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As we grow in the Lord and live in the reality of today, those expectations begin to die. We learn to continue to serve others without the expectation of a return of thanks or whatever because we are learning to do things as unto the Lord and not unto man.

So it's not a matter of one or the other. If someone says thanks, it warms your heart. If they don't, we continue serving out of love for one
another. There are plenty of reasons why someone may or may not say thanks. It's even good for us to not alway hear that thanks, it can help to keep us humble.

But the issue is Our Heart and Our Servitude. If we do something looking for a reward, our hearts aren't right.

That's always been at the core of the issue, Our Hearts within the gospel. When Jesus spoke to the Pharisees, they were hypocrites. All though out the preaching by Jesus about the Kingdom of God, He kept getting at the heart issue of man, because that's where all the evil begins.

If God has our hearts, we learn to trust Him with all things and so all things are a blessing whether good or bad.
Wow! You have far surpassed me. I can't even walk on water yet. LOL
 
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Hi Lauren,

No, I didn't miss the point at all. Or at least I don't think I missed the point, but I haven't addressed it yet.

I was responding to a specific post of Willie's who had responded to Adstar's comment. That's all it was, a plain and simple reply.

Just as I'm replying to your specific post right now. So will you say I missed the OP because I'm responding to you. Or should I say you've missed the post because of your post to me?



well, other than the fact you picked on the small stuff and ignored the ginormous camel, yeah, you're good...

you have to settle it with yourself after all

I'm good....:eek:
 

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Wow! You have far surpassed me. I can't even walk on water yet. LOL

I'm surprised by your comment. Gosh, this is discipleship 101. So you don't know of anyone that lives to serve the Lord?

And did you notice I said we learn? It's an ongoing relationship with our Heavenly Father.
 
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I have a spinal disease; actually a host of them. Most people are afflicted with my spinal issues, but not until they are over 60 normally. In fact, I was my surgeon's youngest spinal patient, who hadn't been a car accident to cause it. Mine could have been partially caused by a fall I took the day before the disease was discovered, or at least part of the damage could have been caused by the fall, but the disease hit me early, because I have scoliosis and lived my life as a normal, very energetic, overly active woman. I was told to stay active to keep my spine working right, and that very activity cause things to increase dramatically. Talk about a catch 22!
From the pain, I was placed on pain meds. Percocet and morphine specifically. I was on steroids to help reduce swelling, and those literally took my appetite away completely, and I was in danger of being placed on weight gainer shakes, due to the drastic weight loss. The pain meds messed with my mind and the way I thought, my emotions, everything. Due to this I almost lost my husband and family. I had literally gone from working and raising a family, going full speed from morning to night, to not being allowed to do anything for myself overnight.

After my second spinal surgery, the doctor discovered (because I was in more pain than before the surgery) that I was part of 30% of spinal patients in that, my surgery not only didn't help, but it made things worse!! I am now headed for a wheelchair soon, according to my doctors.

People have come to me and told me how sorry they are, that my life has changed so drastically for the worse. But I look at them odd when they say this to me, because I'm not sorry at all. This is just how life goes sometimes is all. I went through the "why me" phase, my anger with God, why wasn't I worthy enough to be protected from this, but I realized it's just life (the sun rises and sets on the righteous and unrighteous alike).

Through this experience, my relationship with God has changed from my asking Him for things to my asking Him what I can do for Him today; my relationship with my husband is stronger, because we learned a lot about each other through all of this (both good and bad); my children's relationship with their daddy is stronger, because they didn't have me as the buffer for a long time. And the best part to me is it made my husband and I act on our 20 plus year long dream of being self sufficient, because we lost my income and had to sell our house and start over financially.

The world is so deceiving it makes people, even many Christians, think that I lost something, because I can't work outside the house 60 hours a week, or because I can't hike as far as I used to, or because we lost our big house, or even because I have pain still daily. But I truly can't see where I've lost anything?
 

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You must have read my new years resolution......lol
I have actually attempted that once I wanted to see what faith can really do and believing anything is possible with him I tried it it didn't work but I was still happy I at least had enough faith in him to try it. one day eh and I will laugh about that day lol
 
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I'm surprised by your comment. Gosh, this is discipleship 101. So you don't know of anyone that lives to serve the Lord?

And did you notice I said we learn? It's an ongoing relationship with our Heavenly Father.
I just laugh when people say, "Oh, I live so much in God that I didn't even when that guy tried to slight me last Saturday afternoon at the grocery store....... on aisle 7." Humm, never even 'noticed' what they so accurately remember?

Sorry, but I prefer simple, imperfect honesty rather than trying to appear to be so 'all together' in front of people.
 
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I just laugh when people say, "Oh, I live so much in God that I didn't even when that guy tried to slight me last Saturday afternoon at the grocery store....... on aisle 7." Humm, never even 'noticed' what they so accurately remember?

Sorry, but I prefer simple, imperfect honesty rather than trying to appear to be so 'all together' in front of people.


for sure

I've had my 'oh I am so perfect in my 'God place' that nothing can disturb me or ruffle my peace

I honestly don't think we can take being so spiritual for 24/7....not in these bodies

and this is not to knock anyone personally, but there it is
 
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I'll be honest and admit that the little things that Willie listed would bother me. It's not that I do things for others to get something in return, but I am usually bothered at least slightly by someone's perceived lack of gratitude or thanklessness. I once bought someone a very nice gift ( I picked it out when I was traveling in Italy) and I didn't get a thank you for months. Finally, someone else prompted the person to thank me. It was like the gift was just expected. Sure, it's better to be above caring in these situations. I will admit that my opinion of this person went downhill quickly after that. In a way though, I don't think it's wrong to hope that others will be polite and unselfish. Even Christ commented when only one of the ten lepers returned to thank him for the healing. He gladly healed all ten, but only one bothered to thank him. Now, Christ wasn't vindictive like some of us might be in that situation, haha. But, he didn't not notice their lack of gratitude. I do get the moral of Willie's post and story though. We need to be less hasty to judge others ( negatively or positively ) and their circumstances because we don't know the whole story.
 
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for sure

I've had my 'oh I am so perfect in my 'God place' that nothing can disturb me or ruffle my peace

I honestly don't think we can take being so spiritual for 24/7....not in these bodies

and this is not to knock anyone personally, but there it is
Yes, we all have those good times.... but the world breaks in far too often.... and even though we get better and better at shaking it off, we are still as flawed as either Peter or Paul.
 

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Yes, we all have those good times.... but the world breaks in far too often.... and even though we get better and better at shaking it off, we are still as flawed as either Peter or Paul.
flawed? not me I follow the sinless doctrine ;b
 
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I'll be honest and admit that the little things that Willie listed would bother me. It's not that I do things for others to get something in return, but I am usually bothered at least slightly by someone's perceived lack of gratitude or thanklessness. I once bought someone a very nice gift ( I picked it out when I was traveling in Italy) and I didn't get a thank you for months. Finally, someone else prompted the person to thank me. It was like the gift was just expected. Sure, it's better to be above caring in these situations. I will admit that my opinion of this person went downhill quickly after that. In a way though, I don't think it's wrong to hope that others will be polite and unselfish. Even Christ commented when only one of the ten lepers returned to thank him for the healing. I do however get the moral of Willie's post and story though. We need to be less hasty to judge others ( negatively or positively ) and their circumstances because we don't know the whole story.
Right. And this is why Jesus told us that DESPITE these crummy things trying to get at us.... grab your boot straps, and pull yourself back up.
 
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I'm wondering why it was so important to deflect from the actual op and go off in the direction of personal offense

perhaps the black box of derailed op's has the answer.....:rolleyes:
 

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Even in the dark??
 
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LaurenTM

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Yes, we all have those good times.... but the world breaks in far too often.... and even though we get better and better at shaking it off, we are still as flawed as either Peter or Paul.
how are diamonds formed again?

or pearls...I like pearls better

one is pressure and the other is irritation

lesson in there? ;)

oh goofy me...how about irritation under pressure?
 

Blain

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Yeah, I used to sin too. It's a whole lot better now that I never even stumble anymore. LOL
And if anyone ever opposes or questions my sinlessness and perfection I have this to say [video=youtube;U3eVzStZAjQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3eVzStZAjQ[/video]
 
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Sounds nice and churchy. But you know none of us really live that way. You like to hear a "Thank You" as much as the next person.
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Willie,

you know that this is a very un-fair and un-truthful statement...you have been a 'witness'...
 
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I'll be honest and admit that the little things that Willie listed would bother me. It's not that I do things for others to get something in return, but I am usually bothered at least slightly by someone's perceived lack of gratitude or thanklessness. I once bought someone a very nice gift ( I picked it out when I was traveling in Italy) and I didn't get a thank you for months. Finally, someone else prompted the person to thank me. It was like the gift was just expected. Sure, it's better to be above caring in these situations. I will admit that my opinion of this person went downhill quickly after that. In a way though, I don't think it's wrong to hope that others will be polite and unselfish. Even Christ commented when only one of the ten lepers returned to thank him for the healing. He gladly healed all ten, but only one bothered to thank him. Now, Christ wasn't vindictive like some of us might be in that situation, haha. But, he didn't not notice their lack of gratitude. I do get the moral of Willie's post and story though. We need to be less hasty to judge others ( negatively or positively ) and their circumstances because we don't know the whole story.
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yes,
the KEY...we NEVER get the WHOLE story and so many of us take it upon themselves to 'fill-in' the GAPS?
this is what the 'world' does to us - as one gets older, we just see it more and more, and so our
hearts often break for the Love of our brothers and sisters, lost to the world's ways...