The King James Only Debate
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How exactly I am corrupted but not knowing the "KJV added information"?
BTW, trofimus is just a nickname, its not my real name
Its your opinion. You surely know that new Christians of non-jewish origin in the first centuries did not have the complete book we call "Bible". And surely not the perfect manuscripts. And surely not the Hebrew massoretic texts you have in your KJV. They did not speak Hebrew and these texts did not even exist yet.
You must believe that because you cant deny the obvious differences between your Old Testament and your New Testament.
But its only "getaway" from the reality.
BTW, trofimus is just a nickname, its not my real name
Its your opinion. You surely know that new Christians of non-jewish origin in the first centuries did not have the complete book we call "Bible". And surely not the perfect manuscripts. And surely not the Hebrew massoretic texts you have in your KJV. They did not speak Hebrew and these texts did not even exist yet.
You must believe that because you cant deny the obvious differences between your Old Testament and your New Testament.
But its only "getaway" from the reality.
Yes you can trust the Word of God, all of it. The reasons again are simple. There are no major distortions within the modern versions to render it false. You can trust the ESV or NIV because they do contain all truth. A word change does affect the point of the text unless it directly, purposefully and unequivocally goes against the content of the text, the context and the intentionality. Which none of the modern versions do.
KJV - After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.
ESV - After this the Lord appointed seventy-two others and sent them on ahead of him, two by two, into every town and place where he himself was about to go.
Did the Lord send out 70 or 72? You say, what's the big deal? The big deal is truth. Is it true that the Lord sent our 70 or 72? One can be trusted and one cannot be trusted for truth. If so called little truths can't be trusted, who are we to determine if the whole book can be trusted or not?
The differences in versions abound even in doctrinal issues as I posted in #333.
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God did not translate it. Men did.
end of story.
if you really want to get technical. Why has God not translated an english bible with uses modern english understandable by all people. Why is he still using an old outdated hard to understand language which no one (unless they grew up in it) can understand.
so in both cases.. Your point is prety much invalid.
end of story.
if you really want to get technical. Why has God not translated an english bible with uses modern english understandable by all people. Why is he still using an old outdated hard to understand language which no one (unless they grew up in it) can understand.
so in both cases.. Your point is prety much invalid.
The King James Only Debate.....
.....is a silly one. It isn't the words on the page that speak of God's truth and life. It is His Holy Spirit speaking through those pages. While it is good to have as accurate a translation as you can, it isn't worth a staunch stance or debate. God can speak just as much through the NIV, NASB or ESV, etc. as much as the King James. Hey, God can even speak through The Message (heresy!)
If we want the most accurate translation possible, throw all of the English versions out the window and go with the original Hebrew or Greek.
.....is a silly one. It isn't the words on the page that speak of God's truth and life. It is His Holy Spirit speaking through those pages. While it is good to have as accurate a translation as you can, it isn't worth a staunch stance or debate. God can speak just as much through the NIV, NASB or ESV, etc. as much as the King James. Hey, God can even speak through The Message (heresy!)
If we want the most accurate translation possible, throw all of the English versions out the window and go with the original Hebrew or Greek.
Speculative and irrelevant to the discussion of "authorized".
Prove then that the "utmost reverence" exceeded greatly the reverence with which the translators of modern Bibles did their work. Otherwise your comment is irrelevant.
Prove then that the qualifications of the group of KJV translators exceeded the qualifications of the groups of modern translators (not by picking 'best' vs 'worst' either!).
Prove your opinion of "prime" language with any evidence at all, other than mere opinion.
Complete and irrelevant speculation which is easily refuted and has been repeatedly. This is not sound reasoning at all and has no bearing whatsoever on "infallible" or on "authorized".
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The only other thing that might can be said about the "authorization" by King James for 47 chosen men to translated the Bible - is - God used that king and those men to accomplish a "good-and-proper" translation of the scriptures into English at a time when:
~ it was handled with utmost reverence for the task
~ it was done by a group of scholars whose qualifications for the task have been unequaled since that time
~ the English language was "in its prime"; the "beauty of the language" has 'waned' much since that time
The only other thing that might can be said about the "authorization" by King James for 47 chosen men to translated the Bible - is - God used that king and those men to accomplish a "good-and-proper" translation of the scriptures into English at a time when:
~ it was handled with utmost reverence for the task
~ it was done by a group of scholars whose qualifications for the task have been unequaled since that time
~ the English language was "in its prime"; the "beauty of the language" has 'waned' much since that time
Prove then that the qualifications of the group of KJV translators exceeded the qualifications of the groups of modern translators (not by picking 'best' vs 'worst' either!).
Prove your opinion of "prime" language with any evidence at all, other than mere opinion.
Complete and irrelevant speculation which is easily refuted and has been repeatedly. This is not sound reasoning at all and has no bearing whatsoever on "infallible" or on "authorized".
The Message can be useful
But don’t let it faze you. Stick with what you learned and believed, sure of the integrity of your teachers—why, you took in the sacred Scriptures with your mother’s milk! There’s nothing like the written Word of God for showing you the way to salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. Every part of Scripture is God-breathed and useful one way or another
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Tim+3&version=MSG
But don’t let it faze you. Stick with what you learned and believed, sure of the integrity of your teachers—why, you took in the sacred Scriptures with your mother’s milk! There’s nothing like the written Word of God for showing you the way to salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. Every part of Scripture is God-breathed and useful one way or another
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Tim+3&version=MSG
Idk why you give people CLEAR information like this and they act like is ok to have mistakes in God's words. They obviously aren't educated on the subject and DO NOT even try to be a apologetic to defend why their "bible" is corrupt unlike KJV-ONlY. Much rather just justify the errors in the Bible, can't believe they would worship a lying God.