"replacement theology" - what is it?
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1 Corinthians 10
6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
Paul is not the author. It was not after Paul's will but the will of Him who worked in Paul to both and will and do the good pleasure of the Holy Spirit, Christ.
Not one thought dot or tittle came from the mind of Paul. If we would accredit it to Paul we would be blaspheming the Holy name of God.
One author of the scriptures, no co-authors
Spiritual meaning can be hidden from the apostles to show us we are to walk by faith and not. By looking at what the apostles do rather than the hand that moves them many I believe had been led astray. Un converted man simply makes them into gods in the likeness of men.
Not one thought dot or tittle came from the mind of Paul. If we would accredit it to Paul we would be blaspheming the Holy name of God.
One author of the scriptures, no co-authors
Spiritual meaning can be hidden from the apostles to show us we are to walk by faith and not. By looking at what the apostles do rather than the hand that moves them many I believe had been led astray. Un converted man simply makes them into gods in the likeness of men.
Regarding the thousand years, after Christ returns to the earth to end the age the following information is listed:
* Satan is bound in the Abyss for a thousand years
* Christ Rules on earth during that same thousand years
* Those who belong to the first resurrection reign with Christ during that thousand years
* Satan is released at the end of the thousand years
* The unrighteous dead are resurrected at the end of that thousand years
Therefore, the thousand years/millennium is not a by product of anything, but is a scriptural truth. The only way that you can justify your position is by interpreting the thousand years with a non-literal interpretation. However, there is nothing in the entire context that would suggest that. Try reading Revelation 20 and believing exactly what it says and you will have the truth. For if you symbolize or spiritualize it, then you will be distorting its literal meaning.
-who then is this parable about?
Luke 19:12 (KJV)
He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country
to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
-Christ said he would come again, did he lie?
John 14:3 (KJV)
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again,
and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
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The kingdoms discussed in Daniel 2:37-40 all ruled over people here on Earth.
And so will God’s Kingdom! The Kingdom of God will be a literal government,
just as the Roman Empire was ruling over people. That Kingdom will be set up
when Jesus Christ returns at the last trump (Revelation 11:15).
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Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be:
but we know that, [when he shall appear], we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
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And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father;
to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
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Some resurrected saints will rule over 10 cities, some over five (Luke 19:17-19)
The parables of the pounds (Luke 19:11-27) and talents(Matthew 25:14-30)
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so when has below happened? tree of life?
In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life,
which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves
of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
8And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem;
half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea:
in summer and in winter shall it be.
Luke 19:12 (KJV)
He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country
to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
-Christ said he would come again, did he lie?
John 14:3 (KJV)
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again,
and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
-
The kingdoms discussed in Daniel 2:37-40 all ruled over people here on Earth.
And so will God’s Kingdom! The Kingdom of God will be a literal government,
just as the Roman Empire was ruling over people. That Kingdom will be set up
when Jesus Christ returns at the last trump (Revelation 11:15).
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Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be:
but we know that, [when he shall appear], we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
-
And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father;
to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
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Some resurrected saints will rule over 10 cities, some over five (Luke 19:17-19)
The parables of the pounds (Luke 19:11-27) and talents(Matthew 25:14-30)
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so when has below happened? tree of life?
In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life,
which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves
of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
8And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem;
half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea:
in summer and in winter shall it be.
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Hello Spurgeoncy,
Scripture is clear in that, Jesus spoke parables only to that generation of Israel and not to his disciples nor to the believers that would follow. For this is what the scripture says:
Then the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Why do You speak to [the people] in parables?”
He replied, “The knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven [has been given to you, but not to them]. Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.
This is why I speak to them in parables:
‘Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.’
In them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled:
‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people’s heart has grown callous; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn, and I
would heal them.’
But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.
Therefore, Jesus spoke parables to that generation of Israel in fulfillment of the scriptures, but to his disciples and all believers, we have been given the knowledge of the kingdom of heaven.
Scripture is clear in that, Jesus spoke parables only to that generation of Israel and not to his disciples nor to the believers that would follow. For this is what the scripture says:
Then the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Why do You speak to [the people] in parables?”
He replied, “The knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven [has been given to you, but not to them]. Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.
This is why I speak to them in parables:
‘Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.’
In them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled:
‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people’s heart has grown callous; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn, and I
would heal them.’
But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.
Therefore, Jesus spoke parables to that generation of Israel in fulfillment of the scriptures, but to his disciples and all believers, we have been given the knowledge of the kingdom of heaven.
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Do you feel like the thread has answered your question Zone?
Having heard various opinions the one thing that strikes me forcibly is that quite a few people simply haven't got a basic understanding of who Israel were, as a constant misunderstanding is that Judah represents and defines all Israel.
If you start from that precept, and then muddle in the idea that God rejected the Jews/Israel, I guess you could end up at replacement.
But the plain truth is that God built his Church on the foundation of Israel,
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow-citizens with the saints, and of the household of God 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
bashing down the middle wall of division in the process.
Having heard various opinions the one thing that strikes me forcibly is that quite a few people simply haven't got a basic understanding of who Israel were, as a constant misunderstanding is that Judah represents and defines all Israel.
If you start from that precept, and then muddle in the idea that God rejected the Jews/Israel, I guess you could end up at replacement.
But the plain truth is that God built his Church on the foundation of Israel,
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow-citizens with the saints, and of the household of God 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
bashing down the middle wall of division in the process.
K
But you aren't speaking the truth. This false doctrine has a long history,which I posted earlier,in antisemitism. It has been the cause of innocent Jews being murdered,pograms,blood libels and false accusations. And Christians ought to denounce it outright. I did not say God was a respecter of persons,He does have two plans,one for the Jews and one for the Gentiles. I wish the horrid doctrine of replacement,suppressionism,what ever name it goes under,would be gone forever. It is,as I have said, a lie from satan himself.
K
I would be very careful with sayings like "from satan himself" about the oposite theological view.
There is always a very very slight chance that you are wrong and you dont want to find out you called it like this, then. Right?
There is always a very very slight chance that you are wrong and you dont want to find out you called it like this, then. Right?
No brother,Im not wrong. If you would give what I have posted an honest read,what the church fathers said,the persecution and hatred of the Jews and the history that follows this doctrine you would agree with me. I dont blame people who innocently fall into the doctrine and I have patently walked people through this with people before. But for others there is hatred of the Jews and that is from satan himself.And I stand by that comment,I feel that strongly about it. And I have been here two years and people know Im not one to throw around that kind of term.
I don't know how Esau served Jacob, I don't think the bible says. But what it does say in Romans is that HE DID and Jacob was elect and Esau was not. I suspect that Esau (flesh Israel) served Jacob (true Israel) in that some of flesh Israel were scribes and pharisees.
It's a given that Jacob represents the true Israel and that can't be denied. I don't know why you brought up the church unless you truly understand that Christ was in the church in the wilderness... which I doubt that that's what you mean by church. I'm assuming you think the church came about after the resurrection of Christ and spiritual Israel is the church. Spiritual Israel is saved GENTILES and saved JEWS all the way back before Abraham.
None of this has anything to do with when the yoke between the two was broken. The yoke was broken here:
Nahum 2:2 KJV
For the Lord hath turned away the excellency of Jacob, as the excellency of Israel: for the emptiers have emptied them out, and marred their vine branches.
When was the EXCELLENCY of Jacob and Israel turned away? When did the emptiers empty them out and mar their vine branches?
It's a given that Jacob represents the true Israel and that can't be denied. I don't know why you brought up the church unless you truly understand that Christ was in the church in the wilderness... which I doubt that that's what you mean by church. I'm assuming you think the church came about after the resurrection of Christ and spiritual Israel is the church. Spiritual Israel is saved GENTILES and saved JEWS all the way back before Abraham.
None of this has anything to do with when the yoke between the two was broken. The yoke was broken here:
Nahum 2:2 KJV
For the Lord hath turned away the excellency of Jacob, as the excellency of Israel: for the emptiers have emptied them out, and marred their vine branches.
When was the EXCELLENCY of Jacob and Israel turned away? When did the emptiers empty them out and mar their vine branches?
I agree with this...and what does this have to do with Jews never entering the church?
Israel is called the ASSEMBLY (same word as church) of the firstborn in the wilderness
Both groups (Those led out of Egypt and those who Crossed over Jordan) had exercised faith and had a type or picture of immersion (Red Sea and Jordan)
So, not for sure how believing in the 1000 years hurts or hinders the remnant being grafted back in......
Israel is called the ASSEMBLY (same word as church) of the firstborn in the wilderness
Both groups (Those led out of Egypt and those who Crossed over Jordan) had exercised faith and had a type or picture of immersion (Red Sea and Jordan)
So, not for sure how believing in the 1000 years hurts or hinders the remnant being grafted back in......
That story has nothing to do with the second coming of Christ... A certain man of royalty left his home in HEAVEN and went to a far country ISRAEL to receive for himself ISRAEL as a kingdom. After his journey to ISRAEL he went back to HEAVEN.
He then called 10 servants and gave them 10 pounds and said to them OCCUPY til I come. But the citzens of ISRAEL hated Jesus and sent a message {they kiiled the servants) after him saying we THE JEWS will not have Jesus reign over us.
The parable goes on to explain what the servants did and then.....
Luke 19:27 KJV
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
Those who were the ENEMIES of JESUS which would not have JESUS reign over them were brought to Jesus where HE HAD SOMEONE SLAY THEM ALL.
Guess when Jesus returned like a THEIF IN THE NIGHT and destroyed those wicked JEWS.... AD 70!
He then called 10 servants and gave them 10 pounds and said to them OCCUPY til I come. But the citzens of ISRAEL hated Jesus and sent a message {they kiiled the servants) after him saying we THE JEWS will not have Jesus reign over us.
The parable goes on to explain what the servants did and then.....
Luke 19:27 KJV
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
Those who were the ENEMIES of JESUS which would not have JESUS reign over them were brought to Jesus where HE HAD SOMEONE SLAY THEM ALL.
Guess when Jesus returned like a THEIF IN THE NIGHT and destroyed those wicked JEWS.... AD 70!
I had the same experience as you Kayla, until I met our current pastor. Man my life changed that day.
It was actually interesting. I know about Israel-vision folk here in SA and I have never enjoyed there doctrine because of their hate of the Jews. But this lady from my office asked me to listen to a cermon from Gerrie (he is not Israel-vision by the way) and I did it because she asked me to. To be honest I was not impressed but being the nice guy I am I asked her for another one and my life changed forever... I thank God for what happened that day
The Jews are VERY important to ABBA Father but we are not less important or a B-class Christian.
It was actually interesting. I know about Israel-vision folk here in SA and I have never enjoyed there doctrine because of their hate of the Jews. But this lady from my office asked me to listen to a cermon from Gerrie (he is not Israel-vision by the way) and I did it because she asked me to. To be honest I was not impressed
but being the nice guy I am I asked her for another one and my life changed forever... I thank God for what happened that day The Jews are VERY important to ABBA Father but we are not less important or a B-class Christian.