Tongues Again???

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stonesoffire

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Well we all have a tongue to talk with, but so far I know the theme of this thread is about the gift of speaking in tongues :)
So the OT people had not the Holy Spirit like we have it since pentecost. So where is it said, that all christians have the gift of speaking in tongues? As some claim.
Since I didn't say that, why ask me?

What I am saying is that the baptism will have you worship and praise God, but also you may prophecy or speak words of wisdom and knowledge about God not only to others, but to yourself.

Like....you know God will answer an honest heart seeking to know Him, so you don't necessarily have to ask in a thread on a forum.
 

stonesoffire

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Twice Jesus spoke in ancient Chaldean and it's recorded in the NT. Plus the interpretation.
 

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After the Crucifixion the believers, who already had the residential gift of the Holy Spirit, were told to tarry in Jerusalem for a while and they would be baptized in the Holy Spirit and with power, that was when the gift of prayer language was given, and for the furthering of the gospel, that is why the old testament figures and Jesus did not use that gift, it hadn't been imparted.
Best wishes
Error #1 Baptized BY the Holy Spirit into the one body, the spiritual Body of Jesus Christ.

Error #1 During the week of Passover Jewish Villages or Regions in less densely Jewish populated areas, always chose a representative to take their required Temple Tax to the Temple. After the Passover, most of those representatives stayed in Jerusalem, after traveling so FAR, to also Celebrate the Feast Pentecost which was 50 days after the first day of Passover, before returning home.

That is why there were:

Acts 2:5 (NRSV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Now there were devout Jews from every nation under heaven living in Jerusalem.
 

presidente

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Error #1 Baptized BY the Holy Spirit into the one body, the spiritual Body of Jesus Christ.
Is this supposed to show an area in a previous post?

John the Baptist prophesied of Jesus who would baptize WITH the Holy Spirit.
Paul wrote of the Holy Spirit baptizing into the body of Christ.

In the first case, Jesus does the baptizing.
In the second, the Spirit does the baptizing.
In the first case, baptism is with the Spirit.
In the second case, baptism is into the body.

Error #1 During the week of Passover Jewish Villages or Regions in less densely Jewish populated areas, always chose a representative to take their required Temple Tax to the Temple. After the Passover, most of those representatives stayed in Jerusalem, after traveling so FAR, to also Celebrate the Feast Pentecost which was 50 days after the first day of Passover, before returning home.

That is why there were:

Acts 2:5 (NRSV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Now there were devout Jews from every nation under heaven living in Jerusalem.
He's talking about believers, many of whom were in Jerusalem at the crucifixion. The Law required Jews to go to Jerusalem for the feast of Passover. I've heard of legal interpertations that applied these requirements to those who lived in the holy land. Nazareth was in the original borders. Matthew 4 even points to a prophecy about great light in the area of Zebulon and Naphtali in reference to Jesus' ministry in Galilee.
 
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jaybird88

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It was out of the ordinary!!!! The Spirit is NOW within man when one is born again.
was the Spirit not with Elijah when He called down fire, Moses at the red sea, pretty sure they had the Spirit of the Most High.
 
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Hi Presidente: I do not really disagree with most of what you said. About Christians discerning whether or not a personal prophecy is of God...Christians can be deceived, the apostle Paul wrote about it continually. The only way to really know is by the scriptures and then only if you are not a manipulator. You gave an example of a prophecy being given to a person that they should go to Africa. First of all, there is no way that such a prophecy could be absolutely known to be of God or not. I would encourage Christians to never follow a personal prophetic word as a directive for anything, go to the bible and pray a lot. Too many deceiving spirits out there. I remember the story of a single young man who traveled around to various churches holding meetings and in every church some single woman would tell him, that God wanted him to marry her(sometimes there was more then one). It is just too easy for us to think that God told us something when He did not.
 

fredoheaven

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Here is a documentary that I just found by a Pentecostal, who points out how and when many fell for deceiving spirits, causing false signs to get mixed in with the true works of the Holy Spirit, without being recognized as generated by deceiving spirits, even by Pentecostal Church elders. In Hinduism this EXPERIENCE is known as a Kundalini Awakening, which certainly is NOT CONTROLLED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, but it is obviously controlled by demons.

THIS FILM is made by a Pentecostal, who is a Tongues speaker, Tongues believing, Born Again Christian, and he is POINTING OUT the difference between the TRUE SPIRITUAL GIFTS and the Kundalini Awakening, demon controlled FALSE SIGNS that have infiltrated a lot of your Churches.

PLEASE, CEE, samuel23, and other Charismatic and Pentecostal leaders, watch this 27.5 minute film. It is scary how the Kundalini Awakening false signs have been mistaken as something from the Holy Spirit.

[video=youtube;a5ZvPwFamqs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5ZvPwFamqs[/video]


Non-Charismatics, you need to watch this video too.
oh my....
 

VCO

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Error #1 Baptized BY the Holy Spirit into the one body, the spiritual Body of Jesus Christ.

Error #1 During the week of Passover Jewish Villages or Regions in less densely Jewish populated areas, always chose a representative to take their required Temple Tax to the Temple. After the Passover, most of those representatives stayed in Jerusalem, after traveling so FAR, to also Celebrate the Feast Pentecost which was 50 days after the first day of Passover, before returning home.

That is why there were:

Acts 2:5 (NRSV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Now there were devout Jews from every nation under heaven living in Jerusalem.

Oh my goodness, now I cannot even count to 2. Next stop is the Home. That second one should have been #2.
 
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was the Spirit not with Elijah when He called down fire, Moses at the red sea, pretty sure they had the Spirit of the Most High.
key word: with . . . the holy spirit was "with" or "upon" those in the OT and the gospels

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it sees him not, neither knows him; for he dwells with you and shall be in you.


 

presidente

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You gave an example of a prophecy being given to a person that they should go to Africa. First of all, there is no way that such a prophecy could be absolutely known to be of God or not.
Paul and his co-laborers were convinced that they were supposed to go to Macedonia after Paul received a vision of a man from Macedonia in the night. His co-laborers were not the ones who saw a vision (as far as the text tells us), but they were convinced based on someone else's revelation. Churches took up collections based on Agabus' revelation about a coming famine.

Romans 12 teaches us to present our body as living sacrifices, holy and acceptable unto God that we may know what is the good, and acceptable, and perfect will of God is. We can know the will of God. The Spirit also searches the deep things of God, and Paul writes 'we have the mind of Christ.'

Timothy was to embrace prophecies spoken over him. By them he was to fight a good warfare. It is possible to discern that prophecies are genuine and then act on them.

I would encourage Christians to never follow a personal prophetic word as a directive for anything, go to the bible and pray a lot. Too many deceiving spirits out there.
There is also the Holy Spirit. I wouldn't tell Christians never to follow a personal prophetic word. I would encourage them to pray. Sometimes an individual hears a prophecy and can perceive that it is from God. Some of them just confirm what God has shown you for a long time. There are also those times where you go one place, someone prophecies something over you, and you go elsewhere and someone else prophesies the same thing. I suspect Paul had that happen when the Spirit bore witness in every city of the bonds and affliction that awaited him.

I remember the story of a single young man who traveled around to various churches holding meetings and in every church some single woman would tell him, that God wanted him to marry her(sometimes there was more then one). It is just too easy for us to think that God told us something when He did not.
We shouldn't believe every prophecy. I know a man who was a widower, an evangelist, who was praying for a wife. A single Russian woman who was very active in one of the churches he planted was at a conference for the churches where he was speaking, and believed God told her they were to get married. She told her mother. Eventually, it got back to him and he was all for it. I never really heard his description of his prayer and thought process. They are in a different country, so that may not happen.

I didn't know this at the time, but my wife told me that before we had our first conversation (we'd actually been introduced before and figured that out later), that the Lord had told her that I was the one for her. I went home and prayed and asked God if this was the woman I was supposed to marry. I can't say I heard God say that the first day, though that came later. But a little while into the relationship, and I'd thought He might have been telling me I'd meet her that month. But I was wondering if that was just me at the time. There are plenty of testimonies from people who can tell you the Lord told them who they were to marry beforehand.

There does need to be more teaching in some of these churches against prophesying falsely in the name of the Lord, too.
 
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jaybird88

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key word: with . . . the holy spirit was "with" or "upon" those in the OT and the gospels

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it sees him not, neither knows him; for he dwells with you and shall be in you.
so the Spirit was with Elijah or was not with him?
 
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Error #1 Baptized BY the Holy Spirit into the one body, the spiritual Body of Jesus Christ.

Error #1 During the week of Passover Jewish Villages or Regions in less densely Jewish populated areas, always chose a representative to take their required Temple Tax to the Temple. After the Passover, most of those representatives stayed in Jerusalem, after traveling so FAR, to also Celebrate the Feast Pentecost which was 50 days after the first day of Passover, before returning home.

That is why there were:

Acts 2:5 (NRSV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Now there were devout Jews from every nation under heaven living in Jerusalem.
baptized "by" the Holy Spirit (Ghost) . . . couldn't find any scripture using that exact phrase. . . . but did find baptized "with" the Holy Spirit (Ghost) found in Acts 1:5; Mark 1:8 and Acts 11:16. The verse you referenced 1 Cor. 12:13 - being baptized by one Spirit into one body; i.e. being baptized with holy Spirit. . .

Yes, there were many there for the feasts but the disciples were specifically "told to tarry" - Luke 24:49 And behold I bring the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry in the city of Jerusalem, until you are endued with power from on high. . . . Acts 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, you have heard of me.

 
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Presi: The bible tells us that we can marry whoever we want to as long as it is in the Lord. The command from God to a single person is, that they must marry another Christian(a real Christian), after that the choice is yours, that is the word of God on marriage from the New Testament. So why would someone believe that God told them who to marry when the word of God has said that God has given that decision to the individual, with the exception that they must marry another Christian. I went through a period of time as a Christian when I would say, God told me this or that. That was many years ago and I have found over time that God rarely speaks to us except through His word and that it is very dangerous to be listening for a voice, as it were from God, to guide us.
 

presidente

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Presi: The bible tells us that we can marry whoever we want to as long as it is in the Lord.
Where do you get that? I see that the widow is allowed to marry whoever she wills in the Lord... after a section on giving virgins in marriage and some other commentary. (I Cor. 7. Widow instruction right there at the end of the chapter.)


The command from God to a single person is, that they must marry another Christian(a real Christian), after that the choice is yours, that is the word of God on marriage from the New Testament. So why would someone believe that God told them who to marry when the word of God has said that God has given that decision to the individual, with the exception that they must marry another Christian. I went through a period of time as a Christian when I would say, God told me this or that. That was many years ago and I have found over time that God rarely speaks to us except through His word and that it is very dangerous to be listening for a voice, as it were from God, to guide us.
There are a lot of areas where we generally have a lot of freedom, but if God gives specific direction, we follow that. Paul was free to preach all over the place. But on one occasion, the Spirit of Jesus forbid him from preaching in Asia, and then he and his companions were directed to Macedonia. Normally, Israelites could take spoil from battle, but for specific battles, they could not keep the spoil. Jericho is a good example of that.

I met a single woman, a little old to be single, who thought you were only supposed to marry if God specifically told you who to marry, or something like that. I don't believe like that. But I do believe we can pray and believe God for direction. In the case of Isaac and Rebecca, Abraham prayed for the Lord to send his angel before the servant he sent to find Isaac's wife. The Lord helped the servant through a very specific answered prayer.

In general, people everywhere are free to marry in a right an honorable way, but God told Jeremiah, "Thou shalt not take thee a wife, neither shalt thou have sons or daughters in this place."
 

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He will grow any of us as much as we will grow.
 

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Here is a documentary that I just found by a Pentecostal, who points out how and when many fell for deceiving spirits, causing false signs to get mixed in with the true works of the Holy Spirit, without being recognized as generated by deceiving spirits, even by Pentecostal Church elders. In Hinduism this EXPERIENCE is known as a Kundalini Awakening, which certainly is NOT CONTROLLED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, but it is obviously controlled by demons.

THIS FILM is made by a Pentecostal, who is a Tongues speaker, Tongues believing, Born Again Christian, and he is POINTING OUT the difference between the TRUE SPIRITUAL GIFTS and the Kundalini Awakening, demon controlled FALSE SIGNS that have infiltrated a lot of your Churches.

PLEASE, CEE, samuel23, and other Charismatic and Pentecostal leaders, watch this 27.5 minute film. It is scary how the Kundalini Awakening false signs have been mistaken as something from the Holy Spirit.

[video=youtube;a5ZvPwFamqs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5ZvPwFamqs[/video]


Non-Charismatics, you need to watch this video too.

Now there are two more segments to this film, but they are mostly a rehashing of what he presented in Segment #1, and a lot of calling for new leadership in the Charismatic Churches and Pentecostal Churches to boldly take a stand against these ungodly false signs that have crept into the Churches unawares. Yes this kind of ungodly activity was prophesied, and it means we are very close to the Church being called out to go to the Wedding of the Lamb in heaven; but GOD is giving us a little time to:

Jude 1:23 (NRSV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] save others by snatching them out of the fire; and have mercy on still others with fear, hating even the tunic defiled by their bodies.

But your task will not be easy, even if you are sure that is your calling. You will be called names, and will be treated very disrespectfully. Remember what Jesus said, if you encounter one who has a demon, it most likely will require much fervent prayer, praying specifically in your own language, and may even require some very serious fasting:

Matthew 17:21 (HCSB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "However, this kind does not come out except by prayer and fasting.”

I believe this is what you will be confronting, if God calls you to s snatch some away from that kind demonic false teaching.

1 Timothy 4:1 (ASV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] But the Spirit saith expressly, that in later times some shall fall away from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons,

1 John 4:4 (GWT)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Dear children, you belong to God. So you have won the victory over these people, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.
 

presidente

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Jesus called casting out demons a miracle or sign, depending on your translation.
 
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A widow is A SINGLE CHRISTIAN PERSON, so what Paul told her about seeking a mate would apply to ALL SINGLE CHRISTIAN PERSONS. God gives us an amazing amount of freedom in our choices in life...as long as we do not sin against God in our endeavors. In the case of Isaac and Rebecca, it was a unique situation and cannot really be used as something that we think will happen to us. I remember a young Christian lady years past that stood before a lot of other young ladies and told us all that God had told her to marry her husband when he was not saved and was alcoholic. God did not tell her that because a Christian can only marry a Christian and marriage is the choice of the individual.