Dating to Marry: Would An Assumed Incompatible Sex Drive Break the Deal?

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seoulsearch

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Hello Everyone,

I was talking to a good friend of mine a while ago who has also ventured into the world of online dating here and there (what was that saying again, misery loves company? :D), so it's been nice having someone to talk to about the craziness we've both been running into, as well as being able to hear things from a guy's perspective.

One of the things he shared with me (and I think he was quite brave to have endured this conversation, personally) is that he had had an online conversation with a girl who, apparently, within only a few minutes of talking, told him all of her personal and family problems, as well as the fact that she said she had a very low sex drive (as in, no interest whatsoever, apparently.)

I thought my friend handled it rather well, as he suggested that maybe when she fell in love and found someone who truly cared for her, she might find her feelings changing. In reply, it seems she pretty much shrugged off the idea as too ridiculous to even consider.

I have to admit to being shocked over two things: 1. that someone would share this so immediately (I could see it if maybe the involved parties had been communicating for a bit or knew each other for a longer time, but to tell someone this right away? I'm not so sure), and 2. that a woman can expect to find her dream man and apparently, expect that Mr. Right, evidently, would have absolutely zero to very little interest in sex at all.

Some of you know bits and pieces of my story so I won't repeat everything here, but for myself, if I hear something like that (low sex drive) my immediate thoughts are: 1. I wonder if this person has been severely abused and traumatized or is under enormous amounts of stress, as those are usually key factors, and 2. I wonder if this person is open-minded to counseling, healing, and being open to prepare themselves for another's needs as well, because that is what would have to happen in a marriage.

I am NOT trying to sound like, "Oh, it's all about the sex!" here, but as any of you know who have read my posts, one of my own personal goals is to live my life for God but in a way that's REAL and facing the realities of life, because I find that so many Christians give good advice and spew out Scripture upon Scripture... but I always want to say, "If it were that easy, wouldn't we all be without problems? And if it that's what you're telling me to do, why isn't it working in your own life?" (After all, Jesus told us to get our own lives straight before we try to correct others.) In the inescapable reality of life, sex within a marriage, even the most holy, God-pleasing one, is going to matter.

For myself, I've been through my own trials and tribulations... but feel God has brought me through a lot and that this is one of the reasons why I've been single for so long. There were times I was too proud to go for help or did not want help in the way which God prescribed for me (such as, avoiding romantic relationships and spending time with trusted Christian mentors instead.) I am always an ongoing project that God is working on, but I do think He's helped me change quite a bit from the person I used to be.

For myself, if I were talking to someone who said he would have a low sex drive (I realize too that for some who have never had sex and/or were never married before, this may be hard to gauge or predict), I guess I would have to find out exactly what their definition of "low" means.

For some people, "low" might be once a day... for others, it may be once a week... but admittedly, if it were something like, "Well, I'd only be in the mood if it were every third blue moon after a sunny day with no rain and not a cloud in the sky and on my birthday," I would seriously have to reconsider whether or not the relationship would be headed toward the path of matrimony.

As my friend said (I'm paraphrasing a bit but I thought he gave a very reasonable and sensitive answer), "It's not that I'm hoping for extreme amounts, it's just that, I'd like to hope that in my marriage, I wouldn't have to think of sex as being something my partner saw as horribly unpleasant and a chore or that in some way, I was terrorizing my wife."

How about all of you? What are your thoughts?
 
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Jennifleur

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Well, there's been no end to the jokes about how differently men and women feel about sex. It is true that in most cases, women just do not desire it as much, and any number of stressful factors that crop up during the day affect that desire even further (kids, work, cleaning the house, running errands, etc.). However, I believe that it is important to a marriage to have those times of intimacy. It's not just physical; it's emotional as well. As couples age, and other things come up (such as the introduction of children into the picture), there is a natural tendency to have sex less often. I think it varies from couple to couple. But I do believe it is important to a marriage to have that physical intimacy. Of course, this is the opinion of someone who is not married and is still a virgin, so take it for what it's worth, lol. I wouldn't say that it's a deal breaker, but I would wonder what is the reason behind not having that interest. There could be emotional reasons like you said, or even health issues that lead to having a diminished sex drive. But, I don't imagine this would be as much of an issue among the guys as it might be among the ladies (I haven't yet met a guy who wasn't all that interested in sex, but I'm sure there are some out there...). :D

But, in all seriousness, it would not be a deal breaker. No one person is going to be perfect in every way. I think it's more important to listen to what God is telling you about this person.

Now, I do think it's a weird subject to bring up in your first conversation. You might as well tell a guy that you expect him to propose within a year of dating, get married within six months of the proposal, and that you want three kids, the first within two years of marriage. That'd send just about any guy running far, far away in the opposite direction. It sounds like she takes the dating scene way too seriously. I believe that dating should be about finding your future spouse, but in the beginning you should just relax and get to know the other person. To broach the subject of sex (and lack of desire for it) in a first conversation isn't likely to get a second conversation. But someone who has gotten to know you better might be more open to hearing your views (and it wouldn't be so out of line for them to begin asking you questions as to why you feel that way).
 
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I have to ask you did you ask both parties their given consent prior to posting this type of discussion if it was okay to post it? If not then it's kind of an invasion on their privacy and their personal space. I don't know but I am asking that question? If you all agreed to it then that's fine between all of you. I personally wouldn't feel comfortable with that if I had shared something with some one and they aired it out with others.

That's just how I would personally feel about it, I believe that marriage is something that is personal and it's between the man and the wife and God. The dating/courtship/marriage isn't between him and his friends it should be with his possible wife, and God. One thing my pastor taught me was that when I went through some counseling with him he asked for my consent if he could share that information about me in counseling with his wife.

He asked so that he could pray with her for me. I said yes you may because they are a married couple and if he is only going to share that with only with her after I give him consent. The fact that he did that showed to me that he has respected me as a person. Not only that I think it's wise to keep the counseling like that especially when you are dealing with the opposite or same sex so that nothing is hidden. I have a lot of respect for that pastor mainly because was a safety precaution and it didn't endanger their marriage. He always met with me out side of his home because my church was in their home because it started off that way.








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seoulsearch

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I have to ask you did you ask both parties their given consent prior to posting this type of discussion if it was okay to post it? If not then it's kind of an invasion on their privacy and their personal space. I don't know but I am asking that question? If you all agreed to it then that's fine between all of you. I personally wouldn't feel comfortable with that if I had shared something with some one and they aired it out with others.

That's just how I would personally feel about it, I believe that marriage is something that is personal and it's between the man and the wife and God. The dating/courtship/marriage isn't between him and his friends it should be with his possible wife, and God. One thing my pastor taught me was that when I went through some counseling with him he asked for my consent if he could share that information about me in counseling with his wife.

He asked so that he could pray with her for me. I said yes you may because they are a married couple and if he is only going to share that with only with her after I give him consent. The fact that he did that showed to me that he has respected me as a person. Not only that I think it's wise to keep the counseling like that especially when you are dealing with the opposite or same sex so that nothing is hidden. I have a lot of respect for that pastor mainly because was a safety precaution and it didn't endanger their marriage. He always met with me out side of his home because my church was in their home because it started off that way.








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I can completely understand your stance on this and appreciate your feedback. Yes, I did ask my friend about writing a thread about this topic during our discussions. I do ask people first before I write the threads, or I will paraphrase and sometimes change the genders and situations (for instance, they may have 2 kids in reality, but I may just say, "They have kids" to make it more general) of the people involved to ensure privacy.

Now, I can't say I asked the other person's permission but as I said, it was someone he talked to online in a random chat, so for that, I do apologize if I've offended anyone.

You make an excellent point because I don't want people to think, "Oh, SS will blab anything."

My friend and I had a bit of a discussion about this, and I did ask it it was all right if I wrote a thread about it.

It's a tough balance because I think there are many issues that people want to talk about, but are afraid to.

Thanks for your post! :)
 
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There are many reasons for a low sex drive. It could be psychological, environmental as well as medical (low hormone levels) and physiological (poor health/fitness level). I wouldn't write someone off because she had a low sex drive.

I believe that today a lot of women have low sex drives because of stress. The mind is not easy to turn off, especially if it is running full speed in high gear all day. The way to breakthrough that is for a man to shower her with sincere, loving attention.. so much that she forgets everything. It may be a good backrub or foot massage or maybe a bouquet of fresh roses...something to overwhelm her senses so that she will forget everything except how great her man is. Little kisses on the neck and bubble baths help too.
 
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How would a person know if they aren't married yet?
 
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HeartOfGod

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I can completely understand your stance on this and appreciate your feedback. Yes, I did ask my friend about writing a thread about this topic during our discussions. I do ask people first before I write the threads, or I will paraphrase and sometimes change the genders and situations (for instance, they may have 2 kids in reality, but I may just say, "They have kids" to make it more general) of the people involved to ensure privacy.

Now, I can't say I asked the other person's permission but as I said, it was someone he talked to online in a random chat, so for that, I do apologize if I've offended anyone.

You make an excellent point because I don't want people to think, "Oh, SS will blab anything."

My friend and I had a bit of a discussion about this, and I did ask it it was all right if I wrote a thread about it.

It's a tough balance because I think there are many issues that people want to talk about, but are afraid to.

Thanks for your post! :)
Your quite welcome. :)

I am also glad you understood, because sometimes people's perceptions are very different when it comes to how you respond to them. Not every one thinks the same way People will be at very different places especially in the christian faith.
 
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NodMyHeadLikeYeah

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It would be a problem yes.
 

seoulsearch

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How would a person know if they aren't married yet?
This, of course, is an excellent question. But, and I don't know about any of you... I've had conversations with people who have never been married or had sex before but have an idea of how they feel about the issue--some are very interested and anticipate it eagerly, while others seem to express feelings of fear and dread, even without having the experience (except for maybe an abusive past.)
 
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HeartOfGod

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You all got me thinking more about this very topic because it's like it can be a very touchy subject with some people especially if they have been sexual abused. With others as light bliss mentioned how will they know well you don't want suggest that they play around and try to find that out because the church wants to promote sexual purity and yes people will wait which is a very good thing because they will set an example for future generations by waiting.

It does seem like the church won't touch this subject at all and there are a few churches out there that want to try and talk about this whole business about sex mainly because they are concerned about people stumbling into sexual sex because there are people from the pulpit end of things that have fallen into sexual sins. But then you have other churches that won't talk about it because perhaps it is something that they are in fear of some really it's like this topic won't suit every one especially if what light bliss brought up they won't know.

Still my over all thoughts would be whether or not the person has or has not had sex before marriage is that they should pray to God and ask God for a partner whom they will be the best compatibility with on all levels that and some one whom they will stand the test of time with because the last thing I think any one wants is to marry some one and then get a divorce after being married for a few years. I have talked to people in the church and a number of them have been together for a good many years. That to me shows me that they were brought together by God and it was meant to be. Now that's the kind of marriage I would want.

I do think that perhaps some people may have some fears that they need to talk about prior to getting involved with some one. I know what mine are and I share a lot of that with God because I don't really know any one that I feel I can really trust as a personal confident. I found in some cases that you can trust the wrong people out there and yes I do think that I have come across people who were not people whom I should have shared things with because they broke my trust. You can have many friends but it doesn't mean they are the best people to share your personal things with.
 

seoulsearch

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Once again, Heart of God, you make some excellent points, and I thank you.

I know these are sensitive subjects but the reason I write these threads is because as I was growing up, I made some stupid, rebellious decisions that I've spent years trying to recover from.

One of the reasons is that I was in an "I can't talk to my parents" phase (although now I find I can talk to them about anything, but when you're a teen/young adult you don't feel that way) and if I would have had a strong Christian friend or mentor who was a little older and wiser than me (it's not hard to be much wiser than I am :D), I think I would have done things differently, so one of my hopes is to spare others that pain.

I'm sure there are many people out there who read these threads and would like to respond, but are afraid. My hope and prayer is that some people will feel led to talk to God about what's bothering them and that God will lead them to the person they can truly trust and talk to, in the hopes that it will prevent some grief and wrong decisions in their lives as well.

Ironically, yes, the most opposition I usually find in my life is from other Christians rather than unbelievers (not so much here at CC--one of the reasons I like it here is because there are so many wonderful, compassionate people on this site), but in life I often run into attitudes such as, "Don't talk about that, what will people think!" It's funny to me because God created sex but some Christians act as if He'd be shocked to hear any mention of it.

"Don't rock the boat!!!" is what you'll hear in so many churches today.

Funny thing is... Jesus invited Peter to step out of the boat...

And walk on water.
 
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seoulsearch

You were a Prodigal Daughter as well? Yes, I do understand what you mean about that been there and done it too. You definitely are a boat rocker with your discussions. I once attended Korean service because I met a fellow on the street once and it was just by chance and we chatted a bit, then he invited me to come and visit his church.

I have also been to a Chinese church were the message just broke me up with such conviction. It was funny but the girl I knew who invited me there said she was thinking oh this mite do you some good if you come and it did. I met some really nice people in other churches from various racial back grounds that were more exclusive to one race with a few mixing.

:)
 

seoulsearch

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I was never into drugs, drinking, or partying, but I did get into some long-term relationships I should have ran from instead of pouring my life into them.

The most ironic thing to me is that so many churches will say, "Don't talk about this or that here... that's off limits..." Apparently, the path to pleasing God for them is just ignoring everything and somehow trusting it will all work out...

But God tells us that all things will be brought into the light. Within reason, of course!! God is not out to embarrass or shame us at all, but to help us and connect us to caring, like-minded people.

It's just that, the church will say, "Don't bring that subject up!" and then wonder why so many people turn to the world for answers... then condemn them all the more when they try to come back

If you can't find answers among the Body of Christ, where could you possibly expect to find them???!!!
 

phil36

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LOL, i love this title.... which brings a thought... how would we know if sex drives are incompatible?

Phil
 
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kiwi_OT

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Oh man.. Hmm...
Speaking as someone who has found someone over internet dating heres my thoughts on this. Why would that woman state that so immediately? And in such a way as well. I personally think its important to talk about sex. Not in a dodgy way, but so as to be clear to each other your pasts and your struggles and what you want to give in marriage. But I wouldnt discuss that until you had met and you talked about other important things first.

Seoul I really recommend you look up a guy on itunes called Mark Driscoll. Find the audio series called 'The Peasant Princess'. Hes brilliant he goes over the book of Song of songs and talks about sexuality and marriage and stuff. Really really useful and funny to listen to as well, lots of laughs :D
 

Pheonix

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Men are wired for sex, that's why we have such as hard time with keeping our minds on the right frame. That being said, I have no interest in raping my wife or making her feel as if I am.
 
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NodMyHeadLikeYeah

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Hello Everyone,

I was talking to a good friend of mine a while ago who has also ventured into the world of online dating here and there (what was that saying again, misery loves company? :D), so it's been nice having someone to talk to about the craziness we've both been running into, as well as being able to hear things from a guy's perspective.

One of the things he shared with me (and I think he was quite brave to have endured this conversation, personally) is that he had had an online conversation with a girl who, apparently, within only a few minutes of talking, told him all of her personal and family problems, as well as the fact that she said she had a very low sex drive (as in, no interest whatsoever, apparently.)

I thought my friend handled it rather well, as he suggested that maybe when she fell in love and found someone who truly cared for her, she might find her feelings changing. In reply, it seems she pretty much shrugged off the idea as too ridiculous to even consider.

I have to admit to being shocked over two things: 1. that someone would share this so immediately (I could see it if maybe the involved parties had been communicating for a bit or knew each other for a longer time, but to tell someone this right away? I'm not so sure), and 2. that a woman can expect to find her dream man and apparently, expect that Mr. Right, evidently, would have absolutely zero to very little interest in sex at all.

Some of you know bits and pieces of my story so I won't repeat everything here, but for myself, if I hear something like that (low sex drive) my immediate thoughts are: 1. I wonder if this person has been severely abused and traumatized or is under enormous amounts of stress, as those are usually key factors, and 2. I wonder if this person is open-minded to counseling, healing, and being open to prepare themselves for another's needs as well, because that is what would have to happen in a marriage.

I am NOT trying to sound like, "Oh, it's all about the sex!" here, but as any of you know who have read my posts, one of my own personal goals is to live my life for God but in a way that's REAL and facing the realities of life, because I find that so many Christians give good advice and spew out Scripture upon Scripture... but I always want to say, "If it were that easy, wouldn't we all be without problems? And if it that's what you're telling me to do, why isn't it working in your own life?" (After all, Jesus told us to get our own lives straight before we try to correct others.) In the inescapable reality of life, sex within a marriage, even the most holy, God-pleasing one, is going to matter.

For myself, I've been through my own trials and tribulations... but feel God has brought me through a lot and that this is one of the reasons why I've been single for so long. There were times I was too proud to go for help or did not want help in the way which God prescribed for me (such as, avoiding romantic relationships and spending time with trusted Christian mentors instead.) I am always an ongoing project that God is working on, but I do think He's helped me change quite a bit from the person I used to be.

For myself, if I were talking to someone who said he would have a low sex drive (I realize too that for some who have never had sex and/or were never married before, this may be hard to gauge or predict), I guess I would have to find out exactly what their definition of "low" means.

For some people, "low" might be once a day... for others, it may be once a week... but admittedly, if it were something like, "Well, I'd only be in the mood if it were every third blue moon after a sunny day with no rain and not a cloud in the sky and on my birthday," I would seriously have to reconsider whether or not the relationship would be headed toward the path of matrimony.

As my friend said (I'm paraphrasing a bit but I thought he gave a very reasonable and sensitive answer), "It's not that I'm hoping for extreme amounts, it's just that, I'd like to hope that in my marriage, I wouldn't have to think of sex as being something my partner saw as horribly unpleasant and a chore or that in some way, I was terrorizing my wife."

How about all of you? What are your thoughts?

Thats hot....
 

seoulsearch

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Pheonix: thank you for your post--it's comforting to know there are guys out there who are determined to be sensitive of their spouse's feelings.

Nod: yup, that's what I thought as well--my friend is pretty cool and I sure hope he meets the right girl someday! :D

I am proud to have some really great guy friends.
 

phil36

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Oh man.. Hmm...
Speaking as someone who has found someone over internet dating heres my thoughts on this. Why would that woman state that so immediately? And in such a way as well. I personally think its important to talk about sex. Not in a dodgy way, but so as to be clear to each other your pasts and your struggles and what you want to give in marriage. But I wouldnt discuss that until you had met and you talked about other important things first.

Seoul I really recommend you look up a guy on itunes called Mark Driscoll. Find the audio series called 'The Peasant Princess'. Hes brilliant he goes over the book of Song of songs and talks about sexuality and marriage and stuff. Really really useful and funny to listen to as well, lots of laughs :D

you can watch the whole video series on 'the Peasnt princess' at his church website. Mark certainly can teach..I must admit he is one of my Favourites. :)

Phil
 
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Blueberry

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There are many reasons for a low sex drive. It could be psychological, environmental as well as medical (low hormone levels) and physiological (poor health/fitness level). I wouldn't write someone off because she had a low sex drive.

I believe that today a lot of women have low sex drives because of stress. The mind is not easy to turn off, especially if it is running full speed in high gear all day. The way to breakthrough that is for a man to shower her with sincere, loving attention.. so much that she forgets everything. It may be a good backrub or foot massage or maybe a bouquet of fresh roses...something to overwhelm her senses so that she will forget everything except how great her man is. Little kisses on the neck and bubble baths help too.
Zero, you know the path to a woman's heart. That is so sensitive and romantic :)