What makes homosexuality so bad?

[Tommy379]

Tommy379

Originally Posted by MultilingualMessenger

Why are you so focused on pathologizing humans who are against what GOD is against?

You talk about Christians focusing on homosexuality so much...Do you think that people who are against adultery must have latent adulterous desires? Do you think people who are against theft are undercover thieves? Do you think people who are against gluttony are all gluttons? Do you think people who are against abortion are all secretly pro-abortion? Or is your accusation of latent desires of a specific sin onlyfor people against homosexuality? Because if so, it is you who is focusing on homosexuality.

You can accuse (falsely) all day that people who are against homosexuality are latent homosexuals, but what can you say against GOD, who is against homosexuality and all these sins, and has no latent tendency towards any of them? What you think of the people who quote Him should be of no consequence, because you pointing towards people's supposed (imagined) latent tendencies is dancing around the greater point that God is against it. Period. GOD, who is perfect. Enough about us; what can you say against Him?

And for good measure: "Do not be misled: bad company ruins good morals."



He is just trying to call us gay like a 14 year old.





People that tell the truth always get attacked by others. IF homosexuality and that it is against gods laws is a question for anyone that person is no Christian. I call them " only christians by name" . If someone doesn`t like what god has to say he is free to do as he wishes. He will go to hell and that is that. No need to argue about it. It is the persons problem not my problem not gods problem. Jesus is THE judge and he will send you where you chosen to be in a blink of an eye. You can sit there in hell and argue with the rest of the inmates about the Homos and bi`s and lesbians and all of the rest of the sickos for ever. But we that do not gonna be there, we have the freedom to tell you that and walk away from you. You all got told , you refuse? Your probem not our problem. And this wimp stuff about buhh those bad Christians they should love us sínners.sorry that shit doesn`t fly wit me. I know better for I CAN read.

Hello Demi's mom.

I think I follow you.

A sin is a sin, they all separate us from God.

 

[Nat777]

Dude653 I talking about humans, who have sexual desires and feelings. What possible reason would anyone have to be threatened by homosexuality? Is gayness contagious?


Why are you in a Christian Forum? Your own words clearly show you are NOT a believer. So what do you want ? IF all it is you want to know is what god says about it ask. And do not talk about stuff u have nothing inteligent to say about. Is there no pro homo forum online you can go and talk about your hobby?

 

[Nat777]

Tommy379 no need to follow any human. Follow god. No human can lead you to heaven but they can lead you to hell. Number one rule in life Tom.

 

[Tommy379]

Tommy379 no need to follow any human. Follow god. No human can lead you to heaven but they can lead you to hell. Number one rule in life Tom.

"I follow you" is a saying around here that means "I understand what you say."

You should see all the sins the churches around here are ok with. I don't know why they pick some to be worse than others. Some sins, the churches don't think are sins. They should all know, the wages for all sins is death.

 

[Desertsrose]

God calls it an abomination. What are His latent tendencies?

Look what else is an abomination:

• Unclean things (Lev. 7:21)
• Customs of pagans (Lev. 18:30)
• Idols (2 Chr. 15:8; 1 Pet. 4:3)
• Sins of men (Ps. 14:1; 53:1)
• Cheating (Mic. 6:10)
• Lost souls (Rev. 21:8)
• A froward man (perverse; one who turns aside (Pro. 3:32; 11:20)
• A proud look (Pro. 6:16-17)
• A lying tongue (Pro. 6:17; 12:22)
• Hands that shed innocent blood ((Pro. 6:17)
• A wicked scheming heart (Pro. 6:18)
• Feet that are quick to sin (Pro. 6:18)
• A false witness that speaks lies (Pro. 6:19)
• A sower of discord (Pro. 6:19)
• Wickedness (Pro. 8:7)
• A false balance or scale (Pro. 11:1)
• Sacrifices of the wicked (Pro. 15:8; 21:27)
• The way of the wicked (Pro. 15:9)
• The thoughts of the wicked (Pro. 15:26)
• The proud of heart (Pro. 16:5)
• Justifying the wicked (Pro. 17:15)
• Condemning the just (Pro. 17:15)
• Divers, dishonest weights (Pro. 20:10, 23)
• Divers, dishonest measures (Pro. 20:10)
• Refusing to hear the law (Pro. 28:9)
• Prayers of the rebel (Pro. 28:9)
• Eating flesh of peace offerings on the 3rd day (Lev. 7:18)
• Some same sex acts (Lev. 18:22; 20:13; Dt. 23:18)
• Taking ornaments from idols when being destroyed (Dt. 7:25-26)
• Any Idolatrous practices (Dt. 12:31; 13:14; 17:4; 18:9; 20:18; 29:17)
• Offering an imperfect animal to God as a sacrifice (Dt. 17:1)
• Any traffic with demons (Dt. 18:7-12)
• Wearing clothes of the opposite sex (Dt. 22:5) See
• Bringing the hire of a harlot or sodomite into God's house (Dt. 23:18)
• Re-marriage of former companions (Dt. 24:1-4)
• Cheating others (Dt. 25:13-16)
• Making images/idols (Dt. 27:15)
• Idols of Ammon (1 Ki. 11:5)
• Idols of Moab (1 Ki. 11:7; 2 Ki. 11:13)
• Idols of Zidon (2 Ki. 23:13)
• Incense offered by hypocrites (Isa. 1:13)
• Eating unclean things (Isa. 66:17)
• Offering human sacrifices (Jer. 32:35)
• Robbery (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
• Murder (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
• Adultery (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
• Oppression of others, particularly the poor or vulnerable (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
• Violence (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
• Breaking vows (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
• Lending with interest to a brother (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
• Lying with a menstruous woman (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
• Hardness of heart (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
• Injustice (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
• Worship of anti-Christ (Dan. 11:31; 12:11; Mt. 24:15; 2 Th. 2:4; Rev. 13)
• Incest (Lev. 19: 6-30)
• Things highly esteemed by man (Lk. 16:15)
• Many other sins of the nations (Lev. 18: 26-29; Dt. 18: 9-12; 20:18; 29:17; 1 Ki. 14:24; 21:2, 11; 23:24; 2 Chr. 28:3; 33:2; 34:33; 36:14; Ezek. 7: 3-20; 8: 6-17; 16: 2-58; 20: 4-30; Rev. 17: 4-5)

It is abundantly clear from scripture that ALL SIN is considered an abomination by God. While one can debate degrees of seriousness and punishment for sin, it is clear that, according to the Bible, ALL sin is an abomination!

 

[Nat777]

Tommy379 "I follow you" is a saying around here that means "I understand what you say."

You should see all the sins the churches around here are ok with. I don't know why they pick some to be worse than others. Some sins, the churches don't think are sins. They should all know, the wages for all sins is death.


It will get worse. That is one of the reasons I refuse to be part of a church. I know what you mean. And I cannot sit in a church like that and listen to it. That is not me. And I can not see that this is what god wants. How can you be with god if they tell you it is ok to do this or that knowing that is not what he said. They are taking Jesus out of the Church now and they also stat this Chrislam. Reading what Jesus told us about the end times tells us exactly what is going on. I am happy to hear you notice the negative in churches and do not allow it to efect you. Only a few of us will be standing at the end. Most will fall for the false doctrin. People point out Sodom and Gomorra but Jesus said it will be like before the flood. THAT is what makes my hair stand up. Sodom and Gomorroa where bad but the times of Noah worse. And that is how it will be plus the hate against Christians will be worse. Kis will turn against parents and betray them. We will be fearing for our lifes. If you can not stand ground right now how can people facing that situation make it? That is my focus. And that is what gives me the motivation to walk on and trun away from false teaching and speak out against it. Doesn`t matter if people like it or not. That is the only way for me to not get frustrted. And it is getting harder by the day. BUT it is worth it.
One thing I often see is people saying = My pastor says , or my preacher said......One of the things I put my hand up and say stop! I do not care what your preacher or pasor says and so shouldn`t you! The only thing is WHAT does god say. Go from there.
God bless

 

[Nat777]

@Desertrose. Correct and that leads to one more thing many do not see. Eating animals that got killed in the name of /for a other god. I am pointing out Halal Food. Many Christians do not know and do not care. But every Halal animal is butchert in the name and FOR Allah. You eat that as a Christian you have a problem!
Following god is getting harder by the hour. Christians need to wake up and learn. We have to work together and inform one another. Good post!!!

 

[Nat777]

willie-T I have to copy and paste the quotes , reply incl quote for some reason doesn`t work for me. BUT I just do it like that hope it makes it easier.

 

[Demi777]

lol you cant get over the dumb babbler cant you lol!!

I was actually referring to Demi.. She is a very astute teacher, IMO..


That wasn`t the point here for I am not 16. And this Dummbabbeler trying to tell me what to do ...nope I do not think so. lol But he can trie that again at the day when hell freezes over...

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[Tintin]

Beating people over the head with a Bible doesn't work. Especially if you are dealing with someone who doesn't believe in the Bible. You're just beating a dead horse. I just treat them with the same kindness and respect I would treat any other human being. Maybe they'll come around, maybe they won't.

I'm all for treating homosexuals with the same kindness and respect too. But that's completely different from letting them do whatever the heck they want and letting the militant ones destroy society.

 

[JesusLives]

We don't treat the other sins the way we treat homosexuality though.... I don't see threads of lets correct the thief because there are a bunch of thieves out there stealing everyday, but I don't see Christians go all hellfire and brimstone on them.... maybe because a lot of thieves work after dark and all the good Christians are in bed? lol

Then the adultery one.... You are married you already have someone to love and you are loving more than you should you will burn in Hell.... I don't see those threads so much either....

What about the liars? Why smoke would be ascending now as there are some not so much truths even spread on some of these threads.... anyone smell smoke?

All I am saying is homosexuality does not get a pass but Christians come flocking to condemn them quickly when there are so many other sins that are even in our own lives that we should be working on with the Holy Spirits help to get under control for our own selves than to beat down those with a different sexual preference.... You know kind of like to him who has never sinned cast the first stone or maybe light the match.....

God is against ALL forms of SIN and they un-repented will earn a ticket to the bonfire.

 

[missy2014]

I'm all for treating homosexuals with the same kindness and respect too. But that's completely different from letting them do whatever the heck they want and letting the militant ones destroy society.

cough ...bingo

 

[Magenta]

Look what else is an abomination:

• Unclean things (Lev. 7:21)
• Customs of pagans (Lev. 18:30)
• Idols (2 Chr. 15:8; 1 Pet. 4:3)
• Sins of men (Ps. 14:1; 53:1)
• Cheating (Mic. 6:10)
• Lost souls (Rev. 21:8)
• A froward man (perverse; one who turns aside (Pro. 3:32; 11:20)
• A proud look (Pro. 6:16-17)
• A lying tongue (Pro. 6:17; 12:22)
• Hands that shed innocent blood ((Pro. 6:17)
• A wicked scheming heart (Pro. 6:18)
• Feet that are quick to sin (Pro. 6:18)
• A false witness that speaks lies (Pro. 6:19)
• A sower of discord (Pro. 6:19)
• Wickedness (Pro. 8:7)
• A false balance or scale (Pro. 11:1)
• Sacrifices of the wicked (Pro. 15:8; 21:27)
• The way of the wicked (Pro. 15:9)
• The thoughts of the wicked (Pro. 15:26)
• The proud of heart (Pro. 16:5)
• Justifying the wicked (Pro. 17:15)
• Condemning the just (Pro. 17:15)
• Divers, dishonest weights (Pro. 20:10, 23)
• Divers, dishonest measures (Pro. 20:10)
• Refusing to hear the law (Pro. 28:9)
• Prayers of the rebel (Pro. 28:9)
• Eating flesh of peace offerings on the 3rd day (Lev. 7:18)
• Some same sex acts (Lev. 18:22; 20:13; Dt. 23:18)
• Taking ornaments from idols when being destroyed (Dt. 7:25-26)
• Any Idolatrous practices (Dt. 12:31; 13:14; 17:4; 18:9; 20:18; 29:17)
• Offering an imperfect animal to God as a sacrifice (Dt. 17:1)
• Any traffic with demons (Dt. 18:7-12)
• Wearing clothes of the opposite sex (Dt. 22:5) See
• Bringing the hire of a harlot or sodomite into God's house (Dt. 23:18)
• Re-marriage of former companions (Dt. 24:1-4)
• Cheating others (Dt. 25:13-16)
• Making images/idols (Dt. 27:15)
• Idols of Ammon (1 Ki. 11:5)
• Idols of Moab (1 Ki. 11:7; 2 Ki. 11:13)
• Idols of Zidon (2 Ki. 23:13)
• Incense offered by hypocrites (Isa. 1:13)
• Eating unclean things (Isa. 66:17)
• Offering human sacrifices (Jer. 32:35)
• Robbery (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
• Murder (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
• Adultery (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
• Oppression of others, particularly the poor or vulnerable (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
• Violence (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
• Breaking vows (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
• Lending with interest to a brother (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
• Lying with a menstruous woman (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
• Hardness of heart (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
• Injustice (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
• Worship of anti-Christ (Dan. 11:31; 12:11; Mt. 24:15; 2 Th. 2:4; Rev. 13)
• Incest (Lev. 19: 6-30)
• Things highly esteemed by man (Lk. 16:15)
• Many other sins of the nations (Lev. 18: 26-29; Dt. 18: 9-12; 20:18; 29:17; 1 Ki. 14:24; 21:2, 11; 23:24; 2 Chr. 28:3; 33:2; 34:33; 36:14; Ezek. 7: 3-20; 8: 6-17; 16: 2-58; 20: 4-30; Rev. 17: 4-5)

It is abundantly clear from scripture that ALL SIN is considered an abomination by God. While one can debate degrees of seriousness and punishment for sin, it is clear that, according to the Bible, ALL sin is an abomination!

Some call it a sin not to include sources

What are abominations according to the Bible?

 

[missy2014]

why does all the teens and 24yr old know better vocab and conveying/ construction of ideas better than me ?
#smacks face with a fake caterpillar # - that things a little scary it scared a me little reminds me of terantula

Mulilingual messenger said 'latent' I know latex glovess... um

 

[Tommy379]

why does all the teens and 24yr old know better vocab and conveying/ construction of ideas better than me ?
#smacks face with a fake caterpillar # - that things a little scary it scared a me little reminds me of terantula

Mulilingual messenger said 'latent' I know latex glovess... um

Latent means it is unseen. Like a latent fingerprint, it is unseen until revealed by finely ground volcanic rock.

 

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she doesn't believe, you first need to lay that foundation. tell her who Christ is, tells her who God is. then she can see who she is in Him. then you let God and His word work on her heart.....

Fantastic! In all the uneducated hysteria, you were one of the first to post multiple scriptures in context and, going further, to illustrate the psychology behind her mindset therein illustrating what inspiring change would require.

 

[Susanna]

We don't treat the other sins the way we treat homosexuality though.... I don't see threads of lets correct the thief because there are a bunch of thieves out there stealing everyday, but I don't see Christians go all hellfire and brimstone on them.... maybe because a lot of thieves work after dark and all the good Christians are in bed? lol

Then the adultery one.... You are married you already have someone to love and you are loving more than you should you will burn in Hell.... I don't see those threads so much either....

What about the liars? Why smoke would be ascending now as there are some not so much truths even spread on some of these threads.... anyone smell smoke?

All I am saying is homosexuality does not get a pass but Christians come flocking to condemn them quickly when there are so many other sins that are even in our own lives that we should be working on with the Holy Spirits help to get under control for our own selves than to beat down those with a different sexual preference.... You know kind of like to him who has never sinned cast the first stone or maybe light the match.....

God is against ALL forms of SIN and they un-repented will earn a ticket to the bonfire.

Maybe it is because they are the "little ones"? Easy to bully? Many of them will not reciprocate if being bullied. I have been comforting gay crime victims, men so big they could easily have smashed the offender if they had been wired differently, so they're an easy target.

 

[1ofthem]

We don't treat the other sins the way we treat homosexuality though.... I don't see threads of lets correct the thief because there are a bunch of thieves out there stealing everyday, but I don't see Christians go all hellfire and brimstone on them.... maybe because a lot of thieves work after dark and all the good Christians are in bed? lol

Then the adultery one.... You are married you already have someone to love and you are loving more than you should you will burn in Hell.... I don't see those threads so much either....

What about the liars? Why smoke would be ascending now as there are some not so much truths even spread on some of these threads.... anyone smell smoke?

All I am saying is homosexuality does not get a pass but Christians come flocking to condemn them quickly when there are so many other sins that are even in our own lives that we should be working on with the Holy Spirits help to get under control for our own selves than to beat down those with a different sexual preference.... You know kind of like to him who has never sinned cast the first stone or maybe light the match.....

God is against ALL forms of SIN and they un-repented will earn a ticket to the bonfire.

Yes, I agree God is against all forms of Sin. However, the reason you don't see many threads on other sins such as adultery, stealing, etc. is because most folks will admit that those sins are sins. They don't try to persuade others that it is alright and God is cool with it, no matter what he actually says about it. You don't see thieves rights or adulterers rights activist groups out there telling everyone that what they are doing is perfectly normal and natural and they are going to continue to do it regardless of what God says about it. Most sinners don't try to force others to deny the Word of God and put a seal of approval on their sins.

 

[laura_charlotte]

Thank you for being so open... that is, without a doubt, the most enlightening explanation of thought processes I have ever heard on the subject.

It was both thoughtful, and thought-provoking.

There are a lot of knee-jerk type responses to some of your statements, but I'd rather not do those... let me think about your post for a while, before responding, if you don't mind...

again... thanks for your honesty and insight...

she was a lost sinner just like you were (whether or not she deserved removal)
how dreadfully sad.

she was unteachable because you were teaching the wrong thing the wrong way..... and how will she accept lest she hear? she needs to hear the truth! who God is, who she is to Him, who the enemy is, and hoe to fellowship with God.

im sure glad God never gave up on me and said the things you have, theres your speck, btw i took my log out years ago, i know how low i am...

Great responses. Articulates what happens when a fellow sister is lost and then totally alienated and not because of a 'love the sinner' approach.

 

[1ofthem]

Maybe it is because they are the "little ones"? Easy to bully? Many of them will not reciprocate if being bullied. I have been comforting gay crime victims, men so big they could easily have smashed the offender if they had been wired differently, so they're an easy target.

I'm sorry but I think it is actually the other way around. From my experience and what I've seen, most of them are the aggressors. They want to bully others into agreeing with their own personal choices and then if we don't they yell we are hateful bigots.