You must practice righteousness to actually remain righteous!

[Dino246]

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God always (except for Jesus' creation and sustaining) works in co-operation with man!

So, re: man's salvation ... He makes us born again from above,
and IF we co-operate, we receive eternal life at the end of the salvation process.

This makes it look like we can maintain, by our own effort, that which we could not attain by our own effort. "Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?" (Gal. 3:3). Any cooperation which I offer is merely another gift of God's Spirit working within me to align my inclinations with the righteousness of Christ. I think this is where most of the works-righteousness arguments break down (those I've seen, anyway).

 

[Stephen63]

We are NOT saved by being born again. We are saved by grace through faith. God does NOT say, "IF you do this, I will do that for you." We don't lose our salvation if we don't do good deeds. JMO

John 3:16, in part: "For whosoever shall believeth on Him, shall not perish but have everlasting life."

We need only believe that Jesus is who he says he is. And confess that he is our Lord and Savior.

I agree with your scripture, but you must know that "believeth" is a word with great meaning. Believing requires something. If you believe Jesus is your Savior, you gladly accept Him & His death on Calvary.

If you believe Jesus is your LORD, you will gladly bow down as His servant & do whatever He says do.

Jesus said "if you love Me, keep MY commandments." Jesus said "ABIDE IN ME". That means REMAIN. That statement ALONE implies the fact that some won't remain in Him. Those will be cast aside by the Husbandman (God) & burned (lake of fire).

Abiding is a continual process that is done by faith.The just shall LIVE by faith.

 

[notuptome]

God does not need our help or cooperation. God declares that we must submit to Him to be saved. Bow the knee and confess with the tongue.

Ro 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

God then declares us righteous.

2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

You are not helping God in fact you are preventing God by making salvation dependent upon anything but grace through faith in the blood of Christ shed on Calvary and sprinkled in the holiest of holies in heaven.

Just keep telling God how good you are and He will tell you that you are not.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

The scripture says God only awards imputed righteousness by Faith exclusively in Christ and the Cross, i.e., The Blood of Jesus, i.e., The Finished Work of Christ. Romans 4:5

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

God only awards imputed righteousness by maintaining faith exclusively in Christ and his finished work (Romans 4:5). God only recognize the blood of Jesus on the door post of our hearts. That Believer is now under the strongest law in the universe, " The Law Of The Spirit Of Life In Christ Jesus (Romans 8:2)." This law is stronger than "The Law Of Sin And Death (Romans 8:1-2)." So when you do miss the mark and sin, you still have imputed righteousness. Which means: There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Sin has no dominion over you. (The Believer must confess their sins 1 John 1:9)

If we as Believers do not understand these two Laws, then the "law of sin and death" will wreak its havoc on us.

Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: Romans 5:1 ; Hebrews 10:38 ; Hab. 2:4 NLT

Two kinds of peace

1. Justifying Peace - This is Peace with God, a legal standing. Rom. 8:7; Eph. 2:14-15

2. Sanctifying Peace - This is the Peace of God in the heart. Rom. 8:6; 14:19; 15:13; Gal. 1:3

The first is the result of a legal standing. The second is the result of the Work of the Holy Spirit. The first is static, never fluctuates, the second changes almost from hour to hour. The first, every Christian has, the second, every Christian may have.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

So, the truth is that doing righteous things does not make one righteous. There are "deeds/fruits of righteousness" but that is a result of having the fruit of His righteousness already in us and us walking those out.

Jesus is our righteousness - not what we do or don't do. It is called " receiving the abundance of grace and the gift of righteousness" and all this is through Christ's work alone.

Get this wrong and we have no foundation and we end up with a works-based doctrine trying to build on a faulty foundation that doesn't exist and thus we end up thinking that we must practice righteousness in order to remain righteous.


This is still having the "cart before the horse". We don't start with the horse in front of the cart ( as we have received Christ - Col. 2:6 ) and then end up the rest of our lives trying to make the cart before the horse for the rest of our walk with Christ ( As you have received Christ - so walk in Him - Col. 2:6 )

The transforming of our minds is paramount in growing up in the grace and knowledge of Him. This transformation is done by the Holy Spirit and we participate in it with Him by grace through faith alone.

We don't "lose righteousness" because it was not ours to begin with - it is the righteousness of God because we are in Christ that we have now in our new creation in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness. Eph. 4:24

All works-based doctrines that really nullify the grace of God from operating in our lives are all fuelled by this same wrong foundation which is not based on Christ's finished work for the believer. He is our salvation! The Lord Jesus Christ Himself is our salvation and our life.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Grace777x70 again

 

[ZacharyB]

John 3:16, in part: "For whosoever shall believeth on Him, shall not perish but have everlasting life."
We need only believe that Jesus is who he says he is. And confess that he is our Lord and Savior.

IMO, true saving BELIEF is demonstrated through love for Jesus and trying hard to obey Him.
This is not perfection, but it demonstrates the correct heart attitude about the whole deal.

IMO, true saving BELIEF is demonstrated through our co-operation.
This is to say, we are not robots ... we have free will.
God gives us the tiny seed of faith enabling us to believe the Truth,
and we have the free will to accept this "revelation", or reject it.

 

[ZacharyB]

We love and appreciate His grace so much
that we choose to co-operate with Him!

What I highlighted in red, is not always true.

Please notice who I'm talking about ...
those who love and appreciate His grace so much!

 

[ZacharyB]

Would you agree that when a person Is born again,they receive salvation at the same time?

IMO, it is only the beginning ...
because many NT verses teach that one can lose salvation.
Therefore, salvation is a process.
E.G. 10 NT verses teach us that ...
One must ENDURE in his/her faith until the end of his/her life to be given eternal life.

These, like many other verses, are simply ignored/rejected by many believers today.

Satan is the greatest liar and deceiver ever in the history of the world.
The great desire of Satan and his demons is that you live eternally with them in Hell.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

IMO, it is only the beginning ...
because many NT verses teach that one can lose salvation.
Therefore, salvation is a process.
E.G. 10 NT verses teach us that ...
One must ENDURE in his/her faith until the end of his/her life to be given eternal life.

These, like many other verses, are simply ignored/rejected by many believers today.

Satan is the greatest liar and deceiver ever in the history of the world.
The great desire of Satan and his demons is that you live eternally with them in Hell.

Would you copy and paste the location of that sculpture so I can look at It In context?Thanks.

 

[ZacharyB]

This makes it look like we can maintain, by our own effort,
that which we could not attain by our own effort.

Don't you believe that we are to exercise our free will to co-operate with the Holy Spirit?
If not, then IMO, you believe we are robots with no free will.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

IMO, it is only the beginning ...
because many NT verses teach that one can lose salvation.
Therefore, salvation is a process.
E.G. 10 NT verses teach us that ...
One must ENDURE in his/her faith until the end of his/her life to be given eternal life.

These, like many other verses, are simply ignored/rejected by many believers today.

Satan is the greatest liar and deceiver ever in the history of the world.
The great desire of Satan and his demons is that you live eternally with them in Hell.

John 3:16 says that whosoever believes has Eternal life.Isn't that a one time thing?

 

[ZacharyB]

Would you copy and paste the location of that sculpture so I can look at It In context?Thanks.

Which sculpture dost thou refer to ... I mentioned 10.
And please try to understand what is meant by BELIEVE.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Which sculpture dost thou refer to ... I mentioned 10.
And please try to understand what is meant by BELIEVE.

The one that Is highlighted In post 29,I wanted to read It In context.

 

[ZacharyB]

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Meanwhile, back at the ranch ... it's the same-o, same-o ridiculous Truth:

Most of the so-called "Christians" here REFUSE to deal with ALL of the NT verses!

I.E. they REFUSE to deal with the NT verses in the OP.

This a most pathetic reality!

 

[Grace777x70]

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Meanwhile, back at the ranch ... it's the same-o, same-o ridiculous Truth:

Most of the so-called "Christians" here REFUSE to deal with ALL of the NT verses!

I.E. they REFUSE to deal with the NT verses in the OP.

This a most pathetic reality!

Perhaps what is really happening is that some Christians don't agree with your personal "application" of some scriptures. It happens....

 

[ZacharyB]

The one that Is highlighted In post 29,I wanted to read It In context.

Can you actually read and understand anything?

 

[ZacharyB]

Perhaps what is really happening is that some Christians don't agree with your personal "application" of some scriptures. It happens....

Which (vertical) level of hell are you aspiring to?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Can you actually read and understand anything?

I understand that GOD Is not the author of confusion,and since the scriptures are Inspired by GOD,would you agree that John 3:16 doesnt talk about enduring?

Since you asked me If I understand, now I ask you a question that requires only a YES or a NO.

 

[Grace777x70]

Which (vertical) level of hell are you aspiring to?

okie dokie....

I rest my case....