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Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made you free.The King James Only Debate
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Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made you free.
Yes NIV is the more accurate translation from the Greek,
Definition
- to hasten, make haste
- to exert one's self, endeavour, give diligence
Which manuscript line is that verse in the NIV from? Is it the same line as KJV?
Yeah I know what you said. Have you asked God or are just waiting around for him tell you.
Perhaps it's simply our differing understanding of the word "inspired".
I believe the original writers were writing their letters/epistles purely through the inspiration of God/Spirit. This is how God ensured that we would have the "pure words of God" as He wanted us to have them.
Scholars that simply read/translate those words are not "inspired" in the same way. I believe that they are led by the spirit to interpret correctly, but there is no "inspiration" in the same sense as the original writers.
So, to me... (in my opinion only) there is no "inspired" translation of the Word. Or, it may be more accurate to say that all the "mainstream" translations are "inspired" in the same way.
In the same way that you believe that God can "inspire" a translation, I believe that God can bring knowledge of his "pure words" even through translations that are not exact word-for-word translations of the original inspired writings.
Clearly you have not understood. Why the interrogation, can you not accept that God is not bothered by which version I read?
I think I get it now... Do you believe that we have to work to please God or maintain our salvation?
No, I dont believe we have to work to be saved.
I believe we have to make every efford to be good servants and to get the good word in the end.
"Make every effort to present yourself approved to God, an unashamed workman who accurately handles the word of truth." 2Tm 2:15
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If you begin to use biblehub.com, you can see for yourself
This verse is the same in all manuscript editions except of Tischendorf:
2 Timothy 2:15 Greek Text Analysis
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I'm grace only, I don't believe I have to do anything but believe God and it will be counted as righteousness for me.
This is another logical error: Just because someone doesn't believe that the KJV (or any other version) is inspired does not mean that the person believes a translation "can't be inspired". It is similar to John146's repeated mistake of imposing on others the antithesis of his beliefs. Bringing in the im/possibility of God doing such merely deflects attention away from the question of inspiration toward the question of God's omnipotence. It does nothing to support the assertion.
Again, it is incumbent upon the maker of the assertion ("the KJV is inspired") to prove the assertion... in a way which is both scripturally and logically sound.
With regard to the assertion itself, there is nothing in Scripture to support the idea that the KJV (particularly) is inspired. So the evidence must come from outside of Scripture. The intelligence, training, and ability of the translators is irrelevant. The experience of one reader is insufficient. I have asked previously for supporting evidence and have seen none. From what I've read in these threads, I think it is a case of blind faith based on a narrow interpretation of certain biblical passages. Blind faith is not the same as biblical faith, lest anyone try to make that case.
I am Bible only, I believe everything Bible says. So I believe also in that we must not be lazy servants and that my faith must be visible on my deeds.
So how many leopards have wings? How many fowls have four wings?
Dan 7:6
After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.
KJV
"After that, I looked, and there before me was another beast, one that looked like a leopard. And on its back it had four wings like those of a bird. This beast had four heads, and it was given authority to rule.”
NIV
NIV
How many insects have four wings?
Now the scholars admit they changed 'fowls' in Leviticus 11:20 because it everyone who wasn't just pure stupid knows that there has never been nor is there any bird that literally moves upon the ground using all four. So why didn't they change bird in Dan 7:6 to insect?
Leviticus 11:20
“All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.”
KJV
"'All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be regarded as unclean by you.”
NIV
"O ye of widsom"
You really like to cherry pick a verse and build a whole theology out of it . Read in Context, Context is the other verses around it and even whole chapters. Now read the whole chapter and you will see this is nothing to do with what you claim and that verse 15 as "do your best" etc is perfectly fine.
2 You then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And the things you have heard me say in the presence of many witnesses entrust to reliable people who will also be qualified to teach others. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Join with me in suffering, like a good soldier of Christ Jesus. [SUP]4 [/SUP]No one serving as a soldier gets entangled in civilian affairs, but rather tries to please his commanding officer. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Similarly, anyone who competes as an athlete does not receive the victor’s crown except by competing according to the rules. [SUP]6 [/SUP]The hardworking farmer should be the first to receive a share of the crops. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Reflect on what I am saying, for the Lord will give you insight into all this.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Remember Jesus Christ, raised from the dead, descended from David. This is my gospel, [SUP]9 [/SUP]for which I am suffering even to the point of being chained like a criminal. But God’s word is not chained. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they too may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus, with eternal glory.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Here is a trustworthy saying:
If we died with him,
we will also live with him;
[SUP]12 [/SUP]if we endure,
we will also reign with him.
If we disown him,
he will also disown us;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]if we are faithless,
he remains faithful,
for he cannot disown himself.
[h=3]Dealing With False Teachers[/h][SUP]14 [/SUP]Keep reminding God’s people of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, [SUP]18 [/SUP]who have departed from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and they destroy the faith of some. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.”
[SUP]20 [/SUP]In a large house there are articles not only of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay; some are for special purposes and some for common use. [SUP]21 [/SUP]Those who cleanse themselves from the latter will be instruments for special purposes, made holy, useful to the Master and prepared to do any good work.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Flee the evil desires of youth and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. [SUP]23 [/SUP]Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. [SUP]24 [/SUP]And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. [SUP]25 [/SUP]Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, [SUP]26 [/SUP]and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.
These words of Jesus seem to point toward a lot of "doing", instead of just "being" and basking in the sunlight of salvation...
Sunlight? Basking? LOL, don't you mean basting...
And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it:
Rev 21:23
SHEEP W GOATS
[SUP]32[/SUP] And before him shall be gathered all nations:
So on which side do you stand?
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me,
ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Matt 25:41
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from Strongs 4704:
to use speed, i.e. to make effort, be prompt or earnest:--do (give) diligence, be diligent (forward), endeavour, labour, study.
2 Timothy 2:
[SUP]15[/SUP] Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
This is actually a very good example of how the translators knew what word to use. While the 'core' definition of the Greek word that 'Study' came from in this verse is describing 'effort' rather than 'action', the reason the translators used the word 'Study' comes from the context of the verse - based on the phrase 'rightly dividing the word of truth'. The word 'Study' best describes the 'type' of effort that is made - and is required - in 'rightly dividing the word of truth'.
"Context, context, context..."
The word 'haste' is actually not the best word to describe what is being said here, because it implies a time-based sense of "hurrying" - even to the point of 'waste'. The word 'haste' is a time-based 'action' word. But, that is not what is being described in this verse.
The word 'diligence' is a much better word. It speaks of 'effort' rather than 'action'. The 'action' follows the 'effort', but - at the core of the definition - it is referring to 'effort' and not 'action'.
The phrase 'to use speed' could mean "take a [ specific ] drug" in today's parlance. However, in the Strongs definition - along with the rest of the definition - it is clearly not in the sense of "get there fast"; rather, it is in the sense of "how to be"...
The 'time-based' sense of this definition rests in the word 'prompt'. But, notice how it is compared to 'earnest'. The common "sense and tense" of these two words is not "moving through time"; rather, it is "[ instantly ] being ready" - combined with "how to be" to create the overall definition. ( Notice the word 'endeavour' also. )
This verse is all about having the proper 'attitude' and making sufficient 'effort'.
Due to the context of the verse, the word 'Study' is precisely the right word to use...
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Act 12:4
And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him
to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.
in this text in the KJV the word.. is actually
πάσχα
pascha
pas'-khah
Of Chaldee origin (compare [
H6453]); the Passover (the meal, the day, the festival or the special sacrifices connected with it): - Easter, Passover.
yet it is translated as easter, clearly this term was NOT what the language in the Koine greek uses in the septiugent and this is the ONLY place that word easter (which is actually the name of a pagan goddess of fertility) is used in all the biblical text in the KJV... if the KJV is infallible as you misstakenl;y claim why do we find this, I'm curious exactly how you in tend to explain this one away.... seems even the face if direct evidence you still will not admit the fallability of the text despite you false claim.
And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him
to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.
in this text in the KJV the word.. is actually
πάσχα
pascha
pas'-khah
Of Chaldee origin (compare [
H6453]); the Passover (the meal, the day, the festival or the special sacrifices connected with it): - Easter, Passover.
yet it is translated as easter, clearly this term was NOT what the language in the Koine greek uses in the septiugent and this is the ONLY place that word easter (which is actually the name of a pagan goddess of fertility) is used in all the biblical text in the KJV... if the KJV is infallible as you misstakenl;y claim why do we find this, I'm curious exactly how you in tend to explain this one away.... seems even the face if direct evidence you still will not admit the fallability of the text despite you false claim.