ask Word of Faith! WOF
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CeileDe
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I think the topic of WoF rubs people the wrong way mostly in the area of healing. I for one am a believer in divine healing and believe as Christians we can receive the gift of healing. The reason most of us don't see this in our own lives or the lives of others is our walk with the Lord. There is a ton of bitterness toward the Lord and toward other Christians because someone has lost someone close due to lack of healing outside medical treatments.
I think another area that people find insulting is words having power. I think a lot of Christians don't quite understand what it actually means. To me words having power would be things we say to others being negative or positive. If I lift someone up with my words they will have a power of making that person feel better. If I attack someone with my words then that will have power to bring out anger, hatefulness etc.... So in a sense words do have power.
I think another area that people find insulting is words having power. I think a lot of Christians don't quite understand what it actually means. To me words having power would be things we say to others being negative or positive. If I lift someone up with my words they will have a power of making that person feel better. If I attack someone with my words then that will have power to bring out anger, hatefulness etc.... So in a sense words do have power.
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CharlieGrown
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IMO, the only word(s) of faith we need, are in the bible.Just saying..
That's a mic drop if I ever saw one.
IMO, the only word(s) of faith we need, are in the bible.
amen, and those are the only words i (try to, i'm human lol) speak over myself and others.
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HisHolly
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The thick layer of opinions is exactly why it isn't real to some. God isn't opinions... They look to what they believe instead of asking the one in Charge...It blows my mind how limited folks think God is.. Yes if you believe He's given us few abilities then you limited Him.. He and we by His power can do ALL things.. Such majesty and wonder
no joke but i really want to walk on water lol and i have tried
maybee one day God will surprise me and let me!
I tend to do that to people.. lol.. I can't help it if I speak truth no one wants to hear.
That's a mic drop if I ever saw one.
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CharlieGrown
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My mind got blown when Jan Crouch used scripture to wiggle the last few cents of grocery money out of widows hands to give into TBN's "fertile soil" so she could build a 200k dollar house for her poodle.
So those of us who have prayed, begged, cried to Jesus for healing for say, the last 30-plus years, and have NOT been healed, is due to our walk with him? Sorry, I don't believe that. If He wanted to heal all of us in a one-time shot for all and good, then we would be good to go for the rest of our lives.. I believe that God strengthens our walk with him the most, when we are in pain, or have an illness to deal with. You need only read any of my testimonies to figure that out.
....this is the mic drop lol and thats the biggest problem we have in the WoF. someone once talked about how they were lead to give away there car and they got blessed with one, the next week a bunch of people gave away there cars to get blessed.... another time one pastor talked about how he only had nothing to give so he gave his pen and got blessed... that offering there was like 50 pens.... SMH
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CeileDe
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And this is one person preying on people who are so desperate for something they would be willing to do anything for it. If that person that gave the money would have just read the word of God maybe he/she would have kept their money. Don't blame one denomination for the evils of one person or a group of people.
So those of us who have prayed, begged, cried to Jesus for healing for say, the last 30-plus years, and have NOT been healed, is due to our walk with him? Sorry, I don't believe that. If He wanted to heal all of us in a one-time shot for all and good, then we would be good to go for the rest of our lives.. I believe that God strengthens our walk with him the most, when we are in pain, or have an illness to deal with. You need only read any of my testimonies to figure that out.
healing is not just a divine act but also a practical one. God blessed us with modern medicine and we have to rely on both streams. plus the winning attitude.
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CharlieGrown
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I think the error for all of us to learn is that because we have a bad experience with some people within a denomination - that we than label them as a "cult".
I have seen where some have had a bad experience with people that believe in healing and then someone dies and thus they are quick to condemn all people in a denomination that believes in healing. Some have had experiences where the others condemned them because the weren't healed. That is as bad the one other ones calling them a "cult".
To call a denomination because they believe in healing as a "cult" is spiritual ignorance gone to seed in my opinion - because they have had a bad experience.
This is like someone that speaks in tongues in a non-believing church group like maybe a Baptists ( or any other one ). The person now prays to their Father in tongues - so the church throws them out of the fellowship because of it. If the person that was thrown out now calls the people that threw them out a "cult" - that is just spiritual ignorance gone to seed again.
You can tell these types because they will attack and verbally abuse others that believe differently then what they do on a subject. They call them a "cult" and are condescending in their attitude to those that do believe different and a hallmark is them trying to "lord it over their faith".
Sometimes we need to respect other's opinions on some subjects that are non-essential and not label them as a 'cult" because I don't believe in some things that they do.
Romans 14:22 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.
I have seen where some have had a bad experience with people that believe in healing and then someone dies and thus they are quick to condemn all people in a denomination that believes in healing. Some have had experiences where the others condemned them because the weren't healed. That is as bad the one other ones calling them a "cult".
To call a denomination because they believe in healing as a "cult" is spiritual ignorance gone to seed in my opinion - because they have had a bad experience.
This is like someone that speaks in tongues in a non-believing church group like maybe a Baptists ( or any other one ). The person now prays to their Father in tongues - so the church throws them out of the fellowship because of it. If the person that was thrown out now calls the people that threw them out a "cult" - that is just spiritual ignorance gone to seed again.
You can tell these types because they will attack and verbally abuse others that believe differently then what they do on a subject. They call them a "cult" and are condescending in their attitude to those that do believe different and a hallmark is them trying to "lord it over their faith".
Sometimes we need to respect other's opinions on some subjects that are non-essential and not label them as a 'cult" because I don't believe in some things that they do.
Romans 14:22 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.
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CeileDe
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So those of us who have prayed, begged, cried to Jesus for healing for say, the last 30-plus years, and have NOT been healed, is due to our walk with him? Sorry, I don't believe that. If He wanted to heal all of us in a one-time shot for all and good, then we would be good to go for the rest of our lives.. I believe that God strengthens our walk with him the most, when we are in pain, or have an illness to deal with. You need only read any of my testimonies to figure that out.
I agree with what you have said here. God does use illness and sickness as well. And I will stand firm on what I said that our walk with the Lord or lack of our walk with the Lord will hinder blessings in our lives. Throughout the bible we see this with the Jews. Look how devoted the Disciples were. They were seeing miracles probably on a daily basis. I won't presume to know how devoted to God you are but I can tell you I have a lot of work to do if I am ever going to be as devoted as the Disciples were.
I just believe as Christians we have it within ourselves to put God first in ever aspect of our lives and live as devoted as the Disciples/Apostles. I am a realist at the same time and most Christians are probably living pretty much like I do and most the day allow the rest of the world to take over and God soon becomes 3rd or 4th in my life. Now if I am way off on my assessment then I am truly sorry. Like I said I'm a realist at the same time a man of faith (mustard seed size).
Well, the modern medicine I'm on, I have been on since age 5, and will be on it until I die..It helps but does not totally control my epileptic seizures. And every seizure I have, kills off a little more of my brain. I have a good attitude about it, but I'm 46 now, so do the math. God hasn't healed me of it yet, despite praying and begging for it for most of those years.
yes but since you were 5 to now the treatment of seizures has changed, wisdom and better understanding has enabled us to treat them and disorders better. and just because prayer doesn't have an instant affect does not mean it is value less. and begging is one of the ways we shouldn't pray, Jesus didn't pray like that! we have boldness to come before the Lord, and state what stands before us, the Word He has given us can move mountains! we only need to believe the Word, confess the Word over our life, stand strong in that Word. He will give you the peace through every storm. and lastly we gotta fight the lies of the devil when he trys to say God doesn't do that, we gotta put him in his place with the Word!
brothers and sisters! i have to go start cooking but i will be back after the holiday! Happy thanks giving, have a Blessed day!
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LaurenTM
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last time I checked, this discussion is not about limiting God
it would actually be better described as the limits He has put on us
interesting how people who hold even a partial view of WOF do NOT do the ALL things they go on about
it is very wrong to assume people do not believe in the absolute power of God because they understand that the power is actually His and not ours
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