When someone speaks in tongues in church, is it mandatory for it to be translated?
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Given that there are no miraculous languages and humans use human languages then I guess it's obvious that most of this stuff is simply made up and not biblical.
Men have vivid imaginations and left unchecked by biblical wisdom they will run amuck.
Mans will must be surrendered to Gods will.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Men have vivid imaginations and left unchecked by biblical wisdom they will run amuck.
Mans will must be surrendered to Gods will.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I would say it is not about a time and a place .The commandment is to go out into the world with the gospel among the different nations .Probably why Paul spoke in tongues more than some . This is when God was still bringing new prophecy .He sealed up the at possibility, adding a warning to all who would try and add to it after some outward experience they have.
He has given us a exact template as a law not subject to change. In that way no man can serve two masters .Tongues outwardly is a sign to the rebellious, those who believe not(no faith). While prophecy as the same spirit of faith according as it is written is for those who are given the faith that comes from hearing God so that they can believe (have faith) . Its the law (will I speak ) The signs to the rebellious speak for-themselves.
The template...
In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the LORD. Wherefore 'tongues" are for a sign, not to them that believe, (have faith) but to them that believe not:(no faith) but "prophesying" serveth not for them that believe not,(no faith) but for them which believe.(have faith)1Co 14:21
This is a exclusive faith coming as Christ work of faith, not of our own selves by something we could do outwardly as evidence one has the Holy Spirit
Signs or prophecy? The unbelieving Jews sought after signs as their way of false worship .Christ rebuked them for seeking after signs. The cross was a stumbling block to the unbelieving Jew .It took away there false pride that comes from outward signs they could perform after their own experiences.
He has given us a exact template as a law not subject to change. In that way no man can serve two masters .Tongues outwardly is a sign to the rebellious, those who believe not(no faith). While prophecy as the same spirit of faith according as it is written is for those who are given the faith that comes from hearing God so that they can believe (have faith) . Its the law (will I speak ) The signs to the rebellious speak for-themselves.
The template...
In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the LORD. Wherefore 'tongues" are for a sign, not to them that believe, (have faith) but to them that believe not:(no faith) but "prophesying" serveth not for them that believe not,(no faith) but for them which believe.(have faith)1Co 14:21
This is a exclusive faith coming as Christ work of faith, not of our own selves by something we could do outwardly as evidence one has the Holy Spirit
Signs or prophecy? The unbelieving Jews sought after signs as their way of false worship .Christ rebuked them for seeking after signs. The cross was a stumbling block to the unbelieving Jew .It took away there false pride that comes from outward signs they could perform after their own experiences.
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How it is said is what determines if a person is "hearing God" . We cannot make up ways.God does not speak to us in an language He does not understand anymore than we could speak to Him a secret language we do not understand, as some sort of secret prayer language .
Tongues is a work of God. He gives His word to the speaker the one sent by the authority of God, as well as interpreting it to the believer it is after nor man. His gifts are twofold never to edify one person but the faith that comes from hearing God, it mutually edifies both.
2Co 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
Tongues are a new revelations as prophecy as an interpretation from God. God is no longer bring any new revelations in any manner to include a tongue. .
The things accredited to men as proof they have the Spirit of God..... or that of God, as the things of God ? Which master?
Tongues is a work of God. He gives His word to the speaker the one sent by the authority of God, as well as interpreting it to the believer it is after nor man. His gifts are twofold never to edify one person but the faith that comes from hearing God, it mutually edifies both.
2Co 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
Tongues are a new revelations as prophecy as an interpretation from God. God is no longer bring any new revelations in any manner to include a tongue. .
The things accredited to men as proof they have the Spirit of God..... or that of God, as the things of God ? Which master?
This is one of those great questions that matter of opinion does not matter the Scripture is black and white on the subject. G-d’s answer is the answer: I Corinthians 14:1-25 Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For anyone who speaks in a tongue[SUP][a][/SUP] does not speak to people but to G-d. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit. [SUP]3 [/SUP]But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one who prophesies edifies the church. [SUP]5 [/SUP]I would like every one of you to speak in tongues,[SUP][b][/SUP]but I would rather have you prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues,[SUP][c][/SUP] unless someone interprets, so that the church may be edified.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Now, brothers and sisters, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction? [SUP]7 [/SUP]Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the pipe or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? [SUP]8 [/SUP]Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle?[SUP]9 [/SUP]So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. [SUP]11 [/SUP]If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and the speaker is a foreigner to me. [SUP]12 [/SUP]So it is with you. Since you are eager for gifts of the Spirit, try to excel in those that build up the church.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For this reason the one who speaks in a tongue should pray that they may interpret what they say. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. [SUP]15 [/SUP]So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my understanding; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my understanding. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Otherwise when you are praising G-d in the Spirit, how can someone else, who is now put in the position of an inquirer,[SUP][d][/SUP] say “Amen” to your thanksgiving, since they do not know what you are saying? [SUP]17 [/SUP]You are giving thanks well enough, but no one else is edified.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]I thank G-d that I speak in tongues more than all of you. [SUP]19 [/SUP]But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Brothers and sisters, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults. [SUP]21 [/SUP]In the Law it is written:
“With other tongues
and through the lips of foreigners
I will speak to this people,
but even then they will not listen to me,
says the Lord.”[SUP][e][/SUP]
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is not for unbelievers but for believers. [SUP]23 [/SUP]So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and inquirers or unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind? [SUP]24 [/SUP]But if an unbeliever or an inquirer comes in while everyone is prophesying, they are convicted of sin and are brought under judgment by all, [SUP]25 [/SUP]as the secrets of their hearts are laid bare. So they will fall down and worship G-d, exclaiming, “G-d is really among you!”
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Now, brothers and sisters, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction? [SUP]7 [/SUP]Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the pipe or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? [SUP]8 [/SUP]Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle?[SUP]9 [/SUP]So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. [SUP]11 [/SUP]If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and the speaker is a foreigner to me. [SUP]12 [/SUP]So it is with you. Since you are eager for gifts of the Spirit, try to excel in those that build up the church.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For this reason the one who speaks in a tongue should pray that they may interpret what they say. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. [SUP]15 [/SUP]So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my understanding; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my understanding. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Otherwise when you are praising G-d in the Spirit, how can someone else, who is now put in the position of an inquirer,[SUP][d][/SUP] say “Amen” to your thanksgiving, since they do not know what you are saying? [SUP]17 [/SUP]You are giving thanks well enough, but no one else is edified.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]I thank G-d that I speak in tongues more than all of you. [SUP]19 [/SUP]But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Brothers and sisters, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults. [SUP]21 [/SUP]In the Law it is written:
“With other tongues
and through the lips of foreigners
I will speak to this people,
but even then they will not listen to me,
says the Lord.”[SUP][e][/SUP]
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is not for unbelievers but for believers. [SUP]23 [/SUP]So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and inquirers or unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind? [SUP]24 [/SUP]But if an unbeliever or an inquirer comes in while everyone is prophesying, they are convicted of sin and are brought under judgment by all, [SUP]25 [/SUP]as the secrets of their hearts are laid bare. So they will fall down and worship G-d, exclaiming, “G-d is really among you!”
What if someone stands up after that and says, 'Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God'?
If scripture in Hebrew or Greek edifies the congregation (if they understand it) feel free to quote scripture in church. But if it doesn't, and there is no one to interpret it, don't, since all things are to be done unto edifying.
If scripture in Hebrew or Greek edifies the congregation (if they understand it) feel free to quote scripture in church. But if it doesn't, and there is no one to interpret it, don't, since all things are to be done unto edifying.
'Decency and in order' mean's the Lord's order, the order consistent with 'the commandments of the Lord' in the passage. This is not about 'being traditional' having traditional hymns, a traditional sermon. Paul isn't talking about the order of a Protestant church in the Reformation. He is talking about the order in the passage. When an individual in the church shares a psalm, teaching, tongue, revelation, or interpretation, it needs to be done unto edifying. The Lord's order allows for someone to speak in tongues and another to interpret as verses 27-28 say. The Lord's order allows for the prophets to speak two or three and to let the other judge. It has the prophet hold his peace if another sitting by receives a revelation, and allows for all to prophesy, etc.
The order allows for expression of various 'charisma' in a way that edifies the body.
The order allows for expression of various 'charisma' in a way that edifies the body.
I find it amazing at how much blindness and disconnect satan has managed to sow into the church and among believers.
Scripture says that prophecy will glorify God and edify the assembly. I see prophecy that glorifies God and edifies the assembly. I have to think that what God says and what I see are related.
Likewise, scripture says private tongues will glorify God and edify the believer. I see believers use personal tongues which edifies them and glorifies God. I have to believe that what scripture says and what I see are related.
And yet so many of us are totally unable to make that connection. It's like if God had said "stick your finger in a light socket and you'll get electrocuted". They'll say "oh no, not any more, God turned off the switch". And yet they are afraid to actually go stick their finger into the light socket and test that theory out.
There is one thing God said, and said very clearly so as not to be easily confused or dismissed. 1 Cor 14:39 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. Think whatever you want about any other part of it, interpret the how and why of it as you like, but this is not subject to interpretation. If you forbid prophecy and tongues you are in direct and clear violation of God's word on the subject. Period, end of sentence, drop the mic. There's no way you can twist that into anything other than a clear order/command/edict to NOT FORBID IT.
1 Cor 14:39 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues.
Because the Light switch is still on.
Scripture says that prophecy will glorify God and edify the assembly. I see prophecy that glorifies God and edifies the assembly. I have to think that what God says and what I see are related.
Likewise, scripture says private tongues will glorify God and edify the believer. I see believers use personal tongues which edifies them and glorifies God. I have to believe that what scripture says and what I see are related.
And yet so many of us are totally unable to make that connection. It's like if God had said "stick your finger in a light socket and you'll get electrocuted". They'll say "oh no, not any more, God turned off the switch". And yet they are afraid to actually go stick their finger into the light socket and test that theory out.
There is one thing God said, and said very clearly so as not to be easily confused or dismissed. 1 Cor 14:39 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. Think whatever you want about any other part of it, interpret the how and why of it as you like, but this is not subject to interpretation. If you forbid prophecy and tongues you are in direct and clear violation of God's word on the subject. Period, end of sentence, drop the mic. There's no way you can twist that into anything other than a clear order/command/edict to NOT FORBID IT.
1 Cor 14:39 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues.
Because the Light switch is still on.
Yes God does all the work, nothing is accredited to the flesh, after what we do is walking by sight, Like speaking words that God who is not served by human hands puts on the tongue of a creature and God interprets into another language. Peter was not accredited as a sign gift just because he experienced Christ working in Him.The same with those who were given the hearing of faith as God interpreted into a language they could understand so they could understand Him ,not Peter..
Tongue is prophecy.All prophecy is of God not one word of man.Tongues are not of men. God is no longer bringing any new prophecy in any manner, to include a tongue.
Why would men desire more that He has revealed puzzles myself? ?
By that kind of idea he is still bringing new prophecy Islam it is has the foundation in respect to a false prophet call Mohamed. He failed the test to not add or subtract from that which is written. God sent him a strong delusion so that he could believe the lie that the Holy Spirit is still adding new prophecy..
God put His words In Peters mouth (not of Peter's will ) and the Holy Spirit interpreted it to those who did not speak the language ,not of Peter as a gift of tongues .
Peter was not accredited for the work any more that the men that did receive the understanding in their own language .His gifts not seen are two fold, never to edify one self ( self righteousness)
There is nothing we can do outwardly and call that experience,a sign gift to prove one has the Spirit of Christ. Attributing the work of God to men brings chaos and confusion. In the end of the matter it is called blasphemy.
Tongue is prophecy.All prophecy is of God not one word of man.Tongues are not of men. God is no longer bringing any new prophecy in any manner, to include a tongue.
Why would men desire more that He has revealed puzzles myself? ?
By that kind of idea he is still bringing new prophecy Islam it is has the foundation in respect to a false prophet call Mohamed. He failed the test to not add or subtract from that which is written. God sent him a strong delusion so that he could believe the lie that the Holy Spirit is still adding new prophecy..
God put His words In Peters mouth (not of Peter's will ) and the Holy Spirit interpreted it to those who did not speak the language ,not of Peter as a gift of tongues .
Peter was not accredited for the work any more that the men that did receive the understanding in their own language .His gifts not seen are two fold, never to edify one self ( self righteousness)
There is nothing we can do outwardly and call that experience,a sign gift to prove one has the Spirit of Christ. Attributing the work of God to men brings chaos and confusion. In the end of the matter it is called blasphemy.
It is true we are approaching, perhaps entering now, the very last heartbeats of this age, therefore, according ot the wonderful prophet, Daniel, any who have any knowledge and wisdomin the most High's ways will be helped with little help'.
Even thought the Holy people will be (are) scattered many will yet utter words from our Father, in its due moment.
There is also hearing in the language of angels and understanding it in words though the messages is not delivered in words. I know becaue when the Holy Spirit came into me the message in words turned out to be 2Everything is goign to be jsut fine." This was jsut for me because of my pettitions and pleadings to the One Who Is. This message did not have a voice or words, yet itw was understood right on the spot.
It is important to know, to believe, God's ways are not man's ways. Do not fear, He can do anytig with no effort whatsoever. Also, fear not because Jesus Christ has ov ercome the world for us all. Praise God, amen.
Even thought the Holy people will be (are) scattered many will yet utter words from our Father, in its due moment.
There is also hearing in the language of angels and understanding it in words though the messages is not delivered in words. I know becaue when the Holy Spirit came into me the message in words turned out to be 2Everything is goign to be jsut fine." This was jsut for me because of my pettitions and pleadings to the One Who Is. This message did not have a voice or words, yet itw was understood right on the spot.
It is important to know, to believe, God's ways are not man's ways. Do not fear, He can do anytig with no effort whatsoever. Also, fear not because Jesus Christ has ov ercome the world for us all. Praise God, amen.
Personally I speak in tongues all the time during worship in church settings BUT no one would ever hear me as I speak quietly as the scripture says so that it doesn't distract others.
I also see no problem in a setting where speaking in tongues by praying to our Father is accepted by all - for a time when a leader can say.."Let's spend some time praying in the spirit to our Father as a corporate body." There is no need for an interpretation here because we are praying as a unit to the Father.
I would have a problem with people speaking out loud in tongues while someone else is talking "to" the assembly. That would be unorderly and chaotic and distracting as the scripture says.
I also see no problem in a setting where speaking in tongues by praying to our Father is accepted by all - for a time when a leader can say.."Let's spend some time praying in the spirit to our Father as a corporate body." There is no need for an interpretation here because we are praying as a unit to the Father.
I would have a problem with people speaking out loud in tongues while someone else is talking "to" the assembly. That would be unorderly and chaotic and distracting as the scripture says.