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"So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God." - Romans 10:17. I've seen a translation say "and the message is heard through the word about Christ" or "and hearing through the word of Christ", but either way, it's hearing the Word of God (since Christ = the Word).
It doesn't have to happen suddenly. The point is that it happens. And the Word of God does have power that other words just don't have. "For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart." - Hebrews 4:12
What other words do that? Sounds like some "magical properties" to me--rather, spiritual power.
"So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God." - Romans 10:17. I've seen a translation say "and the message is heard through the word about Christ" or "and hearing through the word of Christ", but either way, it's hearing the Word of God (since Christ = the Word).
It doesn't have to happen suddenly. The point is that it happens. And the Word of God does have power that other words just don't have. "For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart." - Hebrews 4:12
What other words do that? Sounds like some "magical properties" to me--rather, spiritual power.
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Just came to think of something when I was flipping through this thread. Why this urge to be ganging up on people? Once some poster goes against the mainstream thread content people start bashing that person. Why is that?
Disagrements, yes, please, but unleashing all the dirt you've got stocked up where your brain is supposed to be when someone doesn't agree with your holy opinion, no, I don't understand why that is necessary.
Disagrements, yes, please, but unleashing all the dirt you've got stocked up where your brain is supposed to be when someone doesn't agree with your holy opinion, no, I don't understand why that is necessary.
Yes, and that’s what I was saying. We must tell them the truth in love. However, we can’t just pick out parts of the truth to talk about. We must speak the whole truth.
I don’t think we should just go out with guns blazing on folks, and start a conversation with any sinner by straight out calling them out on their sin no matter what it is. I think we should tell them of God’s love and how he wants to save everyone and give them a new life filled with hope, forgiveness, love, peace, and happiness.
Now that is the truth, but we can’t leave out the rest of the truth. We also must tell them that in order to receive salvation, we must humble ourselves down and repent of our wrong doings. We can’t go against the word of God and try to justify sin.
I don’t think we should just go out with guns blazing on folks, and start a conversation with any sinner by straight out calling them out on their sin no matter what it is. I think we should tell them of God’s love and how he wants to save everyone and give them a new life filled with hope, forgiveness, love, peace, and happiness.
Now that is the truth, but we can’t leave out the rest of the truth. We also must tell them that in order to receive salvation, we must humble ourselves down and repent of our wrong doings. We can’t go against the word of God and try to justify sin.
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You cant come to God unless He first draw you. The Bible says how can one hear unless someone is sent... You cannot just speak the word and it do any good.. If so look at how many people still go to hell and don't believe even tho they have heard the word.. Prerequisites must be in place... What Dude said is correct.. Everyone wants to argue just bc its the Bible mentioned but they leave out common sense
What do we suppose Paul meant when he said that? Did he mean that he stood there and quoted the words of the "Bible" at them?........ and, By God! they better get it or else it's then all ON THEM, and he was cleared of any responsibility or concern about them.... because he "did his duty?"
Or, did he mean that he was going to do his best to help them see Jesus... even if he had to talk about the value he saw in their worship and speak of how their own poets thought (both of which, he did)..... whatever he had to do.
Or, did he mean that he was going to do his best to help them see Jesus... even if he had to talk about the value he saw in their worship and speak of how their own poets thought (both of which, he did)..... whatever he had to do.
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Well yeah, some people will not believe right upon hearing, or ever. We might have been the one God sent; in fact, we are sent as disciples to spread the Good News to the nations. That's being sent. Some will deny the message until the day they die, but that doesn't mean we know who those people are up front; we just share the Word and have hope. But chances are they won't come to faith without ever hearing the message.
So before we speak God's Word, are we supposed to ask the person if God is drawing them first? Who is God not drawing? I don't get this "speaking the Word is useless because somebody might go to hell anyway" mentality. We know someone might go to hell, and we introduce them to the way to Heaven anyway. I'm glad somebody did that for me and didn't keep it to themselves because I might not have believed (or they didn't know if God was drawing me, or if they were sent, yada yada).
What Dude said is still not correct, because while to that person who doesn't believe, there may be no differentiation between the Bible and any other books in their carnal mind, there still is a spiritual difference in reality, and a huge one at that. Anyone who has ever denied God's Word at any point, came to their lowest point in life, and got on their knees and cried out to the God that someone had the heart to tell them about by sharing God's Word even to an unbeliever actively in denial, knows that. The battle is spiritual. So no, it's not true that you might as well be quoting Harry Potter (or anything else, for that matter), in the spirit realm, which we are supposed to be operating in.
I don't understand why this is even a debate.
So before we speak God's Word, are we supposed to ask the person if God is drawing them first? Who is God not drawing? I don't get this "speaking the Word is useless because somebody might go to hell anyway" mentality. We know someone might go to hell, and we introduce them to the way to Heaven anyway. I'm glad somebody did that for me and didn't keep it to themselves because I might not have believed (or they didn't know if God was drawing me, or if they were sent, yada yada).
What Dude said is still not correct, because while to that person who doesn't believe, there may be no differentiation between the Bible and any other books in their carnal mind, there still is a spiritual difference in reality, and a huge one at that. Anyone who has ever denied God's Word at any point, came to their lowest point in life, and got on their knees and cried out to the God that someone had the heart to tell them about by sharing God's Word even to an unbeliever actively in denial, knows that. The battle is spiritual. So no, it's not true that you might as well be quoting Harry Potter (or anything else, for that matter), in the spirit realm, which we are supposed to be operating in.
I don't understand why this is even a debate.
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That's what happens with bullies who are insecure, instead of standing on their own, they run with the pack as they have their own unresolved issues. On their walk with Christ, they'd rather have approval from their peers in public than stand alone and live for Jesus in every breath they take. Nothing from that behaviour is going to inspire people to come to Christ much less comprehend the scriptures they're reciting off regarding homosexuality. JesusLives had a fantastic summary of this earlier in the thread.
Reread the first couple sentences of your post:
You cant come to God unless He first draw you. The Bible says how can one hear unless someone is sent... You cannot just speak the word and it do any good..
How does God draw someone if not by his Word and how can one hear unless someone is sent? You have actually answered this for yourself. The word of God is the seed that we must sow. We only sow the word. We cannot make it take hold and grow. I'll agree with you in that it is not our place to argue with anyone about it.
But as MultilingualMessenger has already posted the word of God is powerful and sharper than a two edged sword. It is a discerner of the thoughts and is where the drawing and convicting of the Lord takes place. Without hearing the word of God, I would not have known that I needed him and would not have been convicted to repentance so that I could receive salvation.
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
You cant come to God unless He first draw you. The Bible says how can one hear unless someone is sent... You cannot just speak the word and it do any good..
How does God draw someone if not by his Word and how can one hear unless someone is sent? You have actually answered this for yourself. The word of God is the seed that we must sow. We only sow the word. We cannot make it take hold and grow. I'll agree with you in that it is not our place to argue with anyone about it.
But as MultilingualMessenger has already posted the word of God is powerful and sharper than a two edged sword. It is a discerner of the thoughts and is where the drawing and convicting of the Lord takes place. Without hearing the word of God, I would not have known that I needed him and would not have been convicted to repentance so that I could receive salvation.
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Not trying to offend you, but I felt like I should hold your own words up as mirror for you here. By our own words we shall be justified and by our own words we shall be condemned.
Now this is just one instance where I have seen you do the same thing that you condemned others of in your post. We should all know that lip service will get us nowhere with God, and actions speak louder than words.
So let’s examine what you said and what you did here.
1. Instead of standing on their own they run with packs: Looks to me like throughout many of your posts you have called out names of people you agree with and tried to form an allegiance with certain posters while condemning others…..Would that be trying to form a pack of your own to run with?
2. They’d rather have approval from their peers in public than stand alone and live for Jesus... Who here is posting a screen shot of their own reps? Is that not trying to get approval from peers in public?
I find it hard to stomach that you condemn this type of behavior, when you seem to be engaging in the exact same behavior that you are condemning.[/QUOTE]
1ofthem, read Tintin's post about Laura. It speaks for itself. She is always like that. And as far as her posting her reps for all to see, she is the ONLY one in ANY of the forums, that I have ever seen do that. :/ No one else here shows off their reps.. I and many others here have her on ignore.
1ofthem, read Tintin's post about Laura. It speaks for itself. She is always like that. And as far as her posting her reps for all to see, she is the ONLY one in ANY of the forums, that I have ever seen do that. :/ No one else here shows off their reps.. I and many others here have her on ignore.[/QUOTE]
Yes, he was able to get straight to the point in his post. It's just so hard to watch someone accuse people of certain behaviors when they are committing the same things they are accusing others of engaging in and to an even higher degree. I guess that might be what the Bible is talking about where it says some will gag at a gnat but swallow a camel.
Yes, he was able to get straight to the point in his post. It's just so hard to watch someone accuse people of certain behaviors when they are committing the same things they are accusing others of engaging in and to an even higher degree. I guess that might be what the Bible is talking about where it says some will gag at a gnat but swallow a camel.
