God's Chosen People per Romans 11
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Its why He cast them away giving them a bill of divorce.
The new name He named His people is "Christians". They are the chaste virgin bride of Christ , clothed with the righteousness of Christ pictured in Revelation 12. The new heavenly City the married land, as the mother of us all, they labor as in birth pains until Christ is formed in them .
The new name He named His people is "Christians". They are the chaste virgin bride of Christ , clothed with the righteousness of Christ pictured in Revelation 12. The new heavenly City the married land, as the mother of us all, they labor as in birth pains until Christ is formed in them .
lol. I dunno.
When Paul was writing, he was trying to save the Jews from the Wrath of Jerusalem AD 70.
Saving those in Judaism was the driving purpose of the Book Of Romans.
He has already spelled it out: God has not rejected the Jews ... (he wants you to repent and come to him in the times of refreshing and not die horribly in the wrath)
To then turn around and suggest the God has rejected the Jews would be totally contradictory, so with my zero knowledge of ancient Greek, I understand it the other way around.....the Jews are those who have rejected Christ and not vice versa
When Paul was writing, he was trying to save the Jews from the Wrath of Jerusalem AD 70.
Saving those in Judaism was the driving purpose of the Book Of Romans.
He has already spelled it out: God has not rejected the Jews ... (he wants you to repent and come to him in the times of refreshing and not die horribly in the wrath)
To then turn around and suggest the God has rejected the Jews would be totally contradictory, so with my zero knowledge of ancient Greek, I understand it the other way around.....the Jews are those who have rejected Christ and not vice versa
What Paul never makes explicit in Romans, but is very important to understand, is the role of the real Israel.
Judah was only ever a substitutionary Israel, as real Israel was the Northern Kingdom.
You can't really understand Romans unless you understand the difference between Israel and Judah.
The prophets are clear in their distinction. (Isaiah is written to both houses, Jeremiah primarily the Jews, Ezekiel primarily the Northern Kingdom).
Paul is a bit opaque about it, which is why Romans is so dense. But all his references to the OT are not random, he is making a very specific point in the references, particularly in R9 and R11.
Judah was only ever a substitutionary Israel, as real Israel was the Northern Kingdom.
You can't really understand Romans unless you understand the difference between Israel and Judah.
The prophets are clear in their distinction. (Isaiah is written to both houses, Jeremiah primarily the Jews, Ezekiel primarily the Northern Kingdom).
Paul is a bit opaque about it, which is why Romans is so dense. But all his references to the OT are not random, he is making a very specific point in the references, particularly in R9 and R11.
Israel was all 12 tribes up
until Reheboam, the son of Solomon.
Because God was unhappy with Solomon, the Kingdom was split in two under Reheboam.
The Northern Kingdom was all the tribes, except three. It was called Israel because Ephraim, the son of Joseph, held the birthright.
The Southern Kingdom which was severed from Israel was called Judah. The Levites had already joined with Judah previously, and God left Benjamin with Judah, "to give Judah a light".
So now we have the Kingdom of Israel (9 tribes), and the Kingdom of Judah (+Jerusalem), (3 tribes).
Then Israel was divorced by God owing to her idolatry. In 721BC the Assyrians swept in, and the bulk of the Israelites were scattered. Removed from the land. Where they went is disputatious, but actually not that complicated. History show that some formed the Parthian Empire and eventually migrated into Europe. Some escaped to the Isles (Britain). They surely found a place in many other countries. The Pashtuns in Pakistan have a high incidence of left-handedness and their lore says they were Israelites - Benjaminites in fact (so not all Benjamites necessarily stayed in Judah). The dispersion of Israel was staggered, so the tribes could have settled in different places....
More importantly, Jesus knew who the Israelite tribes were.
When Israel was divorced, the name of Israel was conferred on Judah. God now was effectively working with two different groups of people. When God divorced Israel (the Northern Kingdom) he promised, (in Hosea) to remarry them.
When Jesus came his ministry was to the whole house of Israel. The time had come to remarry Israel.
That is why he said he would give the kingdom to a nation bearing fruits. He meant the Israel of the dispersion. Released from the Law, (remember, the Levites all went to Judah prior to the split), the Israelites freely and gladly accepted Jesus.
When we come to Paul in Romans, he explains all this, but it is somewhat complex, as he does so through OT references, and he calls the process a mystery, and to cap it all, he frequently refers to the Jews as Israelites....
until Reheboam, the son of Solomon.
Because God was unhappy with Solomon, the Kingdom was split in two under Reheboam.
The Northern Kingdom was all the tribes, except three. It was called Israel because Ephraim, the son of Joseph, held the birthright.
The Southern Kingdom which was severed from Israel was called Judah. The Levites had already joined with Judah previously, and God left Benjamin with Judah, "to give Judah a light".
So now we have the Kingdom of Israel (9 tribes), and the Kingdom of Judah (+Jerusalem), (3 tribes).
Then Israel was divorced by God owing to her idolatry. In 721BC the Assyrians swept in, and the bulk of the Israelites were scattered. Removed from the land. Where they went is disputatious, but actually not that complicated. History show that some formed the Parthian Empire and eventually migrated into Europe. Some escaped to the Isles (Britain). They surely found a place in many other countries. The Pashtuns in Pakistan have a high incidence of left-handedness and their lore says they were Israelites - Benjaminites in fact (so not all Benjamites necessarily stayed in Judah). The dispersion of Israel was staggered, so the tribes could have settled in different places....
More importantly, Jesus knew who the Israelite tribes were.
When Israel was divorced, the name of Israel was conferred on Judah. God now was effectively working with two different groups of people. When God divorced Israel (the Northern Kingdom) he promised, (in Hosea) to remarry them.
When Jesus came his ministry was to the whole house of Israel. The time had come to remarry Israel.
That is why he said he would give the kingdom to a nation bearing fruits. He meant the Israel of the dispersion. Released from the Law, (remember, the Levites all went to Judah prior to the split), the Israelites freely and gladly accepted Jesus.
When we come to Paul in Romans, he explains all this, but it is somewhat complex, as he does so through OT references, and he calls the process a mystery, and to cap it all, he frequently refers to the Jews as Israelites....
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Here, Paul's first reference.
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
Decrypted:
Even us Israelites, not only of the Jews, but out of the nations (where Israel proper resided)? As he says in Hosea, I will call them my people which were not my people (Israel proper) and her beloved which was not beloved (Israel proper).
Paul is talking about Israel proper, which is what the book of Hosea is about - the divorcing by God of the Northern Kingdom for Idolatry
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
Decrypted:
Even us Israelites, not only of the Jews, but out of the nations (where Israel proper resided)? As he says in Hosea, I will call them my people which were not my people (Israel proper) and her beloved which was not beloved (Israel proper).
Paul is talking about Israel proper, which is what the book of Hosea is about - the divorcing by God of the Northern Kingdom for Idolatry
The kingdom was back together by the time of Christ wasn't it.
Ezekiel 37:19 KJV
Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God ; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
Ezekiel 37:19 KJV
Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God ; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
Yes. I am not even saying you are wrong and I am right. I am just saying there is a different way to look at it that makes more sense to me...
I believe all the promises and all the blessings are through Christ. We are the heirs because of Him.
You are saying that salvation only is what we are inheriting and physical land in in the middle east is promised to Israel.
It seems, to me, this is the mistake that the Jews made when the Lord Jesus Christ came 2000 yrs ago. They thought He would be their physical King in their physical Kingdom in their physical Land.
I can't say that it is the wrong view to think that physical Israel still has physical land promises. It just doesn't seem so to me. But I can't put myself in the place of God and say 'That is wrong and this is right'.... Gods Ways are not our ways...
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This does not support that paul said God cast away the flesh.
This supports the context of is not one with the nation of Isreal.
THAT is the REASON you keep a remnant, So that the NATION does not die.
it supports the fact, God is not done with the nation of Israel.
otherwise, there is no need of a remnant.