What’s involved in doing God’s will unto salvation?

VCO · Dec 3, 2016

Zachary, you are wrong, primarily because you are not really listening to what we have all been trying to explain, about our beliefs. You cannot, in your mind, seem to get the CART (good works and obedience) back behind the HORSE (SAVED by GRACE).

Obedience never produces SALVATION, HOWEVER, genuine SALVATION, will always produce a continuous desire to Obey, as a way to show our LOVE for HIM.

IN A NUTSHELL:

You are SAVED the moment you open your heart believe, because SALVATION by GRACE,

is not a work of man's decision; it is purely a Work of the Holy Spirit, that we cannot earn.

1. HE empowers you to BELIEVE.
. . .John 7:37-39, Rom. 15:13

2. HE births your once dead human spirit into eternal life.
. . .Col. 2:13-14, John 3:3-8, John 3:36

3. HE immerses you into the spiritual body of Christ.
. . .1 Cor. 12:13, Rom. 8:1, Rom. 12:4-5

4. HE pours GOD's LOVE directly into your heart.
. . .Rom. 5:5, 1 John 4:7

5. HE begins to Teach you All things with spiritual understanding pertaining to CHRIST.
. . .John 14:26, 1 Cor. 2:10-13

6. HE enables you via GOD's LOVE to receive Jesus as LORD, meaning MASTER. {SAVED}
. . .John 1:12-13, Col. 2:6, Rom. 10:9, Jer. 3:14, Jude 1:4

7. HE via GOD's LOVE, enables you to begin your lifelong, lovingly walk of Obedience.
. . .John 14:15, John 14:23, Deut. 30:6, Php. 1:6, 1 John 5:3, Jude 1:21

What you seem to be confusing, is the FACT that SALVATION and SANCTIFICATION are two different things.

Salvation happens the moment we first Believe, because of the finished work HE did on the Cross.

Sanctification is a lifelong process of obedience, where we continually strive to become more like CHRIST, because we LOVE HIM.

seed_time_harvest · Dec 3, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

WOW..so sin is greater than Christ's righteousness and His blood?....Not a snowball's chance in hell.

Our righteousness is NOT based on us but it is Christ's righteousness alone. This is the fatal error of works-based salvationists mindsets which nullifies the grace of Christ from taking effect in our lives.

Much more! Pay attention to the much more of Christ's work over sin that is from Adam.

Romans 5:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.

Romans 5:20-21 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,

[SUP]21 [/SUP] so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Grace reigns ( acts as king and lord in our lives ) because of righteousness - and it is Christ's righteousness which is a gift. It is not something you earn or do to get.

Get this wrong and the whole gospel of the grace of Christ gets twisted to be a works-based religion of behavior modification program which really denies the work of the Lord Jesus Christ on the cross and resurrection.

We need to have our minds renewed to the truth of the gospel so that we can walk free and have the life of Christ that is in us in our new creation in Christ be manifested outwardly to reflect the righteousness and holiness that is in us in our inner man. Eph. 4:24

They put the flesh first Instead of understanding thats Its because of JESUS that we can be saved,then they say,whether they know It or not,that they keep the law plus they are under grace,meaning,GOD did It all and I helped.

PinkDiamond · Dec 3, 2016

PeterJens said:

I understand the point you are making. It's true that there is a contradiction within a lot of churches. I personally believe that it's possible to love God with all our heart, mind, soul, and strength and experience victory over sin in this life. That is supposed to be the believers experience after conversion. We overcome sin through his grace. I think our view on whether it is difficult or easy to obey God depends on our spiritual state and how diligently we are seeking God and sowing to our spiritual life through Scripture reading. I know that the periods of my life that I've experienced the least victory over sin and felt overwhelmed with life were the times that I wasn't regularly focusing on spiritual things.

Grace777x70 · Dec 3, 2016

PinkDiamond said:

I agree...but we can only do this through the grace of God because Christ is in us and it is His life that makes all this happen. The person you are conversing with has the things said backwards.

I say that no person has loved the Lord God with all his might, strength, mind and soul but only Jesus has loved the Lord His God with all His might, strength, mind and soul. We live through him and thus we too can do this. Jesus was the only person to really fulfill the greatest commandment in the Law.

The person you are conversing with sees the statement I just made and in his mind he concludes that I say no one can love the Lord now and that we are in sin constantly. I say the complete opposite.

- I say that we can do all this now through Christ's life being manifested in and through us. I say that we have been cut away from the flesh by the circumcision of Christ where the law of sin is in the flesh still. Romans 7:14-23

Sometimes the fact that malice and slandering others in the body of Christ is just as much sinning as living a homosexual lifestyle bothers us religious minded people too because we love to 'categorize" sin.

But the truth is all these are in the very same verses as sexual sinning. Some will now say that I am saying it's ok to live in a homosexual lifestyle.,......but that is the type of a mindset that we sometimes have to deal with. I don't interact with these types anymore I until I see a change in their behavior as it just causes strife and division and it's a useless endeavor.

I say we need to depend on the life of Christ on the inside of us for life and living now and it is all by grace through faith. I say preach and teach the grace of Christ so that we can grow up in Him and awake to the righteousness that is in us because we are a new creation in Christ.

Cee · Dec 3, 2016

Yes we need obedience and we need grace to be obedient.

No we do not live in sin, we follow the Spirit of Christ.

Yes we have a yoke, but we can joyfully celebrate His yoke that is easy and light.

Yes we are called to be persecuted like Christ was, but we can do it by His grace and the joy set before us.

Yes we continue on to be saved, but we can continue because we are believers and overcomers which is shown by our faith.

Yes we fulfill the law because we love one another because He loved us first.

The Spirit empowers us to fulfill His commands.

Where this gets twisted is when we say things like.... I love God so He will love me... I follow God so I can be saved... No, you follow God because you ARE saved.

I do question if some know saving grace. Not because I disagree with their theology, but because of disregard for love, grace, and forgiveness which is what saved them in the first place.

I wonder if when Christ says did you learn to love like Me? What their answer will be? I pray myself that I will be able to genuinely say yes. Because my love for others reveals if I've received His.

When Jesus divides us into sheep and goats, and our words for each other become witnesses against us, will our actions show we to love one another? Will they put us with those who loved Him or those who hated Him?

And when we look at even those actions, and our wisdom, and our gifting will the words of 1 Co 13 highlight our lives? Even if I do all things, but have not love, I am nothing and profit nothing.

Just as God desires cheerful givers, I believe He desires cheerful lovers. Which only comes because of His love and forgiveness that touches our heart so deep. Our lives reveal our daily worship affixed on Him. And we cast our thrones upon His feet because of the inexpressible grace found in Him.

Do we love Him? If we don't love each other, Scripture says we don't love Him. If our lives are not marked by the fruit of His Spirit. We might want see if we are abiding in the Vine.

mailmandan · Dec 4, 2016

ZacharyB said:

Hebrews 10:39 - But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul. *Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul and those who believe to the saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition.

PinkDiamond · Dec 4, 2016

Cee said:

Yes we need obedience and we need grace to be obedient.

No we do not live in sin, we follow the Spirit of Christ.

Yes we have a yoke, but we can joyfully celebrate His yoke that is easy and light.

Yes we are called to be persecuted like Christ was, but we can do it by His grace and the joy set before us.

Yes we continue on to be saved, but we can continue because we are believers and overcomers which is shown by our faith.

Yes we fulfill the law because we love one another because He loved us first.

The Spirit empowers us to fulfill His commands.

Where this gets twisted is when we say things like.... I love God so He will love me... I follow God so I can be saved... No, you follow God because you ARE saved.

I do question if some know saving grace. Not because I disagree with their theology, but because of disregard for love, grace, and forgiveness which is what saved them in the first place.

I wonder if when Christ says did you learn to love like Me? What their answer will be? I pray myself that I will be able to genuinely say yes. Because my love for others reveals if I've received His.

When Jesus divides us into sheep and goats, and our words for each other become witnesses against us, will our actions show we to love one another? Will they put us with those who loved Him or those who hated Him?

And when we look at even those actions, and our wisdom, and our gifting will the words of 1 Co 13 highlight our lives? Even if I do all things, but have not love, I am nothing and profit nothing.

Just as God desires cheerful givers, I believe He desires cheerful lovers. Which only comes because of His love and forgiveness that touches our heart so deep. Our lives reveal our daily worship affixed on Him. And we cast our thrones upon His feet because of the inexpressible grace found in Him.

Do we love Him? If we don't love each other, Scripture says we don't love Him. If our lives are not marked by the fruit of His Spirit. We might want see if we are abiding in the Vine.

Great post. I especially liked your last point.

PeterJens · Dec 4, 2016

I am glad that G7 believes we can all walk acceptably before God.

Amen, what a work Christ has done in our lives.

All the impressions I have are because of what people in the past have said, but if
it is clarified through Christ we walk in obedience to the law, Amen.

I take nothing personally, because it is fellowship with Christ that is our first priority.

Now the problem is always what people actually believe, not how it appears. Some love
to turn things into a polarisation game, when in truth we either follow Jesus or are lost.

Now my testimony is this, love may abound more in those called by His Name. We were
all once sinners, lost and in darkness, may we all walk as brothers and sisters into His
glorious light.

Jesus took 12 disciples and in 3 years changed the world. That is the effect of God
walking openly with people who have an open heart.

Grace777x70 said:

PeterJens · Dec 4, 2016

As a small observation, over the last year, the subject and agreement has moved on.

One extreme end is the sermon on the mount is viewed as condemnation only to create the
need for Christ in someones life. People shared they could not read it without condemnation.
Another said the sermon on the mount was old covenant, and did not apply to believers.
One teacher from holland expounded on how the Lords prayer is old covenant and not for believers.

Another contributor said any reading of the law was wrong, and led to legalism.

Now this is an extremely dispensational view, saying that grace in Christ only started after
the cross, and for some part way through acts.

Now this is just a view, which you can adopt as your own or disown it.
I do not agree with the above dispensational view, and regard some expressions as heretical.

For me there are always two steps to theology. The definition of a belief system,
and then ones own personal conviction to that position.

Where I have grown recently is in seeing Pauls argument between law and grace,
love being the fulfillment of the law and conquering of the influence of the flesh.

Now if this can be seen now as truly walking in righteousness without a doctrine
of inability through inheritence from Adam, theologically this is a massive step which
historically has been held by holiness movements like the methodists.

I am aware how each chain of thought is a learning experience of proposition and
exploration. What we can achieve in cc can be unique and a great blessing if we
realise all of us can change and move in Gods grace to greater purity and clarity
of thought and experience. So it is through integrity and honesty we achieve these
heights, and nothing cannot be scaled, even when we start with, why me.

Amen, and glory to Christ our King.

Where mistakes get made is by saying others are anti-christ or evil, when it is an
expressed view of faith, rather than an act of rebellion against God or His word.

DiscipleDave · Dec 4, 2016

ZacharyB said:

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Matthew 7 (NLT):
21 “Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’, will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter.
22 On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name
and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’
23 But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’ ”

Mark 9:47 -- entering the kingdom of Heaven/God is the opposite of being cast into hell.
Matthew 25:34-46 -- Inheriting the kingdom is for the righteous who gain eternal life.
So, the bottom line is: entering the kingdom of Heaven/God is like gaining eternal life.

People on Christian forums usually only see the Pentecostal part of the above.
But, this whole teaching is about DOING GOD’s WILL.
It stands against people who “practice lawlessness” (NKJV) -- who break God’s laws!
To do God’s will, one needs to be practicing righteousness, not lawlessness!
This is my favorite NT verse about practicing righteousness:
“In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest:
whoever does NOT practice righteousness is NOT of God” (1 John 3:10, NKJV)

So, how about DOING GOD’s WILL … and stop breaking God’s laws!

“God’s will is for you to be holy, so stay away from sexual sin.
Then each of you will control his own body – and live in holiness and honor –
not in lustful passion like the pagans do who do not know God and his ways.
… God has called us to live holy lives, not impure lives. Therefore, anyone
who refuses to live by these rules is not disobeying human teaching, but is
rejecting God, who gives his Holy Spirit to you.” (1 Thessalonians 4:3-8, NLT)

“Patient endurance(*) is what you need now, so that you will continue to do
God’s will. Then you will receive all that he has promised.” (Hebrews 10:36, NLT)
(*) endurance in everything: belief-faith-trust-obedience

“And the world is passing away, and the lust of it;
but he who does the will of God abides forever.” (1 John 2:17, NKJV)

The amazing thing is … because the Scriptures are all inspired by God …
ALL commands and instructions given to believers are about doing the will of God.

Matthew 7 (NLT):
24 “Anyone who listens to my teaching and follows it is wise,
like a person who builds a house on solid rock.
25 Though the rain comes in torrents and the floodwaters rise and the winds
beat against that house, it won’t collapse because it is built on bedrock.
26 But anyone who hears my teaching and doesn’t obey it is foolish,
like a person who builds a house on sand.
27 When the rains and floods come and the winds beat against that house,
it will collapse with a might crash.”

As with all of God’s warnings, many people insist they must be referring to rewards.
But, these 4 verses are about LOSING SALVATION.
Yes, when a believer’s wonderful spiritual house of salvation
(attained through God’s incredible free gift of faith through grace)
collapses with a mighty crash, it is not referring to losing some great reward(s)!

Yes, if you are NOT following Jesus’ teaching, you are sinning.
If you are NOT sincerely repenting of your sins, they are NOT being washed away.
This is what all of the many dire warnings in the NT are all about …
sin results in eternal death.

So, be sure that your continuing sins are continuously being
confessed and covered over by Jesus’ precious blood (1 John 1:7-9).

Your sincere repentance will display that your heart attitude is correct and pleasing to God.

The Will of God is this: That we Love One Another.

The Apostle John plainly tells us in The Word of God, what His Commandments are:

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should 1) believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and 2) love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

The Will of God is that we Believe on Jesus Christ AND LOVE ONE ANOTHER. Woe to any person who fails to Love One Another, that is what is sinful, that is what you will account for on Judgement Day.

^i^
In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ.
DiscipleDave

ZacharyB · Dec 4, 2016

VCO said:

Another OSAS believer who has been deceived ...
because there are several VERY OBVIOUS WARNINGS in the NT ...
about believers in the churches losing eternal life, gaining eternal death, etc.

People in the churches who fall away and lose eternal life
... obviously had eternal life at one time!
These folks are NOT unbelievers.

DiscipleDave · Dec 4, 2016

This statement is True. However it does not mean that person will remain in that good standing his/her whole life.

ZacharyB said:

Also let us not forget to mention the few verses which plainly teach a person's name can be blotted out of the Book of Life. If a person is blotted out of the Book of Life, that plainly means prior to being blotted out, their name was written in the Book of Life. This generation better start finding out the Truth, instead of blindly believing once your name is written in the Book of Life it can never be blotted out, never be removed. OSAS is a lie from satan and Scriptures proves it.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

Grace777x70 · Dec 4, 2016

Works-based salvationists always deny the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ and base salvation on what "they do" and not on Christ Himself.

The Holy Spirit is with us forever Jesus said.

John 14:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]"I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

[SUP]17 [/SUP]that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.

Ephesians 1:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

The Spirit of truth is with us forever!

2 John 1:2 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] for the sake of the truth which abides in us and will be with us forever:

Jesus said that the Holy Spirit will be with us and in us forever. John 14:16-17. Our Lord is NOT a liar.

John says we are safe in the Lord as He keeps us. Isn't that exciting to know that?

PeterJens · Dec 4, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

Who defines the meaning of the words we speak? Who is the real authority and the
basis upon which we make judgements? God.

Now you would think if God says, those who walk in my ways, who have faith in me
I will forgive and forget their sins, and remember the righteous acts, would pay attention.

The next part is the killer. Those who loose faith, who abandon God and do evil, the Lord
will forget there righteous ways as if they never happened and judge them for their sin.

So all statements about the Lord are for those who abide in Him and stay in Him.
The promises are for those who reach out in faith and rely on His grace and mercy through
the cross, gain his forgiveness.

These are not difficult realities, told time and again throughout scripture.
If you see people who loose faith in the security of their position, start to rely on false
foundations and fall to their deaths. In eternity, do you think the Lord can rely on people
such as these to know what to do, and not destroy the very things He has built.

So let me put it like this. I am a rubbish driver, I right off lots of cars. I go on a course
and learn to drive well. I then decide it is all rubbish and righting off cars is a laugh.

Where is the person? To be trusted into eternity with this approach of the heart, or because
of a flash in the pan they know what everything is all about? Eternity is not so far away and
the issues so mysterious. Where is your heart really and what matters to you above anything
else?

Cee · Dec 4, 2016

"The next part is the killer. Those who loose faith, who abandon God and do evil, the Lord
will forget there righteous ways as if they never happened and judge them for their sin."

Peter, our righteous ways aren't why we are saved though. We enter into Christ's righteousness. We become joined with His Spirit and He gives us His Spirit as a "guarantee".

PeterJens said:

Who defines the meaning of the words we speak? Who is the real authority and the
basis upon which we make judgements? God.

Now you would think if God says, those who walk in my ways, who have faith in me
I will forgive and forget their sins, and remember the righteous acts, would pay attention.

The next part is the killer. Those who loose faith, who abandon God and do evil, the Lord
will forget there righteous ways as if they never happened and judge them for their sin.

So all statements about the Lord are for those who abide in Him and stay in Him.
The promises are for those who reach out in faith and rely on His grace and mercy through
the cross, gain his forgiveness.

These are not difficult realities, told time and again throughout scripture.
If you see people who loose faith in the security of their position, start to rely on false
foundations and fall to their deaths. In eternity, do you think the Lord can rely on people
such as these to know what to do, and not destroy the very things He has built.

So let me put it like this. I am a rubbish driver, I right off lots of cars. I go on a course
and learn to drive well. I then decide it is all rubbish and righting off cars is a laugh.

Where is the person? To be trusted into eternity with this approach of the heart, or because
of a flash in the pan they know what everything is all about? Eternity is not so far away and
the issues so mysterious. Where is your heart really and what matters to you above anything
else?

PeterJens · Dec 5, 2016

Cee said:

Cee, you seem an honest guy. Let me put it simply, we both know what salvation is and is
not. We know we forever stand on the cross and Christ.

Now the simple disagreement is peoples hearts and the aspiration of walking as Jesus did.
All I am putting forward is in scripture Jesus, Paul etc held out the expectation of walking well.

But what is within is not religious words, or theories, for some is a complex mess of psychological
conflicts and waring emotions. For others there is less to resolve, and the answers appear simpler.

Yesterday I was talking to a fellow christian about a previous pastor we had. He was an honourable
man but never touched or showed what was within, rather preferred the show and being romantic
about roles and authority. When this did not work, he became paranoid and would not trust people.

Until people can let people into their hearts and be honest about how they are the theology is almost
irrelevant. Jesus calls us to walk with an open heart.

It is hard to talk about being in Christ without an open heart.

PeterJens · Dec 5, 2016

A sad conclusion.

Everything I hold to is from scripture. It is reading and weighing the word of God.

If you conclude I am wrong, which is always possible, you have to answer the scripture
upon which a particular position is based.

For instance saying you have a guarantee, is true, but guarantees come with conditions.
The most common guarantee condition is fair use. If you beat up the thing you have got,
abuse it and ask it to do things it should not do, the giver of the guarantee often will refuse
to honour it.

Now this is a simple principle we follow, and God gives time and again guarantees which are
conditional. Now an unconditional guarantee leaves the giver open to abuse. If the whole
point of a gift is to obtain an specific outcome or situation, and this fails to come about,
why should the giver honour anything, because the whole point has been undermined.

It has never been us who define the conditions, or the walk, or the purpose, yet it appears
by the very way people are talking, they want to define faith only their way and deliver
their outcomes, and call it all acceptable, when scripture denies this very thing.

PeterJens · Dec 5, 2016

Paul in romans says this

Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

Romans 6:16-18

We are offering ourselves as slaves to obedience, to follow it, with leads to righteousness.

And the reward as Paul puts it is

To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.
Romans 2:7

Faith is a spur for us to offer ourselves as slaves to obedience, to persist in doing good.
This is what it means to walk in our salvation.

PeterJens · Dec 5, 2016

But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.
Rom 6:22

By obedience to God, we are led to righteousness, which lead to holiness which results
in eternal life.

Paul cements obedience as the cornerstone to walking in Grace.

mailmandan · Dec 5, 2016

PeterJens said:

Romans 6:17 - We obey that form of teaching and are freed from sin when we choose to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16). Read Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?"

In Romans 6:16, there is a contrast here between servants/slaves. There are only two kinds of servants/slaves in this world, in the spiritual sense; servants/slaves of sin unto death, or servants/slaves of obedience unto righteousness. When we place our faith exclusively in Christ for salvation/believe the gospel by trusting in His finished work of redemption as the all sufficient means of our salvation, we then become "servants of obedience unto righteousness." Being slaves of sin is put in the past tense. Paul goes on in Romans 6:18 - "You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness."

*Notice in Romans 10:10 - For with the heart one believes unto righteousness..

*Notice in Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith (not works) is accounted for righteousness.

If one reads Romans 2:6-10 in isolation from the rest of the book of Romans, one might conclude that Paul was teaching salvation by works. However, as you read and study these passages, it is imperative to keep in mind that these verses do not describe how one becomes saved, but the way the saved conduct their lives. These deeds done are the result of, not the means or basis of receiving eternal life. So patient continuance in well doing, seeking for glory, honor, and immortality; (vs. 7) is not at all set forth as the means of their procuring eternal life, but as a description of those to whom God does render life eternal. Notice that ALL who receive eternal life are described as such, everyone who does good (vs. 10). Good deeds flow from a heart that is saved and evil deeds flow from a heart that is unsaved. Verse 8 - but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness--indignation and wrath. Notice that ALL who do not receive eternal life are described as such, everyone who does evil (vs. 9).

What those passages convey is that though our deeds are judged by God, it's not the good deeds themselves which are the basis or means of receiving eternal life, but the type of deeds expose whether our heart was saved, or not. These deeds done out of faith are the fruit, not the root of salvation. If Paul wanted to teach that we are saved by works, then he would have clearly stated that we are saved through faith and works/deeds in Ephesians 2:8,9 and that we are justified by faith and works/deeds in Romans 5:1, but that is clearly NOT what Paul said.

What’s involved in doing God’s will unto salvation?

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