Calvinism - Total Depravity

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gb9 said:
that last paragraph may be true in your non-internet life, but it does not really manifest itself here.
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gb9 - what are you referring to? Is there something here in my sharing you feel is
emotionally inappropriate or just praising our great King.

I say this because it is much simpler to deal in the hear and now, rather than go over
something that does not exist, but takes a lot of effort, but to no benefit.

What is typical is this kind of remark, but it makes me laugh, because it has no value.
 
PeterJens said:
gb9 - what are you referring to? Is there something here in my sharing you feel is
emotionally inappropriate or just praising our great King.

I say this because it is much simpler to deal in the hear and now, rather than go over
something that does not exist, but takes a lot of effort, but to no benefit.

What is typical is this kind of remark, but it makes me laugh, because it has no value.
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well, it seems that you have a hard time discussing what is written, you tend to tell people what they believe, say you are being slandered , etc....... instead of actually commenting on what was written.
 
gb9 said:
well, it seems that you have a hard time discussing what is written, you tend to tell people what they believe, say you are being slandered , etc....... instead of actually commenting on what was written.
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Interesting observation. What I found was I would make a comment and then people would
not acknowledge it, say I was saying something different and then go off on a tangent.

Rather than just ignoring this approach, I would challenge this. It struck me this obvious
lying and changing things as if it is was not obvious was so blatant I had to point it out.

I do not mind people acknowledging my points, and my position, but just lying and distorting
things because they believe I am lying from the beginning is so out there, I had to address it.

But here you are claiming that this responding is somehow wrong. I call this not being open
and honest about how you handle people. I am not complicated or hidden. I know from my
past at grappling with ideas it is easy to get things reversed, and not spot the obvious flaws.
 
gb9 said:
well, it seems that you have a hard time discussing what is written, you tend to tell people what they believe, say you are being slandered , etc....... instead of actually commenting on what was written.
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I continually comment on what is written.

I have often been accused of slandering, insulting etc. yet I comment on what people say in each
contribution, like you own, and try and address the points raised.

My enemies behave in such a provocative manner it is obvious they want to provoke a response,
and do not regard discussion as contributions by people of equal integrity and honesty.

I have found this surprising considering we all profess to follow our Lord and His ways.
Maybe there is a fundamental disagreement about what the Lords ways are, and sinning
is not an issue for seem, even against brothers and sisters.
 
PeterJens said:
I think we need labels to help us progress and put into action the right points and
avoid the bad. We can damage our souls, and not grow, not become the things
God wants us to be, or we can learn to walk and grow and become.

At the beginning labels probably matter more, because they give a structure
before we can feel and know the reality at work within us.

I used to flip out quickly and get blown off course, but now it takes a lot, and
I know how to feel the problems and bring them to the Lord to get back to the
place I need to be.
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I would agree and say because the time of refomation had come, signaled by the renting of the vail .The new name He name d his bride the church was.... Christian .A word that denotes residents of the city of Christ, the new Jerusalem prepared as His bride. She as a new creature has other names as ways to describe her, like a inward Jew, born of God (not of men) etc

Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.


 
gb9 said:
well, it seems that you have a hard time discussing what is written, you tend to tell people what they believe, say you are being slandered , etc....... instead of actually commenting on what was written.
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That seems to be a habit of some people.. I venture to say it happens not only in here, but out in real life too. Sad..
 
What I have learnt is people have various life experiences. These set their theology.
To shift their view would be to deny certain emotional experiences that define their life, so
no matter how much you share or show, things never move.

EG is one example of this, gb9 sounds like another, G7 a third.

If I bring glory and honour to Jesus, talk of victory over sin and death through the cross,
because it is not expressed by their definitions it must be false.

What I know is one can only express these things with the power of heaven, so I am not
interested in the theology but more in the hearts of the people involved.

Years ago it came like a bolt from the blue. If you walk like Jesus you would never reject
Him because there would be no reason to, so though people claim to have love and life like
His, if they do not have an open heart towards Him something is seriously wrong.

So when people take Jesus statements about love to all and say these are just condemnation
to show how far we fall short, you know these people are not walking as Jesus intended or
the Holy Spirit empowers. So just listen to Jesus and His Spirit, and you will walk in His ways.

Hallelujah for the Christmas and the cross, both expression of grace to us.
 
some people just need to give up.

They tells people they believe things, Then when they are told they do not by the ones accused. Even with proof. He gets all angry, then starts to blame them, instead of repenting, and apologizing for slandering them. then continues to slander them by sayin they believe things they do not.

it is called blame shift.
 
Not sure what EG is referring to, but if he wants to make it obvious he needs, to,
else it is just implying a feeling, which is useless.

And my brothers and sisters, may we press on towards the goal in Jesus Christ.
May we never give up because Jesus never gave up on us, hallelujah, and in each
day by His Spirit he renews us in His Spirit.

May we be able to encourage each other to show Gods love in our hearts by doing
good.
 
its ok, The people who have been here awhile see.. That's why most do not respond anymore. they are sick of the nonsense.

if anyone wants proof. Just ask (preferably by PM) , I will show LOTS OF IT.. as will anyone who has been here awhile

Otherwise, I will let the rant continue.
 
Here again is EG talking about something while not talking about it.

Only people who have lost talk like this, because the issue is so non-existant
whenever they mention it, it is empty. And if any group can no longer talk about it
they have just walked away from the truth because the truth exists in the light.

And the light is we should walk as Jesus did, in love and openness with an open heart,
a clean conscience, and a pure heart, washed clean by the blood of Christ.

Through Christ and the cross we can experience this daily. So brothers and sisters,
let us walk together is this fellowship the Lord has for all of us. But I suspect EG is
referring to something else, which excludes Him from the fellowship of believers.
 
Another point, is EG referring to something, by PM that he cannot openly declare here
on a forum. I wonder what this secret is?
 
can anyone tell me what Peters RANT has to do with Calvanism?
 
Let me expand on some conversations I have had with EG.

He believes in OSAS, and if you do not, you show you are not saved.
He would continually tell me that I was trying to save myself by being good rather than
accepting Christs sacrifice on the cross that opened me up to righteousness.

Strangely this is what I believe, but I am told I am lying. Now I have declared my faith
in my blog at length, yet because I am not a follower of OSAS I must be lying. How is it
that something so fundamental to my spiritual experience is undermined by me not agreeing
with OSAS. Maybe it is rather the opposite, a group believe OSAS is the cornerstone of defining
who is truly saved and who are faking, and their mission is to distinguish between the two.

Now the real strategy is emotional bombing, flipping between rejection and antagonism, and
acceptance and openness, this is not the way to Christ or truth, just manipulation.

And the hook is freedom from legalism, by no rules acceptance. Now Christ does accept us but
on the basis of we walk after Him because we love Him and have made love a home in out hearts.

So you can see this is not a simple story, and is one of importance. But the importance is on feeding
on failure, and reassurance of Christ love while never truly walking in it, or having the Lord heal you
within. So it becomes a fake, but turns people into destructive aggressive individuals against the word
of God and the people of the Kingdom.
 
And I apologise, EG always wants to detract.

And we are truly lost, like being in the darkness without a way of seeing.
Only when Christ appears to us individually do we have a hope, only when
love touches our hearts does the frozen state and hurt can begin to be healed.

I testify, without the light we are lost with no hope, but with the light we have
life. But to see is scary, because we start to see the good and the evil.

But here I meet people who have never truly seen, and just see ideas, and their
light is just belief everything is ok, without it being so, and nothing needs to progress
or move towards the eternal goal of walking like Christ.
 
PeterJens said:
What I have learnt is people have various life experiences. These set their theology.
To shift their view would be to deny certain emotional experiences that define their life, so
no matter how much you share or show, things never move.

EG is one example of this, gb9 sounds like another, G7 a third.

If I bring glory and honour to Jesus, talk of victory over sin and death through the cross,
because it is not expressed by their definitions it must be false.

What I know is one can only express these things with the power of heaven, so I am not
interested in the theology but more in the hearts of the people involved.

Years ago it came like a bolt from the blue. If you walk like Jesus you would never reject
Him because there would be no reason to, so though people claim to have love and life like
His, if they do not have an open heart towards Him something is seriously wrong.

So when people take Jesus statements about love to all and say these are just condemnation
to show how far we fall short, you know these people are not walking as Jesus intended or
the Holy Spirit empowers. So just listen to Jesus and His Spirit, and you will walk in His ways.

Hallelujah for the Christmas and the cross, both expression of grace to us.
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Dang it, I didn't make the list.

I'll have to try harder...
 
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