The King James Only Debate

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KJV might help the kids these days start speaking better... just saying.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Show me these "errors" it certainly doesn't have none. Learning Greek and Hebrew causes more conterversy over those definitiojs of the words their is a reason why our protestants reformation risked getting persecuted to translated them already Erasmus, Martin Luther, Theodore Beza, Stephanus.
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wow man, You do not know much about english do you? The english language is the most "open" language out there.. You can have one english word which can be translated 100 different ways. That is why it is so weak as a translation. because it can be transated in many different ways, and no one really can refute it (although God knew this would happen and has checks and balances)

The greek and hebrew is not this way.. There is a reason God chose Greek for the NT and not english. And it is not so we could have this debate 2000 years later.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

wow man, You do not know much about english do you? The english language is the most "open" language out there.. You can have one english word which can be translated 100 different ways. That is why it is so weak as a translation. because it can be transated in many different ways, and no one really can refute it (although God knew this would happen and has checks and balances)


The greek and hebrew is not this way.. There is a reason God chose Greek for the NT and not english. And it is not so we could have this debate 2000 years later.
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dude that's epic,cool,right,sound.
 
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lol just imagine it.... but for real it would be better than the text dialect some of them use, imagine a preacher like that!
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Some of the language is prety bad I will agree.

but I will take a pass on king "jimmyese"
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

wow man, You do not know much about english do you? The english language is the most "open" language out there.. You can have one english word which can be translated 100 different ways. That is why it is so weak as a translation. because it can be transated in many different ways, and no one really can refute it (although God knew this would happen and has checks and balances)

The greek and hebrew is not this way.. There is a reason God chose Greek for the NT and not english. And it is not so we could have this debate 2000 years later.
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It doesn't matter how many different way the English language can translated a word why would you "try" to keep improving the word of God if it is already preserved. The word of God is not a lottery game where you just keep playing in hope of winning this is sacred, holy, scriptures THAT AGAIN Christians have needed to revolt against tyranny of other religions and you throw it away like is nothing.

There is no need to improve the English when they came for the ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPTS in Greek. Therefore, you would need to study Greek and translated it and why do that when God already chose bis people to translated it. You think you might do a better job revising the manuscripts but might in fact damage it. The Greek manuscirpts had nothing to do with it not being in English bc the English langiage didnt exist so thats not even a reasonable argument.

Proverbs 16:25 - There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Revelation (22:18-19) - For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of THIS BOOK, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in THIS BOOK:
And if any man shall take away from the words of THE BOOK OF THIS PROPHECY, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in THIS BOOK.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Is it possible that the so called errors of the other versions are not errors but a misunderstanding on you part?

It goes both ways, You can not judge one without judging the other with the same judgment

Thats why this "debate" is quite sad.
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This is no debate. Until you or any other can point us to something that you believe is the infallible, 100% trustworthy word of God, then it's no debate.

Can you provide a Bible that is trustworthy? Do you have a Bible you can give to the lost world and tell them that they can trust everything in it to be true? Every book, every verse, every word? No? Then there's no debate.
 
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The_Bible said:
It doesn't matter how many different way the English language can translated a word why would you "try" to keep improving the word of God if it is already preserved. The word of God is not a lottery game where you just keep playing in hope of winning this is sacred, holy, scriptures THAT AGAIN Christians have needed to revolt against tyranny of other religions and you throw it away like is nothing.

There is no need to improve the English when they came for the ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPTS in Greek. Therefore, you would need to study Greek and translated it and why do that when God already chose bis people to translated it. You think you might do a better job revising the manuscripts but might in fact damage it. The Greek manuscirpts had nothing to do with it not being in English bc the English langiage didnt exist so thats not even a reasonable argument.

Proverbs 16:25 - There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Revelation (22:18-19) - For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of THIS BOOK, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in THIS BOOK:
And if any man shall take away from the words of THE BOOK OF THIS PROPHECY, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in THIS BOOK.
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the word gay is enough to to make your point moot. what it meant in 1611 and now in 2016 are completely different, words change over time, slang, idioms, culture... come on.
 
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wanderer6059 said:
the word gay is enough to to make your point moot. what it meant in 1611 and now in 2016 are completely different, words change over time, slang, idioms, culture... come on.
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Never use current "up to date" terminology to define a word in the Bible. Use the Bible itself to define the term. The KJV has it's own built in dictionary.
 
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John146 said:
Never use current "up to date" terminology to define a word in the Bible. Use the Bible itself to define the term. The KJV has it's own built in dictionary.
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......so that means we all should read the Greek. brother its about being able to understand the context of the word. i use a KJV, ESV, NLT. and i pullout a Strongs, plus other study tools.
 
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wanderer6059 said:
......so that means we all should read the Greek. brother its about being able to understand the context of the word. i use a KJV, ESV, NLT. and i pullout a Strongs, plus other study tools.
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Even if we could read Greek, there's one problem...we don't have the original Scripture.
 
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Even if we could read Greek, there's one problem...we don't have the original Scripture.
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well since the original would be hearing it from the lips of Christ or the mouth of the apostles, we gotta work with what we got. but God is sovereign, if we ask He will give.
 
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wanderer6059 said:
the word gay is enough to to make your point moot. what it meant in 1611 and now in 2016 are completely different, words change over time, slang, idioms, culture... come on.
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God promised to preserve his word, he did not promise to preserve our language. The wise thing would be to leave it instead of trying to update it into modern english which other bibles have but are corrupt, and don't even use the same manuscripts. We have sole books to defend the King James while other bibles serve no purpose to be defended nor do they even have books to support it.
 
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1 Timothy 3:16King James Version (KJV)

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

1 Timothy 3:16New American Standard Bible (NASB)

16 By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness:
He who was revealed in the flesh,
Was [a]vindicated [b]in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Proclaimed among the nations,
Believed on in the world,
Taken up in glory.


A few questions I have about the NASB... Someone please explain.
  1. Why use he instead of God?
  2. Why use revealed in the flesh? It gives the impression that God appeared in a human body rather than God became fully man.
  3. Why use vindicated? Vindicate means to clear someone of blame or suspicion. Jesus wasn't vindicated, he was justified.
 
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We have sole books to defend the King James while other bibles serve no purpose to be defended nor do they even have books to support it.
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That is because no other Bible has a cult built on it. Why do you have to write whole books to defend it? That is something a cult has to do to preserve the lie and delusion.

So can someone explain to me if all the words have to be refined 7 times to make the King James, why is it the Old testament words have only been refined 6 times? That is a huge flaw in the claim that no one can give a crediable answer to. Maybe if you have to write a whole book to explain it.
 
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That is because no other Bible has a cult built on it. Why do you have to write whole books to defend it? That is something a cult has to do to preserve the lie and delusion.

So can someone explain to me if all the words have to be refined 7 times to make the King James, why is it the Old testament words have only been refined 6 times? That is a huge flaw in the claim that no one can give a crediable answer to. Maybe if you have to write a whole book to explain it.
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Just so you know, I don't base inspiration of the KJV on being refined 7 times.
 
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Agricola said:
That is because no other Bible has a cult built on it. Why do you have to write whole books to defend it? That is something a cult has to do to preserve the lie and delusion.

So can someone explain to me if all the words have to be refined 7 times to make the King James, why is it the Old testament words have only been refined 6 times? That is a huge flaw in the claim that no one can give a crediable answer to. Maybe if you have to write a whole book to explain it.
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What I meant was there are whole books to defend the KJV when certain people bring up erros in the Bible. King James being the infallible and other bibles certainly having errors, lines left out, contradictions within its context, the KJV has books to PROVE that it is indeed the preserverd word of God. I do not know what you mean the OT only being refined 6 times. Tyndale finished roughly half of the OT and the complete NT so others who have made the next bibles simply had to fill what little work was left.
 
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