented admission—from a Judaic newspaper based in New York of anti-Christian hate crimes in the Israeli state—church windows smashed, garbage dumped and relentless, filthy spitting--even by women and children
Orthodox yeshiva students and other Jewish residents vandalizing churches and spitting on Christian clergyman as they walk along the narrow, ancient stone streets of the Old City.
Jerusalem's Dirty Little Secret
Jews in Israel treat Christians just like they treat Muslims, with disdain and cruelty
raymie says:
god doesn't exist.
the christians hate the jews because their religion teaches them they killed jesus. also, the jews stubbornly reject jesus as messiah. antisemitism comes from christianity, nowhere else. the bible is a myth which tries to explain why the jews aren't rulers of the world, even though their god created everything. you can't see any of this because you have an agenda.hitler picked up antisemitism from christianity, as did the muslims. in the muslims' case, it was exacerbated by the creation of Israel
NOTtheTalk - International
semblance says:
It strikes as being bleedin' obvious where anti-semitism comes from.
It comes from a natural distrust of a small insular community which has power, wealth and influence out of
all proportion to it's size.
NOTtheTalk - International
I welcome your reply
-
Try living in Detroit!!! Ha Ha
Will you blame a nation for a few?
Is the entire USA to blame for a few people who go "off the deep end"?
Do you hate Jews?
I totally agree and are very interested in this observation with the Vatican.
You see that Rome is just the "image" of it's former self,
And will speak the words that deceive the Kings of the East (Iran and it's allies) into attacking Israel, R 9:14, R 16:12-16,
Because they have no physical army.
In my opinion, the words spoken will be something like, Israel is not God's people,
Yes?
Already happened in 70 ad, this time there will be no Israel left.
No one hates (holding back the blessing of God) in respect to the outward Jew anymore than a outward gentile .I would offer not replacement theology but reformed theology... restoring the government of God on earth to another time period when there was no outward representation .Before the unbelieving Jews (no faith coming from the scriptures) refused to worship God as King of kings , Lord of lords reigning over them by faith. This is when they gathered themselves together because of their carnal jealously of the surrounding Pagan nations. The refomation restored... not replaced. They have the same corrupted flesh today as any nation. He sent them a strong delusion to believe the lie for a temporal period of time. .
Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah, And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations.But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the LORD. And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.Sa 8:4
Mark 14:25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.
Below He said to both the outward Jew and the Gentile. He does not speak in a vacuum to one nation as if He was the Father of one nation. His name Abraham as the bosom, the invisible presence of God speaks to the Father of many.
John 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah, And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations.But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the LORD. And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.Sa 8:4
Mark 14:25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.
Below He said to both the outward Jew and the Gentile. He does not speak in a vacuum to one nation as if He was the Father of one nation. His name Abraham as the bosom, the invisible presence of God speaks to the Father of many.
John 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
Earthly Jerusalem has no further place in the promises of God. It ceased when Jerusalem was overthrown. In Gal 4.20 ff it was replaced by the heavenly Jerusalem which is 'the mother of us all' (see also Heb 12,22 where the heavenly Jerusalem is called the city of the living God). Why do so many so called Christians hate their fellow Christians so much by denying them this privilege.?
The word teaches us that the believing Jews who followed Christ were the true Israel. The remaining Jews were cast off (Rom 11.12-24). The believing Jews were the believing remnant, and God incorporated into them Gentile proselytes as Israel had always done (Rom 11.12-24). They henceforth formed the true Israel. As Eph 2.11-22 says, they 'became fellow-citizens with the saints and members of the household of God'. Compare also 1.Peter 2.9. This is not hatred of the Jews, but standard New Testament teaching.
The only hope for a future Israel is that it becomes converted to Christ, joining with present believers in the household of God. The congregation of Israel is now the church of Jesus Christ. To deny this is to deny the New Testament.
The word teaches us that the believing Jews who followed Christ were the true Israel. The remaining Jews were cast off (Rom 11.12-24). The believing Jews were the believing remnant, and God incorporated into them Gentile proselytes as Israel had always done (Rom 11.12-24). They henceforth formed the true Israel. As Eph 2.11-22 says, they 'became fellow-citizens with the saints and members of the household of God'. Compare also 1.Peter 2.9. This is not hatred of the Jews, but standard New Testament teaching.
The only hope for a future Israel is that it becomes converted to Christ, joining with present believers in the household of God. The congregation of Israel is now the church of Jesus Christ. To deny this is to deny the New Testament.
It is clear to see that the Jews are being gathered back to the genuine nation of Israel, back to their promised lands. The Babylon punishment was extended 7 times by God when Jews failed to return home, that ended at start of the 20th Century, Jews then regained nation.
The Jews are being brought back for judgement through the Anti-Christ. The final last attempt for Jews to accept Christ, many will not and will perish.
Christ will return just as the world is about to commit genocide on the Jews and will fight the Anti-christ, then we will see a thousand year rule from His throne in Jerusalem.
This spiritual nonsense is ridiculous. When Christ rules the earth there will be no sin, do we live in a sin free world today, that is all men? NO! Christ has not returned yet, unless you follow crackpot theology that is replacement theology, which in my view is just as delusional as following King James Onlyism.
The Jews are being brought back for judgement through the Anti-Christ. The final last attempt for Jews to accept Christ, many will not and will perish.
Christ will return just as the world is about to commit genocide on the Jews and will fight the Anti-christ, then we will see a thousand year rule from His throne in Jerusalem.
This spiritual nonsense is ridiculous. When Christ rules the earth there will be no sin, do we live in a sin free world today, that is all men? NO! Christ has not returned yet, unless you follow crackpot theology that is replacement theology, which in my view is just as delusional as following King James Onlyism.
Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."
Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is YHWH our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."
Galations 3:28,29, "Is there not the Yahdai as well as the Greek; Gentile? Is there not the slave as well as the freeman? Is there not the male and the female? For all of you must be in unity in Yahshua Messiah. And if you are in Messiah, then you are a seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise."
Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is YHWH our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."
Galations 3:28,29, "Is there not the Yahdai as well as the Greek; Gentile? Is there not the slave as well as the freeman? Is there not the male and the female? For all of you must be in unity in Yahshua Messiah. And if you are in Messiah, then you are a seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise."
In the passage of Lk 21:20-24,
The gentiles trample Jerusalem until the times of the gentiles is fulfilled v 24.
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Notice that it does not refer to the temple, but only the city.
When Israel controls the city, then the ToG's is ended.
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Does the military of Israel control Jerusalem and the Temple MT.?
Yes. No other countries (gentiles) have any authority, as in military forces, over any part of the city.
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would you like to state that again in plain ENGLISH??//
Israel, the Jewish people are ARE God's people and will be taken care of when the Church is gone.
The are Jews and Gentiles who believe in Jesus Christ and they are one, the elect.\
Judism is a Talmudic sect of the Jewish nation. God during the tribulations and GT...will bring what is left of them into the fold. They to will be the elect. Not two,,,only ONE.