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3and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while. - Rev 20

I suspect that even the release has been initiated.

If that already happened when was the 1,000 year reign?


Rev 20:4-6, "And I saw thrones – and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them – and the lives of those who had been beheaded because of the witness they bore to יהושע and because of the Word of Ylohim, and who did not worship the beast, nor his image, and did not receive his mark upon their foreheads or upon their hands. And they lived and reigned with Messiah for a thousand years and the rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended) – this is the first resurrection. Blessed and set-apart is the one having part in the first resurrection. The second death possesses no authority over these, but they shall be priests of Ylohim and of Messiah, and shall reign with Him a thousand years."

and when did this (below) happen?


None of this has yet happened, thus the 1,000 year reign is future...

Malachi/Malakyah 4:1-4, “For look, the day shall come, burning like a furnace, and all the proud, and every wrongdoer shall be stubble. And the day that shall come shall burn them up,” said יהוה of hosts, “which leaves to them neither root nor branch. 2 “But to you who fear My Name the Sun of Righteousness shall arise with healing in His wings. And you shall go out and leap for joy like calves from the stall. 3 “And you shall trample the wrongdoers, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day that I do this,” said יהוה of hosts. 4 “Remember the Torah of Mosheh, My servant, which I commanded him in Ḥorĕḇ for all Yisra’ĕl – laws and right-rulings."

Isaiah 24:1-6, "See,
יהוה is making the earth empty and making it waste, and shall overturn its surface, and shall scatter abroad its inhabitants. 2 And it shall be – as with the people so with the priest, as with the servant so with his master, as with the female servant so with her mistress, as with the buyer so with the seller, as with the lender so with the borrower, as with the creditor so with the debtor; 3 the earth is completely emptied and utterly plundered, for יהוה has spoken this word. 4 The earth shall mourn and wither, the world shall languish and wither, the haughty people of the earth shall languish. 5 For the earth has been defiled under its inhabitants, because they have transgressed the Torot, changed the law, broken the everlasting covenant. 6 Therefore a curse shall consume the earth, and those who dwell in it be punished. Therefore the inhabitants of the earth shall be burned, and few men shall be left.

Matt 24:21-2, "For then will be great tribulation, such as has not come to pass since the beginning ofthe world to this time--no, nor ever will be. And unless those days were shortened, there would no flesh be saved; but for the elect's sake, those days will be shortened."

Isayah 51:6, “Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look on the earth beneath, for the heavens shall vanish like smoke, and the earth wear out like a garment, and those who dwell in it die as gnats. But My deliverance is forever, and My righteousness is not broken."

Revelation 21:1-2, "And
I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahanan, saw the holy city, YHWH Shammah, coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.
 

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36And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. 37Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. 38But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things. 39Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

"for that that is determined shall be done."

Dan 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.


Daniel 11
"37Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all."


- the temple was built extravagantly by the king - Herod.
- if Herod was an Edomite, the "the God of his fathers" fits, doesn't it? OH! the God of his fathers! - Yahweh!
- what is the desire of women - isn't it children? he slaughtered the innocents and his own children! and lots of others.
- the desire of women - to bring forth the Messiah through childbearing
- neither did he worship pantheons of gods
- he magnified himself above all........all histories show this.

"38But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things. "

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matt 24:24-25, "For there will arise false messiahs and false prophets who will show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they would deceive the very elect. Behold, I have warned you beforehand!"[/FONT]
 

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Herod (Hebrew: הוֹרְדוֹס‎, Hordos, Greek: Ἡρῴδης, Hērōdēs), also known as Herod I and Herod the Great.... in Jericho[1][2][3][4][5]), was a Roman client king of Judea.[6][7][8] He has been called "a madman who murdered his own family and a great many rabbis" and "the greatest builder in Jewish history".[9]

He is known for his colossal building projects in Jerusalem and elsewhere, including his expansion of the Second Temple in Jerusalem (sometimes referred to as Herod's Temple) and the construction of the port at Caesarea Maritima.

Herod was born....in the south (Idumea was the most southern region).[11][12]

Herod was practicing Judaism, as many Edomites and Nabateans had been commingled with the Jews and adopted their customs.[13]

These "Judaized" Edomites were not considered Jewish by the dominant Pharisaic tradition, so even though Herod may have considered himself of the Jewish faith, he was not considered Jewish by the observant and nationalist Jews of Judea.[14]

He enjoyed the backing of Rome but his brutality was condemned by the Sanhedrin.[15]

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Herod went back to Judea to win his kingdom from Antigonus and at the same time he married the teenage niece of Antigonus, Mariamne (known as Mariamne I), in an attempt to secure a claim to the throne and gain some Jewish favor.

Three years later, Herod and the Romans finally captured Jerusalem and executed Antigonus.

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Herod took the role as sole ruler of Judea and the title of basileus (Gr. Βασιλευς, king) for himself, ushering in the Herodian Dynasty and ending the Hasmonean Dynasty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_the_Great < use footnotes:)
 

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36"Then the king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will speak monstrous things against the God of gods; and he will prosper until the indignation is finished, for that which is decreed will be done.
The king in the above scripture is in reference to the coming antichrist, that little horn, the beast. The reference to that king speaking blasphemies against the God of gods is also found in Rev.13 regarding the beast, which links the king mentioned in Dan.11, with the beast or Rev.13 as being one and the same.

"The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for forty-two months. He opened his mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven." (Rev.13:5)

Therefore, the king of Daniel 11:36 is not representing Herod, but that future beast of Rev.13:5 who comes up out of the Abyss and who will be the power behind the antichrist. Everything that you wrote above is just misapplied information. This is about the future and that future king and his kingdom.
 

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Daniel 11
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

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Herod was not completely sensitive to traditional Jewish observances and was met with opposition from many Jews.

As highlighted in Jewish Antiquities, one of the major complaints from Jews towards Herod were his violations of traditional Jewish law.[23]

In Jerusalem, he built a theater and an amphitheater where different forms of entertainment were staged that were foreign to Judaism and met with great animosity.[23]

Although Herod adhered to many of the demands of the Pharisees regarding aspects of the Temple's construction, he ignored them in other respects which made them continue to be hostile toward Herod.[25]

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In regards to the Temple, he offended many Jews by introducing Roman trophies into the Temple and by erecting a golden eagle over its entrance.[23]

The Sadducees were also opposed to him because he constantly appointed and removed high priests.

The high priests were appointed from members of the priestly families of Babylonia and Alexandria.[25]

These individuals were appointed in an attempt to bolster support from the Diaspora population.

However, his appointments did not follow existing traditions and resulted in an increased loss of respect for this old institution.[24]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_the_Great


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Judgment against Jerusalem
…8therefore, thus says the Lord GOD, 'Behold, I, even I, am against you, and I will execute judgments among you in the sight of the nations. 9And because of all your abominations, I will do among you what I have not done, and the like of which I will never do again. 10Therefore, fathers will eat their sons among you, and sons will eat their fathers; for I will execute judgments on you and scatter all your remnant to every wind.…


Flavius Josephus (37-100)

Throughout the city people were dying of hunger in large numbers, and enduring unspeakable sufferings. In every house the merest hint of food sparked violence, and close relatives fell to blows, snatching from one another the pitiful supports of life. No respect was paid even to the dying; the ruffians [anti-Roman zealots] searched them, in case they were concealing food somewhere in their clothes, or just pretending to be near death. Gaping with hunger, like mad dogs, lawless gangs went staggering and reeling through the streets, battering upon the doors like drunkards, and so bewildered that they broke into the same house two or three times in an hour. Need drove the starving to gnaw at anything. Refuse which even animals would reject was collected and turned into food. In the end they were eating belts and shoes, and the leather stripped off their shields. Tufts of withered grass were devoured, and sold in little bundles for four drachmas.

But why dwell on the commonplace rubbish which the starving were driven to feed upon, giver that what I have to recount is an act unparalleled in the history of either the Greeks or the barbarians, and as horrible to relate as it is incredible to hear? For my part I should gladly have omitted this tragedy, lest I should be suspected of monstrous fabrication. But there were many witnesses of it among my contemporaries; and besides, I should do poor service to my country if I were to suppress the agonies she went through.......

The Siege of Jerusalem, AD 70, by Flavius Josephus
Thanks for the quotation. my posting was a response to Spurgions description of Rome in his day as supplied by Stephen 63. On reflection I realise it may have been a little fallacious. I do follow your thoughts on Jerusalem in 70AD. The Romans went even further between 132 and 136AD by destroying Jerusalem completely and building a new city on the ruins complete with a Temple dedicated to Jupiter.
 

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Daniel 11:38
But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.


Herod is contemporaneous with Caesar (Augustus) in history and in Daniel 11:


- Augustus is declared a god.
- He amasses enormous military forces, and absolute power.
- the word augustus etymologically linked with auctoritas : power backed by military force



In the following year the balance of power began to change: whereas Antony’s eastern expedition failed, Octavian’s (AUGUSTUS) fleet—commanded by his former schoolmate Marcus Agrippa, who, although unpopular with the influential nobles, was an admiral of genius—totally defeated Sextus Pompeius off Cape Naulochus (Venetico) in Sicily.

At this point the third triumvir, Lepidus, seeking to contest Octavian’s supremacy in the west by force, was disarmed by Octavian, deprived of his triumviral office, and forced into retirement.

Ignoring Antony’s right to settle his own veterans in Italy and recruit fresh troops, Octavian discharged many legionaries and founded settlements for them.

His deliberate rivalry with Antony for the eventual mastership of the Roman world became increasingly apparent.

Octavian’s marriage two years earlier had begun to win over some of the nobles who had previously been Antony’s supporters.

Octavian also launched elaborate religious and patriotic publicity, centering on the classical god of order, Apollo, in contrast to Antony’s less Roman patron, Dionysus (Bacchus).

In addition, Octavian had started to prefix his name with the designation “Imperator,” to suggest that he was the commander par excellence; and now, although he continued to use his triumviral powers, he omitted all reference to them from his coins, gradually concentrating on the plain, emotive name “Caesar Son of a God.”

The seizure of Cleopatra’s treasure enabled him to pay off his veterans and made him finally master of the entire Greco-Roman world. From this point on, by a long and gradual series of tentative, patient measures, he established the Roman principate, a system of government that enabled him to maintain, in all essentials, absolute control. Gradually reducing his 60 legions to 28, he retained approximately 150,000 legionaries, mostly Italian, and supplemented them by about the same number of auxiliaries drawn from the provinces. A permanent bodyguard (the Praetorians), based on the bodyguards maintained by earlier generals, was stationed partly in Rome and partly in other Italian towns. A superb network of roads was created to maintain internal order and facilitate trade, and an efficient fleet was organized to police the Mediterranean. In 28 bce Octavian and Agrippa held a census of the civil population, the first of three during the reign. They also reduced the Senate from about 1,000 to 800 (later 600) compliant members, and Octavian was appointed its president.

...he was granted a 10-year tenure of an area of government (provincia) comprising Spain, Gaul, and Syria, the three regions containing the bulk of the army.

Four days after these measures, his name Caesar, acquired through adoption in Julius’s will, was supplemented by “Augustus,” an appellation with an antique religious ring, believed to be linked etymologically with auctoritas and with the ancient practice of augury.

The word augustus was often contrasted with humanus; its adoption as the title representing the new order cleverly indicated, in an extraconstitutional fashion, his superiority over the rest of mankind.

https://www.coursehero.com/file/9801168/Augustus-Roman-emperor-Britannica-Online-Encyclopedia/

- Athena Poliouchos--Athena builder of fortresses? - a fav of Augustus

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One thing I have learned from history is that Satan continually seeks to be worshipped in a man as god...God continually hindered this because it was not yet time...From Egypt to Rome...and what Rome devolves into....we see this continuing cycle..Horus is Bel is Marduke is Merodach is Jupiter is Zeus is Allah is Satan seeking to be acknowledged as God....Jesus said to church at Pergamos that he knew they dwelt where SATAN'S seat was located<--the throne of Zeus was located there....point being...the continuing cycle of history is filled with cycles that can be compared, like and symbolic of what is coming at the end of the age..........my 2 cents worth...and just saying........
 

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King Herod, in his estate, shall honor Augustus, the God of forces:


Daniel 11:38
But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.



Four days after these measures, his name Caesar, acquired through adoption in Julius’s will, was supplemented by “Augustus,” an appellation with an antique religious ring, believed to be linked etymologically with auctoritas and with the ancient practice of augury.

https://www.coursehero.com/file/9801168/Augustus-Roman-emperor-Britannica-Online-Encyclopedia/


auctoritas:
Caesar citing his divine origins.......the ancient Roman private virtue of Auctoritas (Authority).

Auctoritas can be translated a number of ways. “Authority” to modern ears may sound simply like law enforcement, but the Romans had other words for this: potestas (power through coercion, such as police enforcement) and imperium (power backed by military force).

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Daniel 11
36-39 - Herod
40-43 - Augustus
44-45 - Herod
 

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One thing I have learned from history is that Satan continually seeks to be worshipped in a man as god...God continually hindered this because it was not yet time...From Egypt to Rome...and what Rome devolves into....we see this continuing cycle..Horus is Bel is Marduke is Merodach is Jupiter is Zeus is Allah is Satan seeking to be acknowledged as God....Jesus said to church as pergamos that he knew they dwelt where SATAN'S seat was located<--the throne of Zeus was located there....ppint being...the continuing cycle of history is filled with cycles that can be compared, like and symbolic of what is coming at the end of the age..........my 2 cents worth...and just saying........
I'm only posting passages that can be absolutely proven in history, and Daniel 11 delineates exactly according to our history.
 

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The words, “nor the desire of women,” are very significant. There can scarcely be any doubt that they refer to Christ, and that Daniel would so understand them. For, of course, the “women” must be understood to be women of Israel; and the ardent “desire” of every one of them was that she might be the mother of Christ.

The same word is found in (Haggai 2:7): “And the Desire of all nations shall come.” Evidently then it is Christ who is referred to as “the desire of women”; and if so, then we have a striking fulfilment of these words in Herod’s attempt to murder the infant Messiah.

The King
We come now to a remarkable personality, one who fills a large and prominent place in the prophecy,
and who is introduced in these words:

“And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvelous things against the God of gods and shall prosper until the indignation be accomplished” (Daniel 11:36).

- p. 52

The Seventy Weeks
and the Great Tribulation
A Study of the Last Two Visions of Daniel,
and of the Olivet Discourse of the Lord Jesus Christ
by Philip Mauro
Written in 1921, revised in 1944

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Daniel 11:39
“Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.”

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"In connection with the prediction of what this king would do in the chief strongholds “with a strange god,” mention should be made of the many images, statues of Caesar, which Herod set up to be worshipped in various fortified places. He even went so far in his sacrilege as to place a huge golden eagle (the adored emblem of imperial Rome) at the very gate of the temple, thus giving rise to a tumult and insurrection among the people.

In this way did he, in his estate (office), “honor the god of forces” (Caesar) whose statues he everywhere introduced as objects of worship. He fulfilled with literal exactness the words, “Thus shall he do in the most strongholds,” (which expression would apply to the citadel of the temple, where he erected the Tower of Antonia) “with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge, and increase with glory” (Daniel 11:39). The last clause finds a striking fulfillment in Herod’s extravagant pains to glorify Caesar, which, as we have shown, went beyond all bounds.

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The words “dividing the land for gain” (or parceling it out for hire) were fulfilled in the practice adopted by Herod of parceling out among persons favorable to himself, the land adjacent to places which it was important for him to control in case of emergency. Josephus speaks of this (Ant. XV 8, 5)."

Daniel 11 - Prophecy Fulfilled

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anyways, whatever.

Daniel 11 - Prophecy Fulfilled < click for more on Caesar etc.

this is how I came to my beliefs - by reading history.
okay. thanks for patience.

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Zone,

I appreciate all you posted about Dan 11. I pretty much agree with everything you said up and until verse 29 which starts with "At the appointed time."

Herod cannot be considered the "King of the North" or the "King of the South" or any other king relative to Dan 11:29-45. For starters, Herod was not engaged in any back and forth battles with another king during his reign, as Daniel is clearly stating. Additionally, Herod did nothing to defile the sanctuary or its fortress. Instead, Herod improved upon both.

Lastly, Jesus specifically makes mention of the "Abomination of Desolation as spoken of by Daniel, the prophet." Jesus speaks of this event as a future event and since Herod died in 1 BCE (some say 4 BCE but they are wrong), Herod could not have been the one Jesus spoke of. Jesus was not asked to show signs of things in the past, but rather things in the future. The temple wasn't destroyed until some 70+ years after Herod's death. The A of D is mentioned just twice by Daniel in Chapter 11 and 12 (not 9 as some claim). Therefore, Jesus could not be referencing Herod or Antiochus Epiphanes from the past.

If you really study hard, this verse...

[SUP]31 [/SUP]And forces shall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation.

...you will find that "sacrifices" is in italics, meaning the word is NOT in the original text. Also, you will note that it isn't the sanctuary or temple that is defiled, rather it is the FORTRESS of the sanctuary which is defiled. The fortress is the WALL. In the first century AD, before the temple was destroyed, why would anyone want to defile the wall of the temple? The wall had no special religious significance back then.

Fast forward to today. The remaining piece of the old fortress (or wall) of the Temple has huge religious significance to Jews. In fact it is where Orthodox Jews gather daily for prayer. This wall, the "Western Wall" or as some call it, "the Wailing Wall" is considered the holiest site in Israel by Jews and EVERYONE knows it.

So, if you want to really tick off the Jews, what would you do? Let's say, for instance, you were a Muslim who hated the Jews (not a hard thing to imagine, right?), if you poured pig blood down the side of the Western Wall from the Temple Mount above, would something like that cause prayers to cease? Then 1,290 days later, what if you set up something abominable there?

Herod didn't do anything remotely like this and neither did Titus. But, if this is a future event, logic would dictate that a war would break out in Jerusalem, hence the call by Jesus to flee Judea.

 
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Zone,

I appreciate all you posted about Dan 11. I pretty much agree with everything you said up and until verse 29 which starts with "At the appointed time."

Herod cannot be considered the "King of the North" or the "King of the South" or any other king relative to Dan 11:29-45. For starters, Herod was not engaged in any back and forth battles with another king during his reign, as Daniel is clearly stating. Additionally, Herod did nothing to defile the sanctuary or its fortress. Instead, Herod improved upon both. ]


he isn't called the king of the north or the south. the bible and history already tell us who that was.

Lastly, Jesus specifically makes mention of the "Abomination of Desolation as spoken of by Daniel, the prophet." Jesus speaks of this event as a future event and since Herod died in 1 BCE (some say 4 BCE but they are wrong), Herod could not have been the one Jesus spoke of. Jesus was not asked to show signs of things in the past, but rather things in the future. The temple wasn't destroyed until some 70+ years after Herod's death. The A of D is mentioned just twice by Daniel in Chapter 11 and 12 (not 9 as some claim). Therefore, Jesus could not be referencing Herod or Antiochus Epiphanes from the past.
I did not proceed to post on the HERODS who SUCCEEDED Herod the Great.
Herod Antipas was the one who dealt with Jesus
it's just too time consuming and ppl don't really care....but I could finish posting right through Daniel 12.

If you really study hard, this verse...

[SUP]31 [/SUP]And forces shall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation.

...you will find that "sacrifices" is in italics, meaning the word is NOT in the original text. Also, you will note that it isn't the sanctuary or temple that is defiled, rather it is the FORTRESS of the sanctuary which is defiled. The fortress is the WALL. In the first century AD, before the temple was destroyed, why would anyone want to defile the wall of the temple? The wall had no special religious significance back then.

Fast forward to today. The remaining piece of the old fortress (or wall) of the Temple has huge religious significance to Jews. In fact it is where Orthodox Jews gather daily for prayer. This wall, the "Western Wall" or as some call it, "the Wailing Wall" is considered the holiest site in Israel by Jews and EVERYONE knows it. .
the western wall is a roman fortress wall - Antonia.
not part of the temple.
they are worshipping at a roman artifice

So, if you want to really tick off the Jews, what would you do? Let's say, for instance, you were a Muslim who hated the Jews (not a hard thing to imagine, right?), if you poured pig blood down the side of the Western Wall from the Temple Mount above, would something like that cause prayers to cease? Then 1,290 days later, what if you set up something abominable there?

Herod didn't do anything remotely like this and neither did Titus. But, if this is a future event, logic would dictate that a war would break out in Jerusalem, hence the call by Jesus to flee Judea.
sorry Plain.
it's all fulfilled. no gaps in Daniel.
I won't even entertain the thought any longer.
been there done all that.
the scriptures must be reconciled with history before being considered for future.

everything Daniel says would happened have already happened.
love zone.
 

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But, if this is a future event, logic would dictate that a war would break out in Jerusalem, hence the call by Jesus to flee Judea.]
Jesus foretold of the roman army and titus, and it came to pass.
the ones who listened FLED and were saved.
the ones who didn't even when they saw Jerusalem surrounded by armies....and they perished.
about 200,000 were sent into captivity.

it's over. Thank You God.
 

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Zone,

Please tie this passage in with your theory. Use exact dates and events so I can see how the 1,290 days, and 1,335 days fit into your theory.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]“And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.

What exactly did Herod do to the Fortress to defile it and when did He do it?
What did Herod do to end the daily (sacrifices) as I think they continued until 70 AD?

What exactly did Herod set up which Jesus references here:

[SUP]15 [/SUP]“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), [SUP]16 [/SUP]“then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

During the reign of Herod, when did the people flee Judea?

I agree there are types and things in the past which on the surface seem to fit certain events. But if it doesn't fit completely, then it hasn't happened.

[SUP]21 [/SUP]For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Could the above statement be said about anything that happened during the reign of Herod? I'm not seeing it. How about Titus? Maybe. It caused a fleeing and scattering certainly which lasted nearly 1900 years. But even the Roman-Jewish war could not really be called the worst tribulation ever, right???

 

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Jesus foretold of the roman army and titus, and it came to pass.
the ones who listened FLED and were saved.
the ones who didn't even when they saw Jerusalem surrounded by armies....and they perished.
about 200,000 were sent into captivity.

it's over. Thank You God.
This part could fit Titus, as I mentioned, but not Herod as the one who defiled and took away the daily sacrifices. Daniel ties those events together and Jesus references them as future events.

If one really studies the Olivet Discourse, which I have for many, many years, one sees that the temple part of the discussion is not even part of the discourse. Jesus' comment here...

“Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”

...Took place while they were still on the Temple Mount. It was many hours later that they went to the Mount of Olives as Luke tells us here.

[SUP]37 [/SUP]And in the daytime He was teaching in the temple, but at night He went out and stayed on the mountain called Olivet.

Therefore the destruction of the temple in no way was part of the Olivet Discourse. Jesus never mentions the temple again after verse 2. Therefore, when Jesus was asked the question by Peter, James, John, and Andrew, Jesus answered it. There are three versions of the question asked. Matthew's account seems to be the best although neither Matthew, Mark or Luke were there to hear the question as it was asked.

“Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

We do not know what "these things be" related to, but we do know that the rest of the question dealt with the end of the age and (HIS) coming.

Would it make sense therefore for Jesus to give us a 2,000 year history lesson, or jump to events which closely precede His return? They asked for the signs. Would a sign taking place in 400 AD or 1,200 AD be a sign of the end and His return? Nope.

Let's not forget that Jesus later says this:

[SUP]34 [/SUP]Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.

All what things??? Jesus seems to be saying that one generation will see everything He just mentioned. Was the gospel preached to all the world back in AD 70 or at the time of Herod? I don't think so.
 
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