ask Word of Faith! WOF

wanderer6059 · Nov 26, 2016

no, money is gained many ways, some righteous, some not so, and some down right evil. but if you are supernatural given money(someone just comes and hands you $100, happened to my fiancee) thats a blessing. i call it a blessing because, worldly riches are not promised in the word of God, so they are just a nice thing from God when they happen

wanderer6059 · Nov 26, 2016

Ok so since i'm not getting questions and people just wanna bash and not be open to actually talk about what i believe i'm gonna start posting it.

since this is WoF i'll start with what faith is.

Faith, is a firm persuasion in what God has promised. It is boldly going before the Father and as His child making our request know, knowing that He will meet our needs.

[h=1]now this is the anchor verse here at Rhema.

Mark 11:22-24King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT=&quot]22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

ok so first lets break down some of these words!

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pistis: faith, faithfulness

[FONT=&quot]Original Word: πίστις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: pistis
Phonetic Spelling: (pis'-tis)
Short Definition: faith, belief, trust
Definition: faith, belief, trust, confidence; fidelity, faithfulness.

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kardia: heart

[FONT=&quot]Original Word: καρδία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: kardia
Phonetic Spelling: (kar-dee'-ah)
Short Definition: the heart, inner life, intention
Definition: lit: the heart; mind, character, inner self, will, intention, center.

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pisteuó: to believe, entrust

[FONT=&quot]Original Word: πιστεύω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: pisteuó
Phonetic Spelling: (pist-yoo'-o)
Short Definition: I believe, have faith in
Definition: I believe, have faith in, trust in; pass: I am entrusted with.

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lambanó: to take, receive

[FONT=&quot]Original Word: λαμβάνω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: lambanó
Phonetic Spelling: (lam-ban'-o)
Short Definition: I receive, take
Definition: (a) I receive, get, (b) I take, lay hold of.

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pas: all, every

[FONT=&quot]Original Word: πᾶς, πᾶσα, πᾶν
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: pas
Phonetic Spelling: (pas)
Short Definition: all, the whole, every kind of
Definition: all, the whole, every kind of.[/FONT]
Ok so first, the contextual usage for removing the mountain in this verse is [FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]to accomplish most difficult, stupendous, incredible things. now Faith is the first aspect, and it is in what God says in His word and His will, and believing it is true. next is the heart our inner being, out mind, and we are to hold firm to what the Word says and not be persuaded against what are faith is in. next is belief, belief also comes with the aspect of being entrusted with what we receive by faith and to protect it and guard it. next is to receive it is a bold and courage movement, there is a great part we play in taking hold of what we are in faith for. next is the usage of desire... this is probably the hardest verse in the passage.this is a better breakdown of the wordage.

[/FONT]3956 /pás ("each, every") means "all" in the sense of "each (every) part that applies." The emphasis of the total picture then is on "one piece at a time." 365 (ananeóō) then focuses on the part(s) making up the whole – viewing the whole in terms of the individual parts.

in faith ALL of the PROMISES of God are brought into reality.

[h=1]Hebrews 11:1King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT=&quot]11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.[/FONT]
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jaybird88 · Nov 26, 2016

wanderer6059 said:

Mt 13 22
[SUP]22 [/SUP]As for what was sown among thorns, this is the one who hears the word, but the cares of the world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and it proves unfruitful.

why would the Most High bless us with something thats going to choke the word?

St Paul teaches us not to conform to this world. the more rooted you are in the ways of this world, the less connected you are to the next world, the kingdom. Jesus wants us to step into that kingdom, how does worldly riches bring us closer to stepping through to that world?

Cee · Nov 26, 2016

Who does Scripture tell us to be like?

CharlieGrown said:

Cee · Nov 26, 2016

Why did Jesus use illustrations of stewarding money properly and even connect it to heavenly rewards?

Money isn't the issue, the love of money is the issue. We serve God not money. Looking to God to be our provider means we don't need to look to money. Believing He will provide actually protects us from the deceitfulness of riches. The cares of this world which Jesus connects to worry is because we don't trust Him to provide for us. It's not what you say, but what you believe about God that is the real issue here. But what you say reveals what you truly believe.

jaybird88 said:

Miri · Nov 26, 2016

This is the damage WOF does.

http://christianchat.com/christian-family-forum/136132-delicate-situation-friend.html

wanderer6059 · Nov 26, 2016

jaybird88 said:

brother, money doesn't corrupt by itself, it is just paper, your heart does.

[h=1]1 Timothy 6:10King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT=&quot]10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.[/FONT]

jaybird88 · Nov 26, 2016

Cee said:

i thought Jesus taught not to store up riches here but rather to store up riches in heaven.

love of money is the the issue, but its also money in itself that leads to that issue.

Cee · Nov 26, 2016

Car accidents kill people, but is the problem with cars? Should we ignore the benefit of cars because of the ability to be abused? Imagine all of the causes, missions, and ministries that need money in order to do their good in the world. God can and does provide the money, but some people are called to be the ones to write the checks. Jesus' ministry had people who funded him. And when He needed His Father would supply Him with resources from Heaven. Jesus had what He needed. When Peter needed to pay tax, Jesus lead Him to a gold coin of money. If you don't want filthy money, no problem, that's your choice my friend and I respect it.

jaybird88 · Nov 26, 2016

Cee said:

no one is saying sell everything and be a monk, my point is when you start mixing money, prosperity and wealth into what Jesus taught your corrupting the message. Jesus and the 12 never shut down the ministry cause there wasnt enough money and they never put focus on gaining greater money so they could do greater things.

Cee · Nov 26, 2016

Jesus mixed it through His countless illustrations of money. And the Father mixed it when He called Himself Jehovah Rapha and Jehovah Jireh. That being said, I do agree with on some level. We don't seek things, we seek His Kingdom and He adds all the rest to us. My intentionality isn't about collecting resources, but seeking His Will in my life and being a good steward with what He gives me.

If a person has a good paying job that's fine, but ask God to provide supernaturally that's crazy because they didn't earn it. If a person gets healed by a doctor that's fine, but believe God wants to heal supernaturally, that's crazy talk!

My question to you is simple. Does Scripture indicate we need faith to receive from God? Yes or no.

nowyouseem033 · Nov 26, 2016

UUUGGGHHH!!!! WOF movement is a joke. They call you to a life of self-fulfillment not self-denial. They're eyes are on this world and not the next. Huge emphasis on physical healing rather the spiritual condition of man. No gleaning from the bible but imposing upon it. Reducing God to a candy giver rather than a sovereign king who reigns. Emphasizing mans ability to proclaim authority rather Gods authority spoken through his Word. WOF is pretty poor and terribly unbiblically founded. Just a disaster and a joke to unbelievers and believers alike.

PeterJens · Nov 26, 2016

Miri said:

This situation demonstrates the problem. It is not a lack of faith in God that is the real problem
it is a belief a strong medical problem will be solved by God and not medicine, and it is unbelief
to take the medicine even though you know it will work.

God provides us with answers, and we are commanded to love those around us, no matter what.
Is it more loving to let someone slowly die or be badly hurt because of faith or show love and
resolve the situation? Which is more important, a display of real love or let suffering continue
in the hope that a good testimony will result? And when the testimony is bad, what then?

It is obvious in a lot of situations what results is a lack of love and a miss-placed conviction about
what really resolves our issues. We do not love God because he magically resolves our medical
issues, but that He loved us through the cross.

It is obvious for some love is not the primary driver in their life but the miraculous, which then fails
to deliver, showing they have a miss-placed set of priorities.

Grace777x70 · Nov 26, 2016

wanderer6059 said:

I believe that true faith is of the heart. I call the heart of the new creation in Christ the spirit of man - the make up of the heart being both the spirit and soul of man. The inner man is another term used in scripture. The new man is another term.

I think we can believe ( have faith in our spirit which is joined as one with the Lord ) in our spirit but still have doubts in our un-renewed minds. This is why the renewing of the mind is so important.

If people want to call believing with our heart ( spirit ) or that true faith originates from our spirit where Christ is joined with us - is error to them - that is their choice.

I firmly believe that true faith in the New Covenant originates from our heart where Christ dwells.

Hebrews 10:22 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.

Romans 10:9-10 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

[SUP]10 [/SUP] for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

2 Corinthians 4:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] But having the same spirit of faith, according to what is written, "I BELIEVED, THEREFORE I SPOKE," we also believe, therefore we also speak,

Here Jesus talks about having doubt in the heart and having true believing.

Mark 11:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.

Here Jesus talks about "being slow in the heart to believe".

Luke 24:25 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

Here Jesus speaks about the word being taken from our heart and thus we do not believe.

Luke 8:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] "Those beside the road are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their heart, so that they will not believe and be saved.

Anyway I will stop here because there are many more scriptures that show this truth.

PeterJens · Nov 26, 2016

wanderer6059 said:

Doubt - doubt is a difficult thing. If your heart says, this has not happened before, I have never seen
it, God will do it, because it is ..... you have failed.

The faith Jesus is talking about is a conviction that you have that something is going to happen, you
ask for it, and it takes place. I had this once, but about something small.

The Lord is making a promise to us. If when all the arguments are finished, we know that our request
is what God desires, it will take place. This is very rare that we come to this place. Mainly we have
a reason or caviate. Has anyone understood like Jesus, the nature of existance and the balance of
relationships between the mortal and the eternal? I have not heard of anyone. Wof are, say a few
words and God will answer. This is not faith but superstition a magic word changes reality, rather
we know God will bring something about, in a specific way and time and we are asking for it.

WOF version is, speak it out, and it will happen, which is saying the confession is the definition of
reality and not faith in God.

WOF make a fundamental error in theology. People hate God because of sin and righteousness, not
because of whether he exists or does not. They have believed the secular lie, that the existance of
God is the issue, rather than it is about the heart and sin that makes it hard and cold and shuts love
down and out.

So WOF thinks everyone will believe if they see miracles. Israel saw and rebelled. Egypt saw and possibly
for one generation their religion changed, but it reverted to pantheism. Even in WOF churches many see
the claims, walk in them for a few years and then leave the faith.

PeterJens · Nov 26, 2016

The real problem with WOF is simple.

People have died because WOF said do not go to doctors God will heal you, and
they died.

So the problem was with the faith that God would heal in the particular situation.

If you hold God heals all believers in all situations, it becomes a deal breaker if
you get a fatal disease. To go against your faith and accept help is like a statement
of apostacy.

Now if WOF churches could face this dilemma, but they cannot because it is a
cornerstone of a heretical spirit of rebellion. Gods will is lower than the will
of the believer. It is why selfish desires for health and wealth abound, for domination,
for creative authority, for authority over anything you wish to mention.

But it is insane, because this authority does not exist, and is merely a play on peoples
emotional desires and a real sense of being out of control.

LaurenTM · Nov 26, 2016

wanderer...since you will be moving on, if your handle means anything...just go ahead

and don't forget to slam everyone else here who does not agree with you

you should be busy most of the week-end

I understand that some people have the need to pick one person and try their best to punch them into the shape they desire

stop wasting your time and energy...read the responses...it is not a surprise that many like WOF the way it appeals to the flesh and the thought that you have control over how God interacts with you

it's nonsense at best and demonic at worst

well you know, the Bible is plain about the great falling away

what can I say...........

and cecile has left the building

LaurenTM · Nov 26, 2016

there is nothing biblical in the above

the makeup of the heart is the spirit and soul?

I can't even begin to say how far off what scripture teaches that sentiment is

the Bible teaches that the soul and the spirit are distinct...

there is a progression in what you say...I used to agree with many of your posts, I just shake my head at them now

that's fine

guess I'll just leave it at that

kaylagrl · Nov 26, 2016

wanderer6059 said:

Uhh
my friends wife passed away,I wasn't talking about Hagins wife. You might need to read the posts a little closer.

LaurenTM · Nov 26, 2016

that is because we have people here who actually know what WOF is

you have made nasty personal comments here to several of us...after saying you love us

convoluted theology produces a split mind

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