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(I showed who wrote this so you can decide before reading it if you want to enjoy it, or preemptively disclaim it as heresy. LOL)

You hold a door open for a woman. She walks through and says nothing.
You let someone go ahead of you in traffic. They don't wave a "Thank you".
You loan someone a buck for a lottery ticket and they don't split winnings with you.

So?

In all three cases you have projected your own personal expectations, and you learned that not all people think like you.

The Old Man and the White Horse

Max Lucado (In the Eye of the Storm)
The Old Man and the White Horse

Once there was an old man who lived in a tiny village. Although poor, he was envied by all, for he owned a beautiful white horse. Even the king coveted his treasure. A horse like this had never been seen before – such was its splendor, its majesty, its strength.

People offered fabulous prices for the steed, but the old man always refused. “This horse is not a horse to me,” he would tell them. “It is a person. How could you sell a person? He is a friend, not a possession. How could you sell a friend.” The man was poor and the temptation was great. But he never sold the horse.

One morning he found that the horse was not in his stable. All the village came to see him. “You old fool,” they scoffed, “we told you that someone would steal your horse. We warned you that you would be robbed. You are so poor. How could you ever protect such a valuable animal? It would have been better to have sold him. You could have gotten whatever price you wanted. No amount would have been too high. Now the horse is gone and you’ve been cursed with misfortune.”

The old man responded, “Don’t speak too quickly. Say only that the horse is not in the stable. That is all we know; the rest is judgment. If I’ve been cursed or not, how can you know? How can you judge?”

The people contested, “Don’t make us out to be fools! We may not be philosophers, but great philosophy is not needed. The simple fact that your horse is gone is a curse.”

The old man spoke again. “All I know is that the stable is empty, and the horse is gone. The rest I don’t know. Whether it be a curse or a blessing, I can’t say. All we can see is a fragment. Who can say what will come next?”

The people of the village laughed. They thought that the man was crazy. They had always thought he was a fool; if he wasn’t, he would have sold the horse and lived off the money. But instead, he was a poor woodcutter, an old man still cutting firewood and dragging it out of the forest and selling it. He lived hand to mouth in the misery of poverty. Now he had proven that he was, indeed, a fool.

After fifteen days, the horse returned. He hadn’t been stolen; he had run away into the forest. Not only had he returned, he had brought a dozen wild horses with him. Once again, the village people gathered around the woodcutter and spoke. “Old man, you were right and we were wrong. What we thought was a curse was a blessing. Please forgive us.”

The man responded, “Once again, you go too far. Say only that the horse is back. State only that a dozen horses returned with him, but don’t judge. How do you know if this is a blessing or not? You see only a fragment. Unless you know the whole story, how can you judge? You read only one page of a book. Can you judge the whole book? You read only one word of one phrase. Can you understand the entire phrase?”

“Life is so vast, yet you judge all of life with one page or one word. All you have is one fragment! Don’t say that this is a blessing. No one knows. I am content with what I know. I am not perturbed by what I don’t.”

“Maybe the old man is right,” they said to one another. So they said little. But down deep, they knew he was wrong. They knew it was a blessing. Twelve wild horses had returned. With a little work, the animals could be broken and trained and sold for much money.

The old man had a son, an only son. The young man began to break the wild horses. After a few days, he fell from one of the horses and broke both legs. Once again the villagers gathered around the old man and cast their judgments.

“You were right,” they said. “You proved you were right. The dozen horses were not a blessing. They were a curse. Your only son has broken both his legs, and now in your old age you have no one to help you. Now you are poorer than ever.”

The old man spoke again. “You people are obsessed with judging. Don’t go so far. Say only that my son broke his legs. Who knows if it is a blessing or a curse? No one knows. We only have a fragment. Life comes in fragments.”

It so happened that a few weeks later the country engaged in war against a neighboring country. All the young men of the village were required to join the army. Only the son of the old man was excluded, because he was injured. Once again the people gathered around the old man, crying and screaming because their sons had been taken. There was little chance that they would return. The enemy was strong, and the war would be a losing struggle. They would never see their sons again.

“You were right, old man,” They wept. “God knows you were right. This proves it. Your son’s accident was a blessing. His legs may be broken, but at least he is with you. Our sons are gone forever.”

The old man spoke again. “It is impossible to talk with you. You always draw conclusions. No one knows. Say only this. Your sons had to go to war, and mine did not. No one knows if it is a blessing or a curse. No one is wise enough to know. Only God knows.”
 
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(I showed who wrote this so you can decide before reading it if you want to enjoy it, or preemptively disclaim it as heresy. LOL)

You hold a door open for a woman. She walks through and says nothing.
You let someone go ahead of you in traffic. They don't wave a "Thank you".
You loan someone a buck for a lottery ticket and they don't split winnings with you.

So?

In all three cases you have projected your own personal expectations, and you learned that not all people think like you.

The Old Man and the White Horse

Max Lucado (In the Eye of the Storm)
The Old Man and the White Horse

Once there was an old man who lived in a tiny village. Although poor, he was envied by all, for he owned a beautiful white horse. Even the king coveted his treasure. A horse like this had never been seen before – such was its splendor, its majesty, its strength.

People offered fabulous prices for the steed, but the old man always refused. “This horse is not a horse to me,” he would tell them. “It is a person. How could you sell a person? He is a friend, not a possession. How could you sell a friend.” The man was poor and the temptation was great. But he never sold the horse.

One morning he found that the horse was not in his stable. All the village came to see him. “You old fool,” they scoffed, “we told you that someone would steal your horse. We warned you that you would be robbed. You are so poor. How could you ever protect such a valuable animal? It would have been better to have sold him. You could have gotten whatever price you wanted. No amount would have been too high. Now the horse is gone and you’ve been cursed with misfortune.”

The old man responded, “Don’t speak too quickly. Say only that the horse is not in the stable. That is all we know; the rest is judgment. If I’ve been cursed or not, how can you know? How can you judge?”

The people contested, “Don’t make us out to be fools! We may not be philosophers, but great philosophy is not needed. The simple fact that your horse is gone is a curse.”

The old man spoke again. “All I know is that the stable is empty, and the horse is gone. The rest I don’t know. Whether it be a curse or a blessing, I can’t say. All we can see is a fragment. Who can say what will come next?”

The people of the village laughed. They thought that the man was crazy. They had always thought he was a fool; if he wasn’t, he would have sold the horse and lived off the money. But instead, he was a poor woodcutter, an old man still cutting firewood and dragging it out of the forest and selling it. He lived hand to mouth in the misery of poverty. Now he had proven that he was, indeed, a fool.

After fifteen days, the horse returned. He hadn’t been stolen; he had run away into the forest. Not only had he returned, he had brought a dozen wild horses with him. Once again, the village people gathered around the woodcutter and spoke. “Old man, you were right and we were wrong. What we thought was a curse was a blessing. Please forgive us.”

The man responded, “Once again, you go too far. Say only that the horse is back. State only that a dozen horses returned with him, but don’t judge. How do you know if this is a blessing or not? You see only a fragment. Unless you know the whole story, how can you judge? You read only one page of a book. Can you judge the whole book? You read only one word of one phrase. Can you understand the entire phrase?”

“Life is so vast, yet you judge all of life with one page or one word. All you have is one fragment! Don’t say that this is a blessing. No one knows. I am content with what I know. I am not perturbed by what I don’t.”

“Maybe the old man is right,” they said to one another. So they said little. But down deep, they knew he was wrong. They knew it was a blessing. Twelve wild horses had returned. With a little work, the animals could be broken and trained and sold for much money.

The old man had a son, an only son. The young man began to break the wild horses. After a few days, he fell from one of the horses and broke both legs. Once again the villagers gathered around the old man and cast their judgments.

“You were right,” they said. “You proved you were right. The dozen horses were not a blessing. They were a curse. Your only son has broken both his legs, and now in your old age you have no one to help you. Now you are poorer than ever.”

The old man spoke again. “You people are obsessed with judging. Don’t go so far. Say only that my son broke his legs. Who knows if it is a blessing or a curse? No one knows. We only have a fragment. Life comes in fragments.”

It so happened that a few weeks later the country engaged in war against a neighboring country. All the young men of the village were required to join the army. Only the son of the old man was excluded, because he was injured. Once again the people gathered around the old man, crying and screaming because their sons had been taken. There was little chance that they would return. The enemy was strong, and the war would be a losing struggle. They would never see their sons again.

“You were right, old man,” They wept. “God knows you were right. This proves it. Your son’s accident was a blessing. His legs may be broken, but at least he is with you. Our sons are gone forever.”

The old man spoke again. “It is impossible to talk with you. You always draw conclusions. No one knows. Say only this. Your sons had to go to war, and mine did not. No one knows if it is a blessing or a curse. No one is wise enough to know. Only God knows.”
This really has the same tone and style of Leo Tolstoy's short stories. It was very thought provoking.
 

maxwel

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(I showed who wrote this so you can decide before reading it if you want to enjoy it, or preemptively disclaim it as heresy. LOL)

Thanks.
blah blah blah
:)
 

maxwel

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Good story Willie... plenty in there to discuss.


I would say that although Christians can be blessed, they aren't really under a bless/curse kind of relationship with God.

From the New Testament it seems that Christians can be "blessed" or "chastened"... and according to the bible, God's chastening is, in fact, just a painful kind of blessing.
 

Adstar

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You hold a door open for a woman. She walks through and says nothing.
You let someone go ahead of you in traffic. They don't wave a "Thank you".
You loan someone a buck for a lottery ticket and they don't split winnings with you.

So?
God loves a joyful giver... So the love of giving should be the reward in itself.. Seeing someone gain help from your help should make one feel joy.. The expectation of getting a repayment from the person you are giving too makes your gift into a Loan requiring repayment.. So in truth if you only give with expectation of receiving a repayment for it then you have never truly given anything to anyone in your life...
 
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God loves a joyful giver... So the love of giving should be the reward in itself.. Seeing someone gain help from your help should make one feel joy.. The expectation of getting a repayment from the person you are giving too makes your gift into a Loan requiring repayment.. So in truth if you only give with expectation of receiving a repayment for it then you have never truly given anything to anyone in your life...
Sounds nice and churchy. But you know none of us really live that way. You like to hear a "Thank You" as much as the next person.
 

Adstar

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Sounds nice and churchy. But you know none of us really live that way. You like to hear a "Thank You" as much as the next person.
Well is it true???
Or is what i have said a lie???

Yes we fail to live up to the standards of Christ.. But The standards of Christ are still true and right and good and to be acknowledged and believed as such... So no matter how much i personally fail to be a true Christian giver often expecting thank you's and pats on the back for being such a nice Christian,, I Believe in the truth of the teachings of Jesus on the issue.. And i think i have expressed what the will of Jesus is on the issue of giving. My failure to live up to the ideals of Jesus are covered by the Blood of the Lord Jesus because i trust 100% in the sufficiency of the Atonement of the Blood of Jesus... Yeah i wish i was a better man but to fail is human and i know i am often a failure when it comes to the standards of Christ.. Thats why i cling so hard to the Way of salvation through the Atonement of Jesus.. I know i would have absolutely no chance of making it on my own filthy rag failing attempts at righteousness in my personal life...

Sounds church???? ... But is it the truth?
 
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Well is it true???
Or is what i have said a lie???

Yes we fail to live up to the standards of Christ.. But The standards of Christ are still true and right and good and to be acknowledged and believed as such... So no matter how much i personally fail to be a true Christian giver often expecting thank you's and pats on the back for being such a nice Christian,, I Believe in the truth of the teachings of Jesus on the issue.. And i think i have expressed what the will of Jesus is on the issue of giving. My failure to live up to the ideals of Jesus are covered by the Blood of the Lord Jesus because i trust 100% in the sufficiency of the Atonement of the Blood of Jesus... Yeah i wish i was a better man but to fail is human and i know i am often a failure when it comes to the standards of Christ.. Thats why i cling so hard to the Way of salvation through the Atonement of Jesus.. I know i would have absolutely no chance of making it on my own filthy rag failing attempts at righteousness in my personal life...

Sounds church???? ... But is it the truth?
Now that you have gotten your reaction to that little opening paragraph out of your system, go read the whole point of the story. It is simply to just do your best and live each day, and meet each situation as just that.... another day to accept as it is delivered to us..... without trying to give our own personal meaning to it.
 
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Here is another thought.
Each day is a blessing, and within each blessing there are good and bad things.
The privilege is to live that new day and experience the life it brings.

The end of the days, there highs and lows do not define the value of each day
or its blessing. It is always too easy to be lost in our dreams and hopes.

It is like knowing you will only live one more week maybe for some destroys
the very time they have left, or makes that time more precious.

Once you go beyond the pure experience and expression of love and its fullness,
life itself can slip between your fingers.
 

kodiak

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It is simply to just do your best and live each day, and meet each situation as just that.... another day to accept as it is delivered to us..... without trying to give our own personal meaning to it.
Thanks Willie, I liked that story last time you posted it too. It also reminds me of just how messed up our assumptions can get. We often only have part of the facts before we try to figure something out. Sometimes we even take our assumptions so far that it takes a lot for us to finally see the truth.
 
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I really enjoyed this one... Thanks for sharing.

It shows the difference between people who derive their joy and sorrow from worldly circumstances and those who trust in God, knowing that He knows what is best.

I'm currently staying with some family and everyday I wake up wondering what mood the house will be in. For them, it all depends on their current perspective on their circumstances.

It's like they are riding an emotional rollercoaster and are driven by feelings. Their "bad days" are usually caused by simple things... Wrong coffee purchased (by me... Oops! Never doing that again!), running out of salad dressing, or having to scrape off the car because it wasn't in the garage. Their "good days" usually are characterized by what they found at the mall. Yes, I judge them... And I'm working on this each day as I stay with them.

I'm more steady and non-reactive, especially since I have been growing in Christ. My circumstances do not equal my worth.

From the outside, people could look at the past 4 years of my life and think I'm cursed (its been rough) but if I never had all this garbage in my life, I wouldn't have needed to rely solely on God. And really, I have no idea why everything happened the way it did... But I don't need to. I trust He loves me and knows best. Good enough for me!

My family has a hard time with this... It's like they can't "figure me out". They see me as unemotional, which is tough at times. I still have empathy for them and of course want to share in their joy.

I just got to the point where I find it incredibly difficult to put on an act. So, I do not squeel and coo over their new shoes... I just say "that's cool" and move on.

I still love them, and do my best to show them this through other ways without flattery or giving/seeking approval. I could do a better job at this though.
 

Desertsrose

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Sounds nice and churchy. But you know none of us really live that way. You like to hear a "Thank You" as much as the next person.
Speaking of quick to judge.............after reading you own story, are you too quick to judge?

I know of people who live this way. They work as unto God, they loan and expect nothing in return. It's not churchy at all, it's living reality out of the new life in Christ.

Sure the common courtesy is nice to hear, but we don't live for it.
 
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Speaking of quick to judge.............after reading you own story, are you too quick to judge?

I know of people who live this way. They work as unto God, they loan and expect nothing in return. It's not churchy at all, it's living reality out of the new life in Christ.

Sure the common courtesy is nice to hear, but we don't live for it.
Just as you, yourself, just said, as much as we would like to believe we are just magnanimous people who could care less if anyone recognizes when we do something nice, we all like the "Thank You's" and little common acknowledgements.
 

17Bees

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Recently, I've been listening to the arguments of someone who believes strongly that the Torah is still applicable to the modern Christian, how it should govern our everyday life and frankly, makes a compelling case supported by scripture. Now, I'm not here to argue legalism and that's not the point of this post. The point is that some parts of Leviticus are practically timeless in providing healthy food or the right food to eat - such as God's command to only eat animals that have cleft hooves and chew cud. This guy arguing was adamant about the dangers of eating shrimp, for instance, instead of fish with scales or eating pork because though the animal has cleft hooves, the pig didn't chew cud. Of course, plenty of medical evidence was provided to support his case.

All that aside, my bottom line is that.... I simply don't want to do something that is an abomination to God. That's something I'd like to avoid. So, I prayed that should I be misled in thinking that the Old Testament law doesn't apply because of the sacrifice of Christ that set me free from the law, that I would be set straight and my thinking cleared. So, I asked God. I said "God, if it is such that I shouldn't eat pork, that it is an abomination to You, that the law You gave us applies to us now, please help me understand".

It was almost the next day that my sister sends me in the mail 3 packs of Tennessee country ham and bacon for Christmas. Total shock - she never sends me anything - but here it was. Then I ate at a friend's house on Christmas eve and we had ham of which they send me home with a big plastic bag of those honey baked ham slices.

So now I could say "look at my bounty that God has sent. I am convinced that God is telling me that through the sacrifice of His only Son that I am free from the law and may eat what God has set before me". On the other hand I could say that because I have studied on these things and am trying to understand God's truth that obstacles have been placed before me. "The devil himself put this bounty of the wrong kinds of food in front of me so that I would further myself from God's Word.

I could also say that I just got a lot of unexpected ham. That's a good thing. ...or not.
 
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Now that you have gotten your reaction to that little opening paragraph out of your system, go read the whole point of the story. It is simply to just do your best and live each day, and meet each situation as just that.... another day to accept as it is delivered to us..... without trying to give our own personal meaning to it.
For everyone who thought they had a bad day today, consider this: Carrie Fisher died yesterday and her death caused her mother to die today. Again, a curse or a blessing? Depends on their faith, if any, in Jesus.
 

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(I showed who wrote this so you can decide before reading it if you want to enjoy it, or preemptively disclaim it as heresy. LOL)

You hold a door open for a woman. She walks through and says nothing.
You let someone go ahead of you in traffic. They don't wave a "Thank you".
You loan someone a buck for a lottery ticket and they don't split winnings with you.

So?

In all three cases you have projected your own personal expectations, and you learned that not all people think like you.

The Old Man and the White Horse

Max Lucado (In the Eye of the Storm)
The Old Man and the White Horse

Once there was an old man who lived in a tiny village. Although poor, he was envied by all, for he owned a beautiful white horse. Even the king coveted his treasure. A horse like this had never been seen before – such was its splendor, its majesty, its strength.

People offered fabulous prices for the steed, but the old man always refused. “This horse is not a horse to me,” he would tell them. “It is a person. How could you sell a person? He is a friend, not a possession. How could you sell a friend.” The man was poor and the temptation was great. But he never sold the horse.

One morning he found that the horse was not in his stable. All the village came to see him. “You old fool,” they scoffed, “we told you that someone would steal your horse. We warned you that you would be robbed. You are so poor. How could you ever protect such a valuable animal? It would have been better to have sold him. You could have gotten whatever price you wanted. No amount would have been too high. Now the horse is gone and you’ve been cursed with misfortune.”

The old man responded, “Don’t speak too quickly. Say only that the horse is not in the stable. That is all we know; the rest is judgment. If I’ve been cursed or not, how can you know? How can you judge?”

The people contested, “Don’t make us out to be fools! We may not be philosophers, but great philosophy is not needed. The simple fact that your horse is gone is a curse.”

The old man spoke again. “All I know is that the stable is empty, and the horse is gone. The rest I don’t know. Whether it be a curse or a blessing, I can’t say. All we can see is a fragment. Who can say what will come next?”

The people of the village laughed. They thought that the man was crazy. They had always thought he was a fool; if he wasn’t, he would have sold the horse and lived off the money. But instead, he was a poor woodcutter, an old man still cutting firewood and dragging it out of the forest and selling it. He lived hand to mouth in the misery of poverty. Now he had proven that he was, indeed, a fool.

After fifteen days, the horse returned. He hadn’t been stolen; he had run away into the forest. Not only had he returned, he had brought a dozen wild horses with him. Once again, the village people gathered around the woodcutter and spoke. “Old man, you were right and we were wrong. What we thought was a curse was a blessing. Please forgive us.”

The man responded, “Once again, you go too far. Say only that the horse is back. State only that a dozen horses returned with him, but don’t judge. How do you know if this is a blessing or not? You see only a fragment. Unless you know the whole story, how can you judge? You read only one page of a book. Can you judge the whole book? You read only one word of one phrase. Can you understand the entire phrase?”

“Life is so vast, yet you judge all of life with one page or one word. All you have is one fragment! Don’t say that this is a blessing. No one knows. I am content with what I know. I am not perturbed by what I don’t.”

“Maybe the old man is right,” they said to one another. So they said little. But down deep, they knew he was wrong. They knew it was a blessing. Twelve wild horses had returned. With a little work, the animals could be broken and trained and sold for much money.

The old man had a son, an only son. The young man began to break the wild horses. After a few days, he fell from one of the horses and broke both legs. Once again the villagers gathered around the old man and cast their judgments.

“You were right,” they said. “You proved you were right. The dozen horses were not a blessing. They were a curse. Your only son has broken both his legs, and now in your old age you have no one to help you. Now you are poorer than ever.”

The old man spoke again. “You people are obsessed with judging. Don’t go so far. Say only that my son broke his legs. Who knows if it is a blessing or a curse? No one knows. We only have a fragment. Life comes in fragments.”

It so happened that a few weeks later the country engaged in war against a neighboring country. All the young men of the village were required to join the army. Only the son of the old man was excluded, because he was injured. Once again the people gathered around the old man, crying and screaming because their sons had been taken. There was little chance that they would return. The enemy was strong, and the war would be a losing struggle. They would never see their sons again.

“You were right, old man,” They wept. “God knows you were right. This proves it. Your son’s accident was a blessing. His legs may be broken, but at least he is with you. Our sons are gone forever.”

The old man spoke again. “It is impossible to talk with you. You always draw conclusions. No one knows. Say only this. Your sons had to go to war, and mine did not. No one knows if it is a blessing or a curse. No one is wise enough to know. Only God knows.”
Intresting set up and a interesting old story . As for expecting a thanks for holding the door . I haven't for a long time. I learned that folks could be having a bad day or are distracted and forget to say thanks , or they can be twits no skin off my back.
Now for letting a guy in traffic to go in front of me without a wave well the poor guy could have his wife in the front seat telling him how to drive or he could be a twit and I prefer he have both hands on the wheel. Again no sweat. Last as for the loan of a buck to a lottery winner with no pay back . I he had to borrow a buck he probably bigger debts to pay than his to me . Anyways I don't loan folks money I give not expecting repayment.
Also why would folks think the story of the man and the horse was a heresy is it that it was from Max Lucado or that he was retelling a old zen Buddhist story
Blessings
Bill
 
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Intresting set up and a interesting old story . As for expecting a thanks for holding the door . I haven't for a long time. I learned that folks could be having a bad day or are distracted and forget to say thanks , or they can be twits no skin off my back.
Now for letting a guy in traffic to go in front of me without a wave well the poor guy could have his wife in the front seat telling him how to drive or he could be a twit and I prefer he have both hands on the wheel. Again no sweat. Last as for the loan of a buck to a lottery winner with no pay back . I he had to borrow a buck he probably bigger debts to pay than his to me . Anyways I don't loan folks money I give not expecting repayment.
Also why would folks think the story of the man and the horse was a heresy is it that it was from Max Lucado or that he was retelling a old zen Buddhist story
Blessings
Bill
In North America people are so concerned with holding the door open for people... And just as concerned with saying "thank you" or recieving a "thank you". Lol... It's really funny.

In most places in Europe, no one cares whether the door gets held open or slammed in their face. If you do hold the door open for someone, it would be surprising to hear a "thank you". But its not seen as rude, nor seen as polite. It's just not something that has much significance.

Meh. Must be a cultural thing!
 
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I've been thinking about this story and I can't help but see the similarities to Job's friends. They were so quick to conclude that all his suffering and tragedies were punishment from God. They had no idea what was going on in heaven. A lot of the rational behind their conclusions actually seems sound as you read their advice to Job. And yet, their conclusions and advice were dead wrong and in a way insulting to God. It makes me think that it's wisest to be humble and not feel confident in what we think we know. We can be very wrong
 
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Recently, I've been listening to the arguments of someone who believes strongly that the Torah is still applicable to the modern Christian, how it should govern our everyday life and frankly, makes a compelling case supported by scripture. Now, I'm not here to argue legalism and that's not the point of this post. The point is that some parts of Leviticus are practically timeless in providing healthy food or the right food to eat - such as God's command to only eat animals that have cleft hooves and chew cud. This guy arguing was adamant about the dangers of eating shrimp, for instance, instead of fish with scales or eating pork because though the animal has cleft hooves, the pig didn't chew cud. Of course, plenty of medical evidence was provided to support his case.

All that aside, my bottom line is that.... I simply don't want to do something that is an abomination to God. That's something I'd like to avoid. So, I prayed that should I be misled in thinking that the Old Testament law doesn't apply because of the sacrifice of Christ that set me free from the law, that I would be set straight and my thinking cleared. So, I asked God. I said "God, if it is such that I shouldn't eat pork, that it is an abomination to You, that the law You gave us applies to us now, please help me understand".

It was almost the next day that my sister sends me in the mail 3 packs of Tennessee country ham and bacon for Christmas. Total shock - she never sends me anything - but here it was. Then I ate at a friend's house on Christmas eve and we had ham of which they send me home with a big plastic bag of those honey baked ham slices.

So now I could say "look at my bounty that God has sent. I am convinced that God is telling me that through the sacrifice of His only Son that I am free from the law and may eat what God has set before me". On the other hand I could say that because I have studied on these things and am trying to understand God's truth that obstacles have been placed before me. "The devil himself put this bounty of the wrong kinds of food in front of me so that I would further myself from God's Word.

I could also say that I just got a lot of unexpected ham. That's a good thing. ...or not.
Maybe this will set your mind at rest, about whether or not it is okay to partake of your over abundance of pork. In Acts 10- Cornelius sends for Peter to come preach to his household. Peter has a vision of the great sheet with all manner of animals on it. "And there came a voice to him, Rise Peter, kill and eat. But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean. And the voice spake unto him the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common."

Of course, that kind of extended to letting Peter know he could preach to gentiles, but the food thing works too.
 

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#20
In North America people are so concerned with holding the door open for people... And just as concerned with saying "thank you" or recieving a "thank you". Lol... It's really funny.

In most places in Europe, no one cares whether the door gets held open or slammed in their face. If you do hold the door open for someone, it would be surprising to hear a "thank you". But its not seen as rude, nor seen as polite. It's just not something that has much significance.

Meh. Must be a cultural thing!
Your probably right. It has to be a cultural thing . Then again we could all be twits .
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