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This thread is Miktre's baby, we can't request it to be closed! How many people here grow a thread to 99 pages in length? I'd be proud if I was him, as he obviously accomplished something. 
Of course, there are some people at CC who disagree with Miktre, and these people might have reasons why they want the thread closed. For shame!
Quest
Of course, there are some people at CC who disagree with Miktre, and these people might have reasons why they want the thread closed. For shame!
Quest
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I have to agree with the moderator in regards to whether to close the thread or no.
Because this topic is a very popular one, I myself was going to post about the same subject
except pro pre-trib. heh, well I have been thinking of this subject quite a lot, and honestly
can't say for sure NOW which side I fall on.
I have been tossing around a theory that I chatted to some peeps in the random chat room.
Not sure if I should lay it out here though, or maybe anywhere, more research is needed..
Also in the title that = not centered bugs the doodle out of me, just sayin..
Because this topic is a very popular one, I myself was going to post about the same subject
except pro pre-trib. heh, well I have been thinking of this subject quite a lot, and honestly
can't say for sure NOW which side I fall on.
I have been tossing around a theory that I chatted to some peeps in the random chat room.
Not sure if I should lay it out here though, or maybe anywhere, more research is needed..
Also in the title that = not centered bugs the doodle out of me, just sayin..
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First: Let my say how I think about this issue: For me: I don't believe in the rapture.. Or actually.. I believe in a rapture.. like it is written in Mt 25.
But when you say: satan and the fallen angels come and deceive many.. the Lord isn't talking about the rapture theory..
But I think you use to heavy words... for it. We all are saved by Jesus... and his mercy. We are all children of Him. The Lord wanted that we expect Him back. Rapture or no rapture... that is the order.
By using the words like you say: You said: Well I am right and you are wrong.. because the Bible teach...
it....
You don't have to agree.. with it and it is good to discus about it. But no... to heavy words are used.
But when you say: satan and the fallen angels come and deceive many.. the Lord isn't talking about the rapture theory..
But I think you use to heavy words... for it. We all are saved by Jesus... and his mercy. We are all children of Him. The Lord wanted that we expect Him back. Rapture or no rapture... that is the order.
By using the words like you say: You said: Well I am right and you are wrong.. because the Bible teach...
it....
You don't have to agree.. with it and it is good to discus about it. But no... to heavy words are used.
J
Let's take a second glance at the following phrase...
What event is this portion of scripture referring to but the Second Coming?
What event is this portion of scripture referring to but the Second Coming?
"I know he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day..."
What "last day" is she referring to and which resurrection?
Sounds pretty self-explanatory to me; now, as to specific dates when Christ will return (such as December 24th, July 4th, or January 1st ;D), no one has specifics on...
although it would be kind of interesting if Christ DID return on December 24th...
Anyways...that's my little rant.
Cheers in Christ,
~ JD
What "last day" is she referring to and which resurrection?
Sounds pretty self-explanatory to me; now, as to specific dates when Christ will return (such as December 24th, July 4th, or January 1st ;D), no one has specifics on...
although it would be kind of interesting if Christ DID return on December 24th...
Anyways...that's my little rant.
Cheers in Christ,
~ JD
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Job 36:21 kjv
Take heed, regard not iniquity: for this hast thou chosen rather than affliction.
I read that verse above recently, and when I read it I thought of this thread. The church of today - for the most part - has chosen iniquity rather than affliction. Their entire mindset is focused on worldly comforts, and consequently they are not willing to suffer with Christ. This is why they love the teaching about the rapture. It's a comfortable doctrine for them because it confirms them in their lukewarm state. The reality is that most of these people have no concept of what Christianity really is:
Philippians 3:10 kjv
10That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
The purpose of this thread is to bring people a wake up call to the true faith, so they don't settle for a false version of Christianity.
Ezek 33:
7So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.
8When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
9Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.
Quest
Take heed, regard not iniquity: for this hast thou chosen rather than affliction.
I read that verse above recently, and when I read it I thought of this thread. The church of today - for the most part - has chosen iniquity rather than affliction. Their entire mindset is focused on worldly comforts, and consequently they are not willing to suffer with Christ. This is why they love the teaching about the rapture. It's a comfortable doctrine for them because it confirms them in their lukewarm state. The reality is that most of these people have no concept of what Christianity really is:
Philippians 3:10 kjv
10That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
The purpose of this thread is to bring people a wake up call to the true faith, so they don't settle for a false version of Christianity.
Ezek 33:
7So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.
8When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
9Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.
Quest
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The rapture is a false doctrine. Very false. Wanna know why? Just ask me.
Second, there is no "The Anti-christ". Theres a sprit of antichrist. There aint one person thats gonna do all the horrible things.
IT IS A SPRIT THAT IS ALREADY HERE.
Want me to show you? Just messege me & I will send you a tape that explains everything. Free.
Second, there is no "The Anti-christ". Theres a sprit of antichrist. There aint one person thats gonna do all the horrible things.
IT IS A SPRIT THAT IS ALREADY HERE.
Want me to show you? Just messege me & I will send you a tape that explains everything. Free.
yes, they are heavy words... but so is the statement that pre-tribulationists make cocnerning ppl who dont believe in it... like "you're not saved if you dont believe pre-trib"... it's happened here in this thread, and it happens in the world today within the church. I have a close friend who has a friend... that friend's family was kicked out of a church because they taught post-trib and not pre-trib...
THAT is heavy... Christ considered heresy a big thing; read Galatians 5:19-21 or Revelation 22:18-19... that's enormous and important scripture to consider, especially when it comes to bible study. Does it directly affect one's own salvation?... not yet, at least. This teaching has been made to be so important within the church today, even the possibility of it not happening is considered ludicrous, and unbiblical, even though that belief was held long before any teaching of pre-trib ever existed...
it most definitely has the power to affect one's view of Christianity and their own walk if they're not careful... i let it get to me in my life because i didn't care about reading the Bible... I care now, and i dont let the popular teachings of today sway me to and fro like a boat without a paddle in a stormy ocean...
the question is this: when the time comes, and that rapture doesn't happen, will you let that man-made disappointment affect your walk with Christ, or will you accept the truth that you were wrong, and continue to walk the walk and talk the talk?...
THAT is heavy... Christ considered heresy a big thing; read Galatians 5:19-21 or Revelation 22:18-19... that's enormous and important scripture to consider, especially when it comes to bible study. Does it directly affect one's own salvation?... not yet, at least. This teaching has been made to be so important within the church today, even the possibility of it not happening is considered ludicrous, and unbiblical, even though that belief was held long before any teaching of pre-trib ever existed...
it most definitely has the power to affect one's view of Christianity and their own walk if they're not careful... i let it get to me in my life because i didn't care about reading the Bible... I care now, and i dont let the popular teachings of today sway me to and fro like a boat without a paddle in a stormy ocean...
the question is this: when the time comes, and that rapture doesn't happen, will you let that man-made disappointment affect your walk with Christ, or will you accept the truth that you were wrong, and continue to walk the walk and talk the talk?...
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Revelations Of Seven Thunders Explaining Flash Card
Those lines and ovals ,as you call them are similarity's between the thunders.And the area around the Thunders are really self explanatory.
GET MY CHART AND LOOK.
7 the top horizontal line is Christ's victory,in yellow.
6 next horizontal line is in Red ,The no. of Man.
5 line next is Christ's protection,souls protected,Come up my people.Word
4 line from the top is the no. of Earth.
3 line is the trinity no.Father(God),Son Of (God),Holy spirit, Word of (God)
2 this line is the union With (God)
1 is the no. of unity,(God)
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7 promises to the church's on the Earth ,things Thu seen,with (God)
The first four 1,2,3,4, are the four spirits that roam the Earth.
7 th.Thunder vertically is mystery Babylon White horse winner on Earth.
6 th. Thunder vertically is man.on Earth
5.th. Thunder vertically is Babylon Fallen Preaching to the Earth.
4.th. Thunder vertically is The word on the Earth.
3 rd. Thunder vertically is witnesses on Earth.
2 nd. Thunder vertically is union with Christ on Earth.
1 st. Thunder vertically is White horse ,winner with Christ on Earth.
5,6,7 is the consequences of the word .The trinity on Earth
even a
Fundamentalist Should see that lay ed out.To not see that, is a disservice,two the author.
look how the victory lines up at the top.
look how the winepress's line up ,next down.
look at Earth Quakes and the Great river line up horizontally.
look at the promised White clothed protection line up horizontally.
look how come up my people lines up with come out my people.
look how the seals,1,2,3,4,5,6,7 line up with the trumpets,and vials line up with each other.
look how wormwood on water,blood on water,line up
look how burning mountain in sea ,and blood on sea ,line up.
look how the two Babylons line up with each other.
look how The Thunders start with a White Horse,and end with a White horse .
And that is just ten item's,there are gemartria connections yet to them all ..
Revelations Of Seven Thunders Explaining Flash Card
Those lines and ovals ,as you call them are similaritys between the thunders.And the area around the Thunders are really self explanatory.
The Number 7
The number 7 perhaps speaks of perfection or completeness. God's complete provision in His dealings with men.
Some examples:
7 days make a complete week
7 colors make a perfect spectrum
7 great land masses form a complete earth
7 notes make a perfect scale
7 great bodies of water form a complete ocean
There were the 7 days of creation as well as many other examples throughout the Scriptures:
Zech 3:9 For behold, the stone that I have laid before Joshua: upon the stone are seven eyes. Behold, I will engrave its inscription,' says the LORD of hosts, `And I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.
Rev 1:4 John, to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne,
To the Jew every 7th day was a Sabbath.
Every 7th year was a Sabbatical year.
After the 7th Sabbatical year was the year of Jubilee.
Every 7th month was holy and had 3 feasts.
There were 7 weeks between Passover and Pentecost.
The Passover feast lasted 7 days.
The feast of Tabernacles lasted 7 days.
At Passover 14 lambs (7 twice) were offered daily.
At Tabernacles 14 lambs (7 twice) and 70 bullocks were offered.
At Pentecost 7 lambs were offered.
The time of mourning the dead was fixed to 7 days.
and so on...
Seven continues to have symbolic prominence in the New Testament, with Jesus telling Peter that it is not enough that he forgive the brother who had sinned against him seven times, but "seventy times seven" (Matthew 18:21-22). Seven is also the number of Greek-speaking Christians appointed by the Twelve Apostles in Acts 6:3.
The New Testament concludes in a "great surge of sevens, with hep tads, explicit and implicit, tumbling forth from many verses."
In the Book of Revelation there were:
The 7 letters to the 7 Churches.
The 7 Seal Judgments
The 7 Trumpet Judgments
The 7 Bowl Judgments
The 7 Golden Lamp stands
The 7 Stars
The 7 Angels
The 7 Spirits of God
The Lamb with 7 Horns and 7 Eyes.
The 7 Lamps of Fire
The 7 Thunders
The Fiery Red Dragon with 7 heads and 7 Crowns.
The Leopard-Like Beast with 7 heads.
The Scarlet-Colored Beast with 7 heads.
The 7 Mountains The 7 Kings
interrupt. Revelations.
Some understand ,Some do'not understand ,If you can,t if you do not see ,With all the clues I put down .Your not going to even If I retype the Bible. Sorry
]That is the start of Thunder no. Three.
Three is The Trinity no. in Germatria.
1260 days =Half of seven Years next is
42 months or 1260 = half of seven
2 halfs of 7 = Christian plus Jew
7 in germatria perfect no.
SEVEN: Spiritual perfection and fullness or completion. It is the number of Covenant and of the Holy Spirit.
walt2000
Some understand ,Some do'not understand ,If you can,t if you do not see ,With all the clues I put down .Your not going to even If I retype the Bible. Sorry
]That is the start of Thunder no. Three.
Three is The Trinity no. in Germatria.
1260 days =Half of seven Years next is
42 months or 1260 = half of seven
2 halfs of 7 = Christian plus Jew
7 in germatria perfect no.
SEVEN: Spiritual perfection and fullness or completion. It is the number of Covenant and of the Holy Spirit.
- 7 is the second perfect number.
- In Hebrew 7 is shevah (shebah) from the root shava (shaba or sheba), to be full.
- God rested on the seventh day (Saturday) after creation [Genesis 2:2]
- To swear an oath in Hebrew is “to seven oneself”
- There are seven gifts of the Holy Spirit (CCC#1831; Isaiah 11:1)
- The sacred Menorah has 7 branches, six on each side of a central shaft, and 7 cup shaped lamps for the olive oil
- There were 7 classes of furniture in the Tabernacle: Bronze Altar, Bronze Laver, Golden Menorah, Golden Table of the Bread of the Presence, Golden Altar of Incense, Ark of the Covenant, and the Seat of Atonement
- The Tabernacle was built in 6 days and dedicated on the 7th [Exodus 40:17]
- It took Solomon 7 years to build the Temple in Jerusalem. [ 1 Kings 6:37-38]
- There are 7 holy annual feast days in the Sinai Covenant [Leviticus 23:1-44]
- The Feast of Passover is the 1st month of the liturgical year but the 7th month of the civil year. [Exodus 12:1-2]
- The Feast of Tabernacles completes the cycle of Holy Days on the 7th month of the liturgical year.[Leviticus 23:33-43]
- There are multiple sevens in the Book of Revelation including
- seven Spirits of God [ Revelation 4:5]
- seven Seals [ Revelation 5:1]
- seven Angels with Seven Chalices [ Revelation 15:5-7]
- mammals and birds have a gestation of multiples of 7:
The Dragon vomits on the woman with child.
And what did the Earth do ?
And what did the Earth do ?
walt2000
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Again verses in Revelations coincide with others verses in other books of the Bible. This is an example of not adding to Revelations but letting the very word of Christ in the gospels explain the meaning of what is written here.
Observe:
Revelation 16
15Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
P.S.
I can show you in another one of your very posts where you broke your own rule.
Observe:
Revelation 16
15Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
P.S.
I can show you in another one of your very posts where you broke your own rule.
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That you disagree with me... that is fine.. and if you say: The Lord teaches a doctrine that goes directly against the rapture doctrine.. that is YOUR OPINION.. because like it is written I think by a lot of people.. some think the Lord will teach a rapture... theory. We all have to deal with the same Bible.
We have to understand that neither of us, was by the teaching of Jesus. So.. we got the same words...
It isn't good to strife with words.. like I say earlier.. we have to watch the return of the Lord.
If you wanted to teach.. do it in love.. I think that is the Biblical way of teaching.
We have to understand that neither of us, was by the teaching of Jesus. So.. we got the same words...
It isn't good to strife with words.. like I say earlier.. we have to watch the return of the Lord.
If you wanted to teach.. do it in love.. I think that is the Biblical way of teaching.
D
I think you are complete right Zilla.. But there is hope... I remember 2 famous Dutch Christian teachers, in a debate about the rapture. And first.. in the first place in that discussion.. there was a lot of respect for each other... Sure they didn't agree.. about this subject. But they knew they met each other by the Cross of Jesus. And they knew that they were an example of how we have to act.. with brothers and sisters who think different.
The whole discussion was breathing love...
They listen to each other.. where full of love for each other... and at the end they thanks for each other. They start to pray.. and end with a praying...
And it is sad if we are making a problem with this.. what have to come.. If I am asking: Do you expect Jesus? I hope we all can say YES....
And how... it happen... well we will see....
I remember 2 famous Dutch Christian teachers, in a debate about the rapture. And first.. in the first place in that discussion.. there was a lot of respect for each other... Sure they didn't agree.. about this subject. But they knew they met each other by the Cross of Jesus. And they knew that they were an example of how we have to act.. with brothers and sisters who think different. The whole discussion was breathing love...
They listen to each other.. where full of love for each other... and at the end they thanks for each other. They start to pray.. and end with a praying...
And it is sad if we are making a problem with this.. what have to come.. If I am asking: Do you expect Jesus? I hope we all can say YES....
And how... it happen... well we will see....