JW, Mormons, and the Catholic Church

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To hate false religions that are leading people into the eternal fire is a good thing indeed and all Christians should hate the teachings of the JW , Mormon and catholic religions... Do not mix up hate for lies and deceptions with hate for people..

Anyone who has any love for the people who are ensnared by these evil deceiving religions will go in hard against these false religions out of the desire to save those who have been deceived by them.. To save them by clearly pointing out the lies that these religions teach their congregants..

I am an ex-catholic.. I have family who are still catholics.. And i do not hate them because they are caught up in a deception.. I wish for them to be saved...
May i ask how you ended up getting out of the catholic church and why?
 

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According to the bible Saints are those who follow Messiah. You guys are all Saints.

The bible also says the dead know nothing. They have no contact with YHWH. And a few other things that make a conversation with them futile at best and blasphemy or sorcery at worst.


No, those who follow the Messiah (Jesus Christ) are not Saints until HE collects His Bride in the Clouds and Redeems the Mortal body into an immortal body. Only then are we called Saints.

What the Bible states is the 'WORD of GOD'. Why would you want to speak with them? the dead that is??
 

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Well, since the Catholic Church is the church which Christ himself established upon the earth two millenia ago...
you are partly correct... Jesus established his holy catholic church.... catholic meaning "universal".

He did NOT establish the Roman Catholic church.

BIG difference.
 

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JWs and Mormons are in a different class than RCs.

The first two reject the trinity. JWs limited the number of "born-agains" and Mormons believe all can become gods.

While it is my opinion that many RCs are lost, there is still hope. Those who follow their RC faith close, and listen inventively to the Pope, will discover that he does encourage a relationship with Jesus Christ:

I invite all Christians, everywhere, at this very moment, to a renewed personal encounter with Jesus Christ, or at least an openness to letting him encounter them; I ask all of you to do this unfailingly each day. No one should think that this invitation is not meant for him or her, since “no one is excluded from the joy brought by the Lord. The Lord does not disappoint those who take this risk; whenever we take a step towards Jesus, we come to realize that he is already there, waiting for us with open arms. Now is the time to say to Jesus: “Lord, I have let myself be deceived; in a thousand ways I have shunned your love, yet here I am once more, to renew my covenant with you. I need you. Save me once again, Lord, take me once more into your redeeming embrace”. How good it feels to come back to him whenever we are lost! Let me say this once more: God never tires of forgiving us; we are the ones who tire of seeking his mercy. Christ, who told us to forgive one another “seventy times seven” (Mt 18:22) has given us his example: he has forgiven us seventy times seven. Time and time again he bears us on his shoulders. No one can strip us of the dignity bestowed upon us by this boundless and unfailing love. With a tenderness which never disappoints, but is always capable of restoring our joy, he makes it possible for us to lift up our heads and to start anew. Let us not flee from the resurrection of Jesus, let us never give up, come what will. May nothing inspire more than his life, which impels us onwards! -EVANGELII GAUDIUM

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I totally disagree with your support for the catholic religion.. A little leaven spoils the bread... False doctrines injected into the teachings of the catholic church cause true catholics to go against the teachings of Jesus and thus they are caused to follow ""another jesus"" and thus are not following Jesus and therefore they are not saved...
 

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May i ask how you ended up getting out of the catholic church and why?
I read the Bible... I believed and still believe the Bible... The catholic church has many teachings in rebellion against the Bible.. Therefore the catholic church is not Christian.. So i renounced the catholic church and now believe and trust Jesus for my eternal salvation.. :D
 

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Let's be honest, there are many false doctrines, all based on the bible. They are all people who went looking for God and fell into one of them. Those who didn't, are lucky they didn't start with one of those for whatever reason.

The truth is, they spread their gospel better then we spread the truth. Why?
We are not here to win a popularity poll.... Those who love the truth will stand by it no matter if they are the last person on earth standing on it... The Message of God will draw those who shall believe and love the truth.. So the truth will succeed in saving all who Love the Message of the truth... Those who reject the truth and love the lies sold by the false religions of the world where never going to accept the truth anyway because they minds look upon it as foolishness or evil...
 
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No, those who follow the Messiah (Jesus Christ) are not Saints until HE collects His Bride in the Clouds and Redeems the Mortal body into an immortal body. Only then are we called Saints.

What the Bible states is the 'WORD of GOD'. Why would you want to speak with them? the dead that is??
From got questions:"
The word “saint” comes from the Greek word hagios, which means “consecrated to God, holy, sacred, pious." It is almost always used in the plural, “saints.” "…Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much harm he did to Your saints at Jerusalem" (Acts 9:13). "Now as Peter was traveling through all those regions, he came down also to the saints who lived at Lydda" (Acts 9:32). "And this is just what I did in Jerusalem; not only did I lock up many of the saints in prisons …“ (Acts 26:10). There is only one instance of the singular use, and that is "Greet every saint in Christ Jesus…" (Philippians 4:21). In Scripture there are 67 uses of the plural “saints” compared to only one use of the singular word “saint.” Even in that one instance, a plurality of saints is in view: “…every saint…” (Philippians 4:21).

"The idea of the word “saints” is a group of people set apart for the Lord and His kingdom. There are three references referring to godly character of saints: "that you receive her in the Lord in a manner worthy of the saints …" (Romans 16:2). "For the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ" (Ephesians 4:12). "But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints" (Ephesians 5:3).

Therefore, scripturally speaking, the “saints” are the body of Christ, Christians, the church. All Christians are considered saints. All Christian are saints—and at the same time are called to be saints. First Corinthians 1:2 states it clearly: “To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy…”

And talking to them was in reference to praying.
 
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it would be nice if Christians followed what Jesus taught. if people reject your teachings shake the dust and move on to another town. when Jesus asked the 12 who the crowds thought He was they thought many things, Jesus didnt force them against their will to believe in one universal thing.
Since what you deem as being "nice Christians" would have condemned my husband to hell, and what you believe isn't what Jesus taught, excuse me for not going along with your idea of what is a "nice Christian."
 
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JWs and Mormons on not trinitarians. The latter group teaches that we can become gods.

RCs are trinitarians. While I, formerly one of them, now disagree with them doctrinally, I do not consider them non-Christian.

I find the RC bashing frustrating. I also find it interesting that the Eastern Orthodox church(and Coptic church, for that matter) is often excluded from the relentless attacks.
The problem with being RCC is that it doesn't really define if you are or aren't a Christian. Including a stepmother (who is closer to being a friend than a stepmother, since she's hubby's age lol), there were nine people in my family who were Catholics. So far, (because I will not give up), there is only one who is a Christian, and I left the RCC four years after becoming a Christian. It really is a haphazard label.

As for the Orthodox Catholics, shhhhhhhhhh, don't bring them up on here, because all that does is bring in an extra punch bag for some that they didn't realize they could punch. ;)
 
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I totally disagree with your support for the catholic religion.. A little leaven spoils the bread... False doctrines injected into the teachings of the catholic church cause true catholics to go against the teachings of Jesus and thus they are caused to follow ""another jesus"" and thus are not following Jesus and therefore they are not saved...
Do you have something against leavened bread? I happen to prefer it to unleavened bread.

As for what the RCC teaches from their doctrines? There's the rub. They don't. That's why it is possible to be Catholic and Christian.

Have you yet notice? Two of us, who believe we are saved, came from the RCC. Kind of proves it's possible to be RCC and saved, doesn't it? (Unless you don't think we're saved, of course.) I really was both Catholic and saved. And the funny part is I know at least one Catholic on this site who everyone believes is saved, (but doesn't know is also Catholic.)

It really is bothersome for folks not to get the two can, and do, go hand-in-hand. Even Luther wanted to remain a Catholic. He fought for that right. They excommunicated him. Do you also believe Luther wasn't saved until he was excommunicated?

Some remain Catholic to effect change. Some remain Catholic for the same reason many of us remain in our churches -- who says you have to believe every jot and tidle taught?
 
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No, actually, breno, there can be only ONE Jesus Christ. Unfortunately though so many people attempt to create Christ in their own image, leading themselves and others away from the Truth preached from the beginning by Christ and His visible Church which He himself established in the world.
That's exactly what Paul is warning against in your examples, the tendency of people to leave the established Church when they perceive some error in it in favor of some other teaching which conforms more to their own ideas. Hence the tens of thousands of denominations today and the millions of people simply going it alone with a bible.
Feel free to take Jesus off the Cross and embrace God's free gift of saving grace. Afterwards, feel free to prayerfully read Scripture with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Please, feel free.
 
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Since I am not a Jehovah's Witness, Mormon, or Catholic, I am no expert on what these people believe, but if they love the Lord with all their hearts, minds, and souls, and love their neighbors as themselves, then I will consider myself no better than they.
Sadly, many Catholics love their church far more than they love Jesus, and because of this, they put their trust in the institution itself rather than completely in Jesus. I see it all the time.
 

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No, those who follow the Messiah (Jesus Christ) are not Saints until HE collects His Bride in the Clouds and Redeems the Mortal body into an immortal body. Only then are we called Saints.

What the Bible states is the 'WORD of GOD'. Why would you want to speak with them? the dead that is??
I disagree. Apparently, so does Paul....

Ephesians 1New American Standard Bible (NASB)[h=3]The Blessings of Redemption[/h]1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus [SUP][a][/SUP]by the will of God,
To the [SUP][b][/SUP]saints who are [SUP][c][/SUP]at Ephesus and who are faithful in Christ Jesus: [SUP]2 [/SUP]Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
 

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Since I am not a Jehovah's Witness, Mormon, or Catholic, I am no expert on what these people believe, but if they love the Lord with all their hearts, minds, and souls, and love their neighbors as themselves, then I will consider myself no better than they.
You logic is a little flawed because it does matter what others believe even though they may say they love the Lord with all their hearts, mind, and souls etc. What matters is what they teach which should/compared and tested by what the Bible teaches.

So here, let me help you out a with a cartoon of what Mormons believe that I saw many many years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q6brMrFw0E If you want I can also supply what the JW's teach or you can do your own homework and find out for yourself. :eek: PS: I think you have to start the video from the beginning, plus there is an extended version of the video.

IN GOD THE SON,
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I totally disagree with your support for the catholic religion.. A little leaven spoils the bread... False doctrines injected into the teachings of the catholic church cause true catholics to go against the teachings of Jesus and thus they are caused to follow ""another jesus"" and thus are not following Jesus and therefore they are not saved...
A little leaven spoils the bread Then you have more than RCs to worry about among the trinitarian churches.
 
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The problem with being RCC is that it doesn't really define if you are or aren't a Christian. Including a stepmother (who is closer to being a friend than a stepmother, since she's hubby's age lol), there were nine people in my family who were Catholics. So far, (because I will not give up), there is only one who is a Christian, and I left the RCC four years after becoming a Christian. It really is a haphazard label.

As for the Orthodox Catholics, shhhhhhhhhh, don't bring them up on here, because all that does is bring in an extra punch bag for some that they didn't realize they could punch. ;)
The problem with being RCC is that it doesn't really define if you are or aren't a Christian. You become a Christian at baptism is RC theology. That's why so little emphasis is placed on the "personal relationship" aspect of the faith. CCC 1213.

As for the Orthodox Catholics, shhhhhhhhhh, don't bring them up on here, because all that does is bring in an extra punch bag for some that they didn't realize they could punch. Eastern Orthodox Christians, not Orthodox Catholics. I've mentioned the EOC(Eastern Orthodox Church) on several occasions. The EO tradition isn't prominent in the USA, so those who are Orthodox Christians(I guess EOC followers are Orthodox Christians in the USA) are confused with RCs by North Americans.