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Oh please ceilede, have you not read Matthew 7:15-22? "Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves." Who WITHIN the church do you think these false prophets, teachers and preachers are? And how are we to recognize them according to Jesus Christ own words?
And another thing, why do you "ASSUME" these people are Christians? I'm talking mainly about the false prophets and teachers of wof. I understand the sheep that follow them are being duped and cannot tell the difference between "fleece" and "fur." And look at Matthew 7:21, "Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven."
Wof teachings are abominable and obviously not from God but from their own imaginations for the purpose of monetary gain. At Matthew 7:23 the four most lethal words in the Bible from the mouth of Jesus is, "I never knew you." And what does Jesus say one is suppose to do at vs24? He says, "Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine, AND ACTS UPON THEM, may be compared to a wise man, who built his house upon the rock."
So how wise are you ceilede? And btw, regarding your last sentence, "This denomination thing makes me sick and I can see why non christians hate us." And who's fault is that? Mostly the "wolves" but the sheep have a responsibility to be wise by checking out what anybody says with what the Bible says. Acts 17:11.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
And another thing, why do you "ASSUME" these people are Christians? I'm talking mainly about the false prophets and teachers of wof. I understand the sheep that follow them are being duped and cannot tell the difference between "fleece" and "fur." And look at Matthew 7:21, "Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven."
Wof teachings are abominable and obviously not from God but from their own imaginations for the purpose of monetary gain. At Matthew 7:23 the four most lethal words in the Bible from the mouth of Jesus is, "I never knew you." And what does Jesus say one is suppose to do at vs24? He says, "Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine, AND ACTS UPON THEM, may be compared to a wise man, who built his house upon the rock."
So how wise are you ceilede? And btw, regarding your last sentence, "This denomination thing makes me sick and I can see why non christians hate us." And who's fault is that? Mostly the "wolves" but the sheep have a responsibility to be wise by checking out what anybody says with what the Bible says. Acts 17:11.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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Oh please ceilede, have you not read Matthew 7:15-22? "Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves." Who WITHIN the church do you think these false prophets, teachers and preachers are? And how are we to recognize them according to Jesus Christ own words?
And another thing, why do you "ASSUME" these people are Christians? I'm talking mainly about the false prophets and teachers of wof. I understand the sheep that follow them are being duped and cannot tell the difference between "fleece" and "fur." And look at Matthew 7:21, "Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven."
Wof teachings are abominable and obviously not from God but from their own imaginations for the purpose of monetary gain. At Matthew 7:23 the four most lethal words in the Bible from the mouth of Jesus is, "I never knew you." And what does Jesus say one is suppose to do at vs24? He says, "Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine, AND ACTS UPON THEM, may be compared to a wise man, who built his house upon the rock."
So how wise are you ceilede? And btw, regarding your last sentence, "This denomination thing makes me sick and I can see why non christians hate us." And who's fault is that? Mostly the "wolves" but the sheep have a responsibility to be wise by checking out what anybody says with what the Bible says. Acts 17:11.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
And another thing, why do you "ASSUME" these people are Christians? I'm talking mainly about the false prophets and teachers of wof. I understand the sheep that follow them are being duped and cannot tell the difference between "fleece" and "fur." And look at Matthew 7:21, "Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven."
Wof teachings are abominable and obviously not from God but from their own imaginations for the purpose of monetary gain. At Matthew 7:23 the four most lethal words in the Bible from the mouth of Jesus is, "I never knew you." And what does Jesus say one is suppose to do at vs24? He says, "Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine, AND ACTS UPON THEM, may be compared to a wise man, who built his house upon the rock."
So how wise are you ceilede? And btw, regarding your last sentence, "This denomination thing makes me sick and I can see why non christians hate us." And who's fault is that? Mostly the "wolves" but the sheep have a responsibility to be wise by checking out what anybody says with what the Bible says. Acts 17:11.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
I guess you know it all. Wow I'm humbled by your wisdom and your all knowing. And the fact you have the power of God to know who is and isn't a Christian
J
Good point, so Soros, Murdoch, Clinton, Trump pillars of the faith?
i see many of the prosperity folks site job, Joseph, Solomon, they were rich, so the Lord wants us to be rich to. im not so sure, those guys in the bible, their goal was to serve, not to prosper by serving. im pretty sure the pharisees made the same claims. there is not a lot of anti wealth teaching in the Hebrew bible, but when Jesus starts preaching, to Jews in a fallen state, to a priesthood in a fallen/corrupted state, He mentions this quite often. i think there is a good reason He does that.
Well I know one thing for sure, I know your Biblically ignorant based on the fact that your taking your ignorance out on me personally instead of dealing with what Jesus Christ said about false prophets and teachers etc. How about dealing with the verses and show me what I said that is wrong? Go ahead, I'll wait or do you want me to spoon feed you about what Jesus was teaching at Matthew 7?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
First of all wanderer I did not say you were taking scripture out of context. I said don't accuse me of taking wof quotes out of context because I'm not. I have many primary tapes, books and other materials to prove that their words are not being taken out of context.
Now, you just gave me a list of their stated beliefs and I can tell you first hand that kenneth copeland made a prophecy that Jesus never claimed to be God. So wanderer, before I continue will you please answer the following question? "Did Jesus Christ claim to be God in the Bible?"
IN HINN,
bluto
Now, you just gave me a list of their stated beliefs and I can tell you first hand that kenneth copeland made a prophecy that Jesus never claimed to be God. So wanderer, before I continue will you please answer the following question? "Did Jesus Christ claim to be God in the Bible?"
IN HINN,
bluto
but we are talking about what WoF in general believe, not something stated once, that i think is out of context.
just gonna post this till you ask me a question...
Originally Posted by wanderer6059
whats up, i'm part of a WOF church, actully Rhema one of the biggest! and i go to there bible college and plan to minister ast a WOF pastor one day. i thought it would be nice to answer and questions you might have, confirm WOF teaching to you, and clear up any misconceptions might be out there,
post #2 off topic right there, no question, just your wrong nothing but a condescending response...not to mention that you followed me just because i stood up to you being a bully in another thread.
Originally Posted by LaurenTM
word of faith, or WOF as it is commonly called, is sadly emphasizing one aspect of scripture and in doing so, have hurt many people, misled people and denied the faith of those who are hurting by telling them their faith is not strong enough
you can minister whatever you want, however a balanced interpretation of scripture is what we are told to minister from
it's interesting you come here and make this thread, after telling me I should not have refuted the words of someone in another thread who spoke angry and sinful words...
maybe you don't really believe words count as much as you say?
now on to my theory of you being hurt in WoF!
Originally Posted by LaurenTM
however, I have literally seen a pastor's wife die because she refused treatment for cancer because she had it in her head that God would be angry at her for not using her faith
her husband was not extreme like that, but he had to watch her die and it makes me ...
Originally Posted by LaurenTM
I attended one of those conferences where you are supposed to reach your inner hurt self and visualize Jesus coming in and healing you and blah blah blah...only it was not advertised as such
I listened but when the speaker said it was time to practice what we had heard, I just prayed...it was weird and people were acting abnormal...sorry...it was not the Holy Spirit' look around...Christianity is a mess...it ain't working...none of it
theres two, come on let me get another witness, you must have a family member in WoF.
and lets go to you responses...
Originally Posted by LaurenTM
oh please...I'm the same person you are giving unwanted advice to in another thread
reality check!!!!
WOF is not the gospel!
we are called to make peace but know your scripture...peace sometimes comes with a price
honestly? you are really ticking me off if I have not made that plain enough for you
done with this conversation...you need to learn when to speak and when it's not really your turn
i bet before your conversion your anger was off the charts sister, you are CRUEL, MEAN, ANGRY right Now. and thats just me calling a cat a cat, or a dog a dog, you are what you are, you are angry over this for some personal reason and you are a forum bully. but hey your carnal what can i expect.
1 Corinthians 3King James Version (KJV)
3 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
i made a thread you have come in and from the begging only cause chaos and disorder, completely off topic the whole time, and cruel. now if you want to talk like adults, ask me some questions like the topic states, or quite frankly get off of my thread that i started you bully, I'm done with you being childish!
whats up, i'm part of a WOF church, actully Rhema one of the biggest! and i go to there bible college and plan to minister ast a WOF pastor one day. i thought it would be nice to answer and questions you might have, confirm WOF teaching to you, and clear up any misconceptions might be out there,
post #2 off topic right there, no question, just your wrong nothing but a condescending response...not to mention that you followed me just because i stood up to you being a bully in another thread.
word of faith, or WOF as it is commonly called, is sadly emphasizing one aspect of scripture and in doing so, have hurt many people, misled people and denied the faith of those who are hurting by telling them their faith is not strong enough
you can minister whatever you want, however a balanced interpretation of scripture is what we are told to minister from
it's interesting you come here and make this thread, after telling me I should not have refuted the words of someone in another thread who spoke angry and sinful words...
maybe you don't really believe words count as much as you say?
now on to my theory of you being hurt in WoF!
however, I have literally seen a pastor's wife die because she refused treatment for cancer because she had it in her head that God would be angry at her for not using her faith
her husband was not extreme like that, but he had to watch her die and it makes me ...
I attended one of those conferences where you are supposed to reach your inner hurt self and visualize Jesus coming in and healing you and blah blah blah...only it was not advertised as such
I listened but when the speaker said it was time to practice what we had heard, I just prayed...it was weird and people were acting abnormal...sorry...it was not the Holy Spirit' look around...Christianity is a mess...it ain't working...none of it
theres two, come on let me get another witness, you must have a family member in WoF.
and lets go to you responses...
oh please...I'm the same person you are giving unwanted advice to in another thread
reality check!!!!
WOF is not the gospel!
we are called to make peace but know your scripture...peace sometimes comes with a price
honestly? you are really ticking me off if I have not made that plain enough for you
done with this conversation...you need to learn when to speak and when it's not really your turn
i bet before your conversion your anger was off the charts sister, you are CRUEL, MEAN, ANGRY right Now. and thats just me calling a cat a cat, or a dog a dog, you are what you are, you are angry over this for some personal reason and you are a forum bully. but hey your carnal what can i expect.
1 Corinthians 3King James Version (KJV)
3 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
i made a thread you have come in and from the begging only cause chaos and disorder, completely off topic the whole time, and cruel. now if you want to talk like adults, ask me some questions like the topic states, or quite frankly get off of my thread that i started you bully, I'm done with you being childish!
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[TD]Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.
Faith is the confidence that what we hope for will actually happen; it gives us assurance about things we cannot see.
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
Now faith is the assurance of what we hope for and the certainty of what we do not see.
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not being seen.
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Now faith is the reality of what is hoped for, the proof of what is not seen.
Now faith is the assurance that what we hope for will come about and the certainty that what we cannot see exists.
Now faith is being sure of what we hope for, being convinced of what we do not see.
Now faith is being confident of what we hope for, convinced about things we do not see.
Now faith is the conviction concerning those things that are in hope, as if it were these things in action, and the revelation of those things that are unseen;
Faith assures us of things we expect and convinces us of the existence of things we cannot see.
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
Faith, therefore, is the substance of things waited for, the evidence of things not seen.
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Now faith is assurance of things hoped for, a conviction of things not seen.
Now faith is the substance of things to be hoped for, the evidence of things that appear not.
Now faith is [the] substantiating of things hoped for, [the] conviction of things not seen.
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the proving of things not seen.
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Now faith is a well-grounded assurance of that for which we hope, and a conviction of the reality of things which we do not see.
Now faith is assurance of things hoped for, proof of things not seen.
And faith is of things hoped for a confidence, of matters not seen a conviction,
11:1-3 Faith always has been the mark of God's servants, from the beginning of the world. Where the principle is planted by the regenerating Spirit of God, it will cause the truth to be received, concerning justification by the sufferings and merits of Christ. And the same things that are the object of our hope, are the object of our faith. It is a firm persuasion and expectation, that God will perform all he has promised to us in Christ. This persuasion gives the soul to enjoy those things now; it gives them a subsistence or reality in the soul, by the first-fruits and foretastes of them. Faith proves to the mind, the reality of things that cannot be seen by the bodily eye. It is a full approval of all God has revealed, as holy, just, and good. This view of faith is explained by many examples of persons in former times, who obtained a good report, or an honourable character in the word of God. Faith was the principle of their holy obedience, remarkable services, and patient sufferings. The Bible gives the most true and exact account of the origin of all things, and we are to believe it, and not to wrest the Scripture account of the creation, because it does not suit with the differing fancies of men. All that we see of the works of creation, were brought into being by the command of God.
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[TD]Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.
Faith is the confidence that what we hope for will actually happen; it gives us assurance about things we cannot see.
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
Now faith is the assurance of what we hope for and the certainty of what we do not see.
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not being seen.
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Now faith is the reality of what is hoped for, the proof of what is not seen.
Now faith is the assurance that what we hope for will come about and the certainty that what we cannot see exists.
Now faith is being sure of what we hope for, being convinced of what we do not see.
Now faith is being confident of what we hope for, convinced about things we do not see.
Now faith is the conviction concerning those things that are in hope, as if it were these things in action, and the revelation of those things that are unseen;
Faith assures us of things we expect and convinces us of the existence of things we cannot see.
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
Faith, therefore, is the substance of things waited for, the evidence of things not seen.
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Now faith is assurance of things hoped for, a conviction of things not seen.
Now faith is the substance of things to be hoped for, the evidence of things that appear not.
Now faith is [the] substantiating of things hoped for, [the] conviction of things not seen.
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the proving of things not seen.
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Now faith is a well-grounded assurance of that for which we hope, and a conviction of the reality of things which we do not see.
Now faith is assurance of things hoped for, proof of things not seen.
And faith is of things hoped for a confidence, of matters not seen a conviction,
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Matthew Henry Commentary11:1-3 Faith always has been the mark of God's servants, from the beginning of the world. Where the principle is planted by the regenerating Spirit of God, it will cause the truth to be received, concerning justification by the sufferings and merits of Christ. And the same things that are the object of our hope, are the object of our faith. It is a firm persuasion and expectation, that God will perform all he has promised to us in Christ. This persuasion gives the soul to enjoy those things now; it gives them a subsistence or reality in the soul, by the first-fruits and foretastes of them. Faith proves to the mind, the reality of things that cannot be seen by the bodily eye. It is a full approval of all God has revealed, as holy, just, and good. This view of faith is explained by many examples of persons in former times, who obtained a good report, or an honourable character in the word of God. Faith was the principle of their holy obedience, remarkable services, and patient sufferings. The Bible gives the most true and exact account of the origin of all things, and we are to believe it, and not to wrest the Scripture account of the creation, because it does not suit with the differing fancies of men. All that we see of the works of creation, were brought into being by the command of God.
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Maybe if those Iraq Christians just had some WOF tutorial tapes from Hagin or Copeland....
[FONT="]32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:[/FONT]
[FONT="]33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions.[/FONT]
[FONT="]34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.[/FONT]
[FONT="]35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:[/FONT]
[FONT="]36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:[/FONT]
[FONT="]37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;[/FONT]
[FONT="]38 (Of whom the world was not worthy
they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.[/FONT][FONT="]39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:[/FONT]
40 [FONT="]God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]knowing this is there calling and there good reward.[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][/FONT]
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