"replacement theology" - what is it?

[GandalfTheWhite]

Hello Spurgeoncy,

Scripture is clear in that, Jesus spoke parables only to that generation of Israel and not to his disciples nor to the believers that would follow. For this is what the scripture says:

Then the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Why do You speak to [the people] in parables?”

He replied, “The knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven [has been given to you, but not to them]. Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.

This is why I speak to them in parables:
‘Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.’

In them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled:

‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people’s heart has grown callous; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn, and I
would heal them.’


But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.

Therefore, Jesus spoke parables to that generation of Israel in fulfillment of the scriptures, but to his disciples and all believers, we have been given the knowledge of the kingdom of heaven.

We form part of Israel, else Jesus lied and that is important to understand.

Remember He said he only came for the lost sheep of Israel. He cannot lie.

 

[kaylagrl]

I had the same experience as you Kayla, until I met our current pastor. Man my life changed that day.

It was actually interesting. I know about Israel-vision folk here in SA and I have never enjoyed there doctrine because of their hate of the Jews. But this lady from my office asked me to listen to a cermon from Gerrie (he is not Israel-vision by the way) and I did it because she asked me to. To be honest I was not impressed but being the nice guy I am I asked her for another one and my life changed forever... I thank God for what happened that day

The Jews are VERY important to ABBA Father but we are not less important or a B-class Christian.

No,you are right,we are not less. Chosen doesn't make Gentiles B-class. We are grafted in and joint heirs.

 

[kaylagrl]

Where does the bible contradict the children of the flesh are not the children of God? Or am I misunderstanding the meaning of the verse?

Go back and reread the thread.The answer is there.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

We are grafted in and joint heirs.

100% and it was like that since day 1

 

[KJV1611]

Go back and reread the thread.The answer is there.

You never answered it.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

Eklektos - chosen

Is used 23 times in the New Testament.

On virtually every single occasion it refers to THE CHURCH, (or if not, the Lord)

Kayla - be careful with your railing accusations.

You are starting to sound like a very hollow mouthpiece, and accusing people of Satanism for simply reading and understanding the Bible is a very shameful thing.

I think to be honest you need a lot of prayer.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No brother,Im not wrong. If you would give what I have posted an honest read,what the church fathers said,the persecution and hatred of the Jews and the history that follows this doctrine you would agree with me. I dont blame people who innocently fall into the doctrine and I have patently walked people through this with people before. But for others there is hatred of the Jews and that is from satan himself.And I stand by that comment,I feel that strongly about it. And I have been here two years and people know Im not one to throw around that kind of term.

if one reads the chatrooms long enough and listens to a few select people. they would see this in action. by what they say.

And your right Not all are this way.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Why does Satan hate the Jews more than anyone else?

Because they are Gods beloved, a chosen nation. he chose to set aside for himself.

Satan can not touch God, so her goes after the ones he loved, Both Israel and the church.

if anything, this is me of the many proofs to me the God I follow is the God of the universe.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don't know how Esau served Jacob, I don't think the bible says. But what it does say in Romans is that HE DID and Jacob was elect and Esau was not. I suspect that Esau (flesh Israel) served Jacob (true Israel) in that some of flesh Israel were scribes and pharisees.

It's a given that Jacob represents the true Israel and that can't be denied. I don't know why you brought up the church unless you truly understand that Christ was in the church in the wilderness... which I doubt that that's what you mean by church. I'm assuming you think the church came about after the resurrection of Christ and spiritual Israel is the church. Spiritual Israel is saved GENTILES and saved JEWS all the way back before Abraham.

None of this has anything to do with when the yoke between the two was broken. The yoke was broken here:

Nahum 2:2 KJV
For the Lord hath turned away the excellency of Jacob, as the excellency of Israel: for the emptiers have emptied them out, and marred their vine branches.

When was the EXCELLENCY of Jacob and Israel turned away? When did the emptiers empty them out and mar their vine branches?

You do not know, because it never happened, And NO paul did not say it happened.

Jacob was so afraid of Esau he ran and hid after he tricked his dad. And when he did feel like it was save to return, He served Esau..He served esau till death.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I had the same experience as you Kayla, until I met our current pastor. Man my life changed that day.

It was actually interesting. I know about Israel-vision folk here in SA and I have never enjoyed there doctrine because of their hate of the Jews. But this lady from my office asked me to listen to a cermon from Gerrie (he is not Israel-vision by the way) and I did it because she asked me to. To be honest I was not impressed but being the nice guy I am I asked her for another one and my life changed forever... I thank God for what happened that day

The Jews are VERY important to ABBA Father but we are not less important or a B-class Christian.

Give this man a cookie, He wins the prise. The first time I have heard someone actually say the truth, God has a special place in his heart for Israel, Because of what he did. But it does not mean we are less. DIspensationalsim does not say Israel will rule the world. It says God will rule the world. Just Israel wil be in their land, There will be PEACE on earth at that time.. All men in their own countries Praising God and being blessed by God (as long as they do what he says)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

100% and it was like that since day 1

Yes,, If one reads the OT there were many gentile people who were grafted in. King davids mother was a Gentile. And a wonderful woman of God who had great faith.

 

[KJV1611]

Eklektos - chosen

Is used 23 times in the New Testament.

On virtually every single occasion it refers to THE CHURCH, (or if not, the Lord)

Kayla - be careful with your railing accusations.

You are starting to sound like a very hollow mouthpiece, and accusing people of Satanism for simply reading and understanding the Bible is a very shameful thing.

I think to be honest you need a lot of prayer.

Do you believe this verse for exactly what is says?

Acts 7:38 KJV
This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

 

[KJV1611]

if one reads the chatrooms long enough and listens to a few select people. they would see this in action. by what they say.

And your right Not all are this way.

Hopefully people are reading the chat rooms and realizing your side is making this stuff up and this Jew worshipping religion doesn't come from the bible.

 

[trofimus]

Because they are Gods beloved, a chosen nation. he chose to set aside for himself...
Satan can not touch God, so her goes after the ones he loved, Israel...

So how is it that Jesus called unbelieving Jews the children of Satan?

 

[psalm6819]

Hopefully people are reading the chat rooms and realizing your side is making this stuff up and this Jew worshipping religion doesn't come from the bible.

What a horrible statement, "Jew worshipping religion"????????

In case you didn't know Jesus was one (Jew)

like I am shocked at the animosity of that statement

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hopefully people are reading the chat rooms and realizing your side is making this stuff up and this Jew worshipping religion doesn't come from the bible.

your right, hopefully they would.

that does not make it so though. Hatred is seen in many forms in this chat (not just against Jews) and it always seems to be the same people sadly enough.

 

[trofimus]

What a horrible statement, "Jew worshipping religion"????????

In case you didn't know Jesus was one (Jew)

like I am shocked at the animosity of that statement

We do not worship Jesus because He was a Jew. But because He is God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So how is it that Jesus called unbelieving Jews the children of Satan?

what does that have to do with the whole nation?

Jesus also told these same people how he loved them, and wanted as a mother hen to take them under her wings but they were not willing.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What a horrible statement, "Jew worshipping religion"????????

In case you didn't know Jesus was one (Jew)

like I am shocked at the animosity of that statement

I am not so shocked, I come to expect it. When you "hate" a group of people like he does, it shows. That is exactly what I meant when I said if people read, they will see All we can do is praise God they are not all that way.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We do not worship Jesus because He was a Jew. But because He is God.

She was just really making a statement to show how ridiculous his statement was.

We lover all people. And want them all to be saved., we do n0t worship Jews. That's nonsense.