There is no such thing as a spiritual death because death only relates to the physical body. Our Spirits are eternal, either they will exist as part of us in eternity or exist on their own in the Lake of Fire for eternity.
So when God said to Adam that in the day you eat of it you shall surely DIE, what exactly died in that very day??? Ephesians 2:1 "When you were dead in your sins and transgressions, he made you alive in Christ" so again what type of death is this talking about?
When the bible talks about the Spirit quickening us to life it presupposes that we dont have life. If we dont have life then what do we have instead? Its not that hard to recognize that the bible speaks of us (humanity) in terms of spiritual understanding not physical. If you do not have spiritual life then you are spiritually dead and in need of life. This is so simple to understand.
But doesnt the bible say in Romans 3:11 that none seek God? nor do they understand God? Notice Jesus says "though you are evil" in Matthew 7. We do have the ability to give good gifts to seek and to find your right.....BUT....when it comes to things that must be revealed or must be spiritually discerned we do not have the ability to understand these things nor want them either in and of ourselves because we are spiritually incapable and unable to. God must liberate/regenerate our wills so that it now can understand and can actually desire and want God and therefore seek him etc. Before this happens we cannot do this, it is only by Gods grace alone.
True, but this doeskin lead to ambiguity. If it just were left 'depraved' whos to know if that means PARTIAL DEPRAVITY or TOTAL DEPRAVITY right?? Its important to make distinctions. Total means sin has affected our entire humanity. Mind, Heart, Soul, Desire, Wills and Total affirms that no human being is exempt from this. Which means totally affected by sin to the point of death. Therefore in desperate need of life.
So if they do not possess eternal life which is spiritual, then what? They are in limbo between spiritual life which they dont have and spiritual death which they do not have either???? you either have spiritual life or not, which in turn means your are spiritually dead. How is this not simple understanding?
But doesnt the bible say in Romans 3:11 that none seek God? nor do they understand God? Notice Jesus says "though you are evil" in Matthew 7. We do have the ability to give good gifts to seek and to find your right.....BUT....when it comes to things that must be revealed or must be spiritually discerned we do not have the ability to understand these things nor want them either in and of ourselves because we are spiritually incapable and unable to. God must liberate/regenerate our wills so that it now can understand and can actually desire and want God and therefore seek him etc. Before this happens we cannot do this, it is only by Gods grace alone.
Of course we make choices day to day but you cannot make a choice that goes against your very nature. Our natures are one of evil and wickedness therefore, though you can choose to do good like it says in Matthew 7 right, it cannot change the fact that your still evil no matter how much good you do. To put it simply you cannot choose to change your nature because that very choice in itself is coming out of a nature that is wicked and sinful. Your choices come from your nature and your nature is sinful and wicked therefore your choice will always be tainted by sin. This is why Calvinists would strongly claim that the emphasis should not be on mans choice because our choices are sinful for they come out of a sinful nature but rather on Gods choice. So lets talk about the freedom of Gods will rather than mans will.
Eternal life is not spiritual it is physical. Our spirit never dies, which is why the Lake of Fire is the destination of the unsaved spirit. You attempting to use human rationale to explain a spiritual principle is not how one reads the Bible. Hermeneutical exegesis is about being able to use the Holy Spirit to provide a clear indication of what the scriptures are saying among other things. An overall knowledge of the rationale that runs through scripture from beginning to end is also important to have, and that only comes by studying the word of God.
Brandon Flowers oohhh that guy. Yeah he claimed that he use to be calvinist and when i hear him im like "bro, do you even know what calvinism is?"
Look at the exegesis not the person if the exegesis is correct then you shouldn't have a problem accepting it but I wasn't responding to your query was I? Suffice it to say there are always armchair critics that are ready to throw in on a moment's notice I have no idea what the issue is. There's nothing new Under the Sun and I rather abhor having to write something that's already been written. If you have a problem with anything in particular in the link then let me know and I'll try to address it. I'm not supporting the person but I do support his exegesis.
None of the scriptures you quoted here related to 'spiritual' death, they related to strictly 'death' which is in the realm of the physical, not the spiritual. That you interpolate it to include the spiritual is your error, not the Bible's. Try reading the Bible without your pre-dispositional bias.
