Word of Faith - a Look at what the Bible says!
- Thread starter Angela53510
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
never said you were against it, just you had a shallow view of it. and WoF only stands on what the bible says God will do, not man says he will or will not do. and they really don't make it about them selfs, heck Hagin was known more of those close to him for his love walk than faith. and i dodn't brag about how smart i am, just that i was smarter than you think i am... and good thing you don't lol i think there might be a communication problem on your end you must not understand or maybe you cant reason with what i say. but hey
6 [FONT="]But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that [/FONT][FONT="]he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]you forget half of verses that talk of his good measure.
Note the difference of the verb: not simply exists, but comes to pass as; proves to be, habitually, so that he who approaches God has, through faith, the assurance that his seeking God will result in good to himself. Μισθαποδότης rewarder, N.T.o. Comp. μισθαποδοσία recompense of reward,
Rewarder=one who pays wages *context*
so yeah, you are pointing something out, i am pretty sure its not what you think it is.
6 [FONT="]But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that [/FONT][FONT="]he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]you forget half of verses that talk of his good measure.
Note the difference of the verb: not simply exists, but comes to pass as; proves to be, habitually, so that he who approaches God has, through faith, the assurance that his seeking God will result in good to himself. Μισθαποδότης rewarder, N.T.o. Comp. μισθαποδοσία recompense of reward,
Rewarder=one who pays wages *context*
so yeah, you are pointing something out, i am pretty sure its not what you think it is.
So what? How does this statement, "If Kenyon himself wouldnt be bothered about it all, why should anyone else?" justify hagin plagerizing kenyon's work word for word the right thing to do? It goes the character of the man wanderer. Besides, look what Hillary Clinton did that put our country at risk and what did she say? "I made a mistake and I'm sorry."
Hagin never said he was sorry or that he made a mistake or even come close to admitting his plagerizing. Remember I said for the sake of argument "let's throw out hagin's prosperty message?" Ok, let's throw out his plagerizing problem, what else is there about the man you want to "cover" for? You want me to tell you?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Hagin never said he was sorry or that he made a mistake or even come close to admitting his plagerizing. Remember I said for the sake of argument "let's throw out hagin's prosperty message?" Ok, let's throw out his plagerizing problem, what else is there about the man you want to "cover" for? You want me to tell you?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
So what? How does this statement, "If Kenyon himself wouldnt be bothered about it all, why should anyone else?" justify hagin plagerizing kenyon's work word for word the right thing to do? It goes the character of the man wanderer. Besides, look what Hillary Clinton did that put our country at risk and what did she say? "I made a mistake and I'm sorry."
Hagin never said he was sorry or that he made a mistake or even come close to admitting his plagerizing. Remember I said for the sake of argument "let's throw out hagin's prosperty message?" Ok, let's throw out his plagerizing problem, what else is there about the man you want to "cover" for? You want me to tell you?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Hagin never said he was sorry or that he made a mistake or even come close to admitting his plagerizing. Remember I said for the sake of argument "let's throw out hagin's prosperty message?" Ok, let's throw out his plagerizing problem, what else is there about the man you want to "cover" for? You want me to tell you?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
and go ahead and say anything Bluto, i got the truth with me, i got love with me. you have nothing but some built up bitterness towards the man, and all the lies you hold on to. bring them, i'll break them all.
First of all wanderer, I did read the full link. Second of all, I want to back track to what you said in your original thread.
"whats up, i'm part of a WOF church, actully Rhema one of the biggest! and i go to there bible college and plan to minister ast a WOF pastor one day. i thought it would be nice to answer and questions you might have, confirm WOF teaching to you, and clear up any misconceptions might be out there,"
I would like to know why you posted this in the first place? Why is it that you want to "confirm WOF teaching" to us and clear up any misconceptions that might be out there?" Who told you there are misconceptions out there about wof teachings? And how do you know all of these misconceptions are false and in your opinion baseless.
Yes, I posted what I know about wof and so did some others of us that were actuall wof'ers but got out. I also told you I was never wof but was very familar with it's teachings since the very early 1980's. In fact, when we lived in Southeren California I (and others who were more knowledgable than me) were on this main Christian radio station in those days known as KKLA. In fact, it is still on today. We were on from Midnight till 2:00am in the morning exclusively dealing with wof issues from any teacher/preacher you could name including those that appeared on TBN.
If I remember correctly we had visitors on there such as Michael Horton, John Stewart, Craig Hawkins from CRI and other Pastors and teachers including I think Dave Hunt. Why do you think I'm saying all of this? Do you really think I and everybody else (from those early days till now) have some sort of "hidden" agenda?
The fact of the matter is we all care and we are obligated by God's word to confront false teachings in whatever form it may take. You may not like it, (which I know you don't) but those are the facts. And don't think I did not notice how when we started talking about wof I mentioned people like kenneth copeland and you said, "well I don't follow him." You kept the conversation strickly on kenneth hagin in spite of the fact your opening thread said, "misconceptions about wof."
There's a song called "Love and Marriage," you can't have one without the other. Well, in wof you can't have hagin without the others. They are all tied together by the same umbillical cord. And they all have a common thread in what they say. That is they mix truth with their error to make appear orthodox. That is why it is so important to pay attention to every single word that is said and how the words are used in their context.
Hagin claimed that Jesus Christ personally visited him in visions on various occasions. Can you please tell me how you would know whether or not his visions are true? How would you test them? In fact, how would test anybody that says that Jesus Christ appeared to them? You should know, that some of us here really do care!
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
"whats up, i'm part of a WOF church, actully Rhema one of the biggest! and i go to there bible college and plan to minister ast a WOF pastor one day. i thought it would be nice to answer and questions you might have, confirm WOF teaching to you, and clear up any misconceptions might be out there,"
I would like to know why you posted this in the first place? Why is it that you want to "confirm WOF teaching" to us and clear up any misconceptions that might be out there?" Who told you there are misconceptions out there about wof teachings? And how do you know all of these misconceptions are false and in your opinion baseless.
Yes, I posted what I know about wof and so did some others of us that were actuall wof'ers but got out. I also told you I was never wof but was very familar with it's teachings since the very early 1980's. In fact, when we lived in Southeren California I (and others who were more knowledgable than me) were on this main Christian radio station in those days known as KKLA. In fact, it is still on today. We were on from Midnight till 2:00am in the morning exclusively dealing with wof issues from any teacher/preacher you could name including those that appeared on TBN.
If I remember correctly we had visitors on there such as Michael Horton, John Stewart, Craig Hawkins from CRI and other Pastors and teachers including I think Dave Hunt. Why do you think I'm saying all of this? Do you really think I and everybody else (from those early days till now) have some sort of "hidden" agenda?
The fact of the matter is we all care and we are obligated by God's word to confront false teachings in whatever form it may take. You may not like it, (which I know you don't) but those are the facts. And don't think I did not notice how when we started talking about wof I mentioned people like kenneth copeland and you said, "well I don't follow him." You kept the conversation strickly on kenneth hagin in spite of the fact your opening thread said, "misconceptions about wof."
There's a song called "Love and Marriage," you can't have one without the other. Well, in wof you can't have hagin without the others. They are all tied together by the same umbillical cord. And they all have a common thread in what they say. That is they mix truth with their error to make appear orthodox. That is why it is so important to pay attention to every single word that is said and how the words are used in their context.
Hagin claimed that Jesus Christ personally visited him in visions on various occasions. Can you please tell me how you would know whether or not his visions are true? How would you test them? In fact, how would test anybody that says that Jesus Christ appeared to them? You should know, that some of us here really do care!
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
L
you sound more like your own pro bono lawyer then someone who is studying to be a pastor of WOF
what you deserve is what we all deserve here from people who are supposed to be Christians
you have not provided that to others, but you sure know how to take offence and come off sounding like an injured party
did you actually think that people are ignorant of where Hagin got his teachings from?
welcome to the real world...where real facts are given and the classroom of WOF where everyone but WOF preachers are wrong
L
utter nonsense
this, is from your profile regarding when you were saved:
when i was born but i didn't know till 2010
maybe you could explain that...seems you have been saved 6 years...no one is saved from birth..of course you can explain that because no one would like to draw unsubstantiated conclusions
stating God knew us before we were born does not mean saved from birth
and by the way? excusing the plagerism of Hagin by saying the Spirit of God is plagiarized is beyond nonsensical...
D
Stick to topic much? Yeah. I did keep up, until recently. This post, (unlike so many on BDF), had purpose. You've been pulling it off purpose for so long, I don't remember what your purpose is.
Sort of like people talking about chairs, and you want to make sure everyone is talking about the three-legged, high-back, pine with rush-seat dyed-indigo 42 years ago but worn with age, particularly on the right arm, eagles' clawed, of course, chair. And if everyone isn't particularly focused on that chair, then obviously everyone is wrong.
But, this was about chairs, not your particular personal take on what a chair ought to be.
Sort of like people talking about chairs, and you want to make sure everyone is talking about the three-legged, high-back, pine with rush-seat dyed-indigo 42 years ago but worn with age, particularly on the right arm, eagles' clawed, of course, chair. And if everyone isn't particularly focused on that chair, then obviously everyone is wrong.
But, this was about chairs, not your particular personal take on what a chair ought to be.
a lawyer that's smarter than you thought, go back to post 902 and try and respond if you can....
i have given more proof that you can see in your narrow gaze, sister.
no i didn't, but i thought many like your self cant understand truth so you slight it...
yes welcome to the real world sister, where a 28 year old show you up, go back to #902
i have given more proof that you can see in your narrow gaze, sister.
no i didn't, but i thought many like your self cant understand truth so you slight it...
yes welcome to the real world sister, where a 28 year old show you up, go back to #902
utter nonsense
this, is from your profile regarding when you were saved:
when i was born but i didn't know till 2010
maybe you could explain that...seems you have been saved 6 years...no one is saved from birth..of course you can explain that because no one would like to draw unsubstantiated conclusions
stating God knew us before we were born does not mean saved from birth
and by the way? excusing the plagerism of Hagin by saying the Spirit of God is plagiarized is beyond nonsensical...
this, is from your profile regarding when you were saved:
when i was born but i didn't know till 2010
maybe you could explain that...seems you have been saved 6 years...no one is saved from birth..of course you can explain that because no one would like to draw unsubstantiated conclusions
stating God knew us before we were born does not mean saved from birth
and by the way? excusing the plagerism of Hagin by saying the Spirit of God is plagiarized is beyond nonsensical...
He knew me, He died for me, my salvation was won and gained 2017 years ago on a cross, i just had to see it was and receive it.
know but salvation was won for all before we were born, we just have to realize we already have the gift that was paid for with His blood.
and btw you can accuse him of plagiarizing all you want. but when the person he was and the ministry he represents says, he didn't. you look unintelligent.
Spoken with true arrogance. So is this:
That was a polite way to say "I thought it would be nice if I told you how wrong you are."
All I see here is a troll. Anybody could have searched the internet & presented this.
WOF is trash, absolute garbage. You knew you would trigger a fight.
That was a polite way to say "I thought it would be nice if I told you how wrong you are."
All I see here is a troll. Anybody could have searched the internet & presented this.
WOF is trash, absolute garbage. You knew you would trigger a fight.
First of all wanderer, I did read the full link. Second of all, I want to back track to what you said in your original thread.
"whats up, i'm part of a WOF church, actully Rhema one of the biggest! and i go to there bible college and plan to minister ast a WOF pastor one day. i thought it would be nice to answer and questions you might have, confirm WOF teaching to you, and clear up any misconceptions might be out there,"
I would like to know why you posted this in the first place? Why is it that you want to "confirm WOF teaching" to us and clear up any misconceptions that might be out there?" Who told you there are misconceptions out there about wof teachings? And how do you know all of these misconceptions are false and in your opinion baseless.
Yes, I posted what I know about wof and so did some others of us that were actuall wof'ers but got out. I also told you I was never wof but was very familar with it's teachings since the very early 1980's. In fact, when we lived in Southeren California I (and others who were more knowledgable than me) were on this main Christian radio station in those days known as KKLA. In fact, it is still on today. We were on from Midnight till 2:00am in the morning exclusively dealing with wof issues from any teacher/preacher you could name including those that appeared on TBN.
If I remember correctly we had visitors on there such as Michael Horton, John Stewart, Craig Hawkins from CRI and other Pastors and teachers including I think Dave Hunt. Why do you think I'm saying all of this? Do you really think I and everybody else (from those early days till now) have some sort of "hidden" agenda?
The fact of the matter is we all care and we are obligated by God's word to confront false teachings in whatever form it may take. You may not like it, (which I know you don't) but those are the facts. And don't think I did not notice how when we started talking about wof I mentioned people like kenneth copeland and you said, "well I don't follow him." You kept the conversation strickly on kenneth hagin in spite of the fact your opening thread said, "misconceptions about wof."
There's a song called "Love and Marriage," you can't have one without the other. Well, in wof you can't have hagin without the others. They are all tied together by the same umbillical cord. And they all have a common thread in what they say. That is they mix truth with their error to make appear orthodox. That is why it is so important to pay attention to every single word that is said and how the words are used in their context.
Hagin claimed that Jesus Christ personally visited him in visions on various occasions. Can you please tell me how you would know whether or not his visions are true? How would you test them? In fact, how would test anybody that says that Jesus Christ appeared to them? You should know, that some of us here really do care!
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
"whats up, i'm part of a WOF church, actully Rhema one of the biggest! and i go to there bible college and plan to minister ast a WOF pastor one day. i thought it would be nice to answer and questions you might have, confirm WOF teaching to you, and clear up any misconceptions might be out there,"
I would like to know why you posted this in the first place? Why is it that you want to "confirm WOF teaching" to us and clear up any misconceptions that might be out there?" Who told you there are misconceptions out there about wof teachings? And how do you know all of these misconceptions are false and in your opinion baseless.
Yes, I posted what I know about wof and so did some others of us that were actuall wof'ers but got out. I also told you I was never wof but was very familar with it's teachings since the very early 1980's. In fact, when we lived in Southeren California I (and others who were more knowledgable than me) were on this main Christian radio station in those days known as KKLA. In fact, it is still on today. We were on from Midnight till 2:00am in the morning exclusively dealing with wof issues from any teacher/preacher you could name including those that appeared on TBN.
If I remember correctly we had visitors on there such as Michael Horton, John Stewart, Craig Hawkins from CRI and other Pastors and teachers including I think Dave Hunt. Why do you think I'm saying all of this? Do you really think I and everybody else (from those early days till now) have some sort of "hidden" agenda?
The fact of the matter is we all care and we are obligated by God's word to confront false teachings in whatever form it may take. You may not like it, (which I know you don't) but those are the facts. And don't think I did not notice how when we started talking about wof I mentioned people like kenneth copeland and you said, "well I don't follow him." You kept the conversation strickly on kenneth hagin in spite of the fact your opening thread said, "misconceptions about wof."
There's a song called "Love and Marriage," you can't have one without the other. Well, in wof you can't have hagin without the others. They are all tied together by the same umbillical cord. And they all have a common thread in what they say. That is they mix truth with their error to make appear orthodox. That is why it is so important to pay attention to every single word that is said and how the words are used in their context.
Hagin claimed that Jesus Christ personally visited him in visions on various occasions. Can you please tell me how you would know whether or not his visions are true? How would you test them? In fact, how would test anybody that says that Jesus Christ appeared to them? You should know, that some of us here really do care!
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
and lets remember that link proved you wrong, now moving on.
i posted it because i ran into a few people who were hurt by the Wof, and when i talked with them, how they were hurt was not what i was taught. when i talked with them, and explained what was really taught and the views the way they were, they saw it wasn't what they thought it was. so i thought i would do it here to, but instead of listening and actually giving me a chance to give my peace, i was shot down.
ok let me ask you this, what is the main points of WoF teaching? if you were so well versed what are they?
and BTW i've proved that you have been wrong about a few things you thought were right about WoF, like above. do you think you could be wrong about them in other ways?
ok so what makes you right and them wrong, tell me, show me the context. and yes you can have one without the other, i proved that in your prove all things thread lol whats the unbiblical cord you think there is? name it. not once have you tried with your own word to discredit the Wof teachings... can you do you have the mind for it?
you can tell by it if the visions and what is taught after line up with the word of God(prove all things again) and if you test what Christ said to him in the visions, its nothing new, its just the word of God. then you see the fruit they produce, tell me did you see any great scandals from the man, every one who knew him spoke of his love for people, and his love for God and His word. tell me, what did he preach that was evil, or diabolic? he taught people to live in the abundant life God has for them! and i say that because i really care for you to, i'm not saying God wants everyone to be a millionaire or have a benz, but He doesn't want you to struggle through life ALL the time, He loves so much that His blessings are both spiritual and physical. in THIS life and the NEXT!
i posted it because i ran into a few people who were hurt by the Wof, and when i talked with them, how they were hurt was not what i was taught. when i talked with them, and explained what was really taught and the views the way they were, they saw it wasn't what they thought it was. so i thought i would do it here to, but instead of listening and actually giving me a chance to give my peace, i was shot down.
ok let me ask you this, what is the main points of WoF teaching? if you were so well versed what are they?
and BTW i've proved that you have been wrong about a few things you thought were right about WoF, like above. do you think you could be wrong about them in other ways?
ok so what makes you right and them wrong, tell me, show me the context. and yes you can have one without the other, i proved that in your prove all things thread lol whats the unbiblical cord you think there is? name it. not once have you tried with your own word to discredit the Wof teachings... can you do you have the mind for it?
Hagin claimed that Jesus Christ personally visited him in visions on various occasions. Can you please tell me how you would know whether or not his visions are true? How would you test them? In fact, how would test anybody that says that Jesus Christ appeared to them? You should know, that some of us here really do care!
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
I should probably read through the whole thread before I comment, but...you guys know I can't shut up so - I haven't heard anyone say they don't believe in healing. From what I've read, they all do believe in healing, they just don't believe it's always. And I think they DO believe it requires faith, because that's what we see in the gospels.