Helmet of "Hope of Salvation"
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Doubt - For me there are different types of doubt.
Doubt that is sin, is to have an angel from the presence of the Lord, stand before you with
a message from the Most High and you do not believe it.
Healthy doubt is a strong conviction that asks to do something risky or dangerous, you need
to know the source. Too many times conviction has come upon people, and it is confirmed
many times before it is taken seriously, because it is easy to get these things wrong.
It is not unreasonable to wonder at such things, because the implications can be life changing.
Paul going to Jerusalem was warned about the consequences, it was made plain to him what
would happen and the church wept over this. The Lord wants us to partake in the discussion
and wrestle with our hearts to come to a joint conclusion. We are friends, and He is a great
King, who calls us to freely follow, and count the cost.
I think we confuse maybe doubt with discussion on direction, and that the Lord desires our
honesty and willingness to learn. If we cannot be honest, we never learn what we are missing
because we cannot be honest enough to accept where we are, so cover up our real needs.
Doubt that is sin, is to have an angel from the presence of the Lord, stand before you with
a message from the Most High and you do not believe it.
Healthy doubt is a strong conviction that asks to do something risky or dangerous, you need
to know the source. Too many times conviction has come upon people, and it is confirmed
many times before it is taken seriously, because it is easy to get these things wrong.
It is not unreasonable to wonder at such things, because the implications can be life changing.
Paul going to Jerusalem was warned about the consequences, it was made plain to him what
would happen and the church wept over this. The Lord wants us to partake in the discussion
and wrestle with our hearts to come to a joint conclusion. We are friends, and He is a great
King, who calls us to freely follow, and count the cost.
I think we confuse maybe doubt with discussion on direction, and that the Lord desires our
honesty and willingness to learn. If we cannot be honest, we never learn what we are missing
because we cannot be honest enough to accept where we are, so cover up our real needs.
This for me is why there has never been a rush. To turn the word of the Lord into the word
of our hearts, is time consuming. So many want an instant solution to a lifetime of something
else, or a lifetime in a church frustrated with failure to become immediate freedom with baggage
of hurt and burnt relationships. It has taken me a long time to see small steps matter, and
the distance to travel is vast.
of our hearts, is time consuming. So many want an instant solution to a lifetime of something
else, or a lifetime in a church frustrated with failure to become immediate freedom with baggage
of hurt and burnt relationships. It has taken me a long time to see small steps matter, and
the distance to travel is vast.
Is it the hope of salvation or is it the doubt of salvation?
Depending on which one YOU think it is will probably depend on how well that helmet actually works.
1 Peter 1:3-5
[FONT="]3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,[/FONT]
[FONT="]4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,[/FONT]
[FONT="]5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.[/FONT]
Depending on which one YOU think it is will probably depend on how well that helmet actually works.
1 Peter 1:3-5
[FONT="]3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,[/FONT]
[FONT="]4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,[/FONT]
[FONT="]5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.[/FONT]
Their God must be weak or on vacation that day.......
God's Version
WHATSOEVER God does, it is ETERNAL, EVERLASTING....nothing added nor taken away and He does this so men may fear him Ecclesiastes 3:14
Their Embellished VERSION
Whatsoever God does, It is eternal (except salvation)...blah blah blah....... Deniers chapter 6 verse 66!
God's Version
WHATSOEVER God does, it is ETERNAL, EVERLASTING....nothing added nor taken away and He does this so men may fear him Ecclesiastes 3:14
Their Embellished VERSION
Whatsoever God does, It is eternal (except salvation)...blah blah blah....... Deniers chapter 6 verse 66!
Greek word - elpis -
When we think of "hope" today . . . it's more like wishful thinking . . . I hope I get a job. I hope I can make next month's bills. It seems that in this sense it is more of a KNOWING - a joyful, confident expectation . . . Knowing that we who believe ARE saved. That confident expectation of being face to face with our Lord, Jesus Christ, at his coming . . . looking forward to that day.
- expectation of evil, fear
- expectation of good, hope
- in the Christian sense
- joyful and confident expectation of eternal salvation
- in the Christian sense
- on hope, in hope, having hope
- the author of hope, or he who is its foundation
- the thing hoped for
When we think of "hope" today . . . it's more like wishful thinking . . . I hope I get a job. I hope I can make next month's bills. It seems that in this sense it is more of a KNOWING - a joyful, confident expectation . . . Knowing that we who believe ARE saved. That confident expectation of being face to face with our Lord, Jesus Christ, at his coming . . . looking forward to that day.
Amen! This hope is not some wishy washy cross your fingers kind of hope. Unlike the english word "hope," the N.T. word contains no uncertainty; it speaks of something that is certain. - Strong's #1680 elpís (from elpō, "to anticipate, welcome") – properly, expectation of what is sure (certain); hope.
If we have saving faith in Christ then we have this hope. Faith is the substance of things HOPED for.. (Hebrews 11:1). So that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the HOPE of eternal life (Titus 3:7).
If we have saving faith in Christ then we have this hope. Faith is the substance of things HOPED for.. (Hebrews 11:1). So that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the HOPE of eternal life (Titus 3:7).
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade.
1 Peter 1:3-4
Hope is something that is believed but maybe different. The tension in life is everything
is by Gods will and until it occurs it is always a hope.
What is interesting is making it certain, is a lie, because it is only desired to be expressed
as certain, in case it is taken away, by describing it wrongly. So rather than weakness being
shown by those who express hope in the sense it relies on Christ and not us, it is actually
an affirmation of faith in Christ. Our hope and belief will be honoured by the King, but until
that day, it is still a hope and belief.
So I am disappointed at the lack of recognition of faith and hope, and the desire to condemn
those who understand the expression Peter is using, rather than creating a new faith of
mystical realities, which define the spiritual world as solid when this is truly illusory.
If those who want certainty and mock humbleness, yet preach heresy, how far are they from
the real spiritual realities of Christs Kingdom while declaring it is so obvious. Imagine the
certainty they claim denied by Christ when they meet Him, what a waste, what empty words,
what blindness to the clear words of scripture.
1 Peter 1:3-4
Hope is something that is believed but maybe different. The tension in life is everything
is by Gods will and until it occurs it is always a hope.
What is interesting is making it certain, is a lie, because it is only desired to be expressed
as certain, in case it is taken away, by describing it wrongly. So rather than weakness being
shown by those who express hope in the sense it relies on Christ and not us, it is actually
an affirmation of faith in Christ. Our hope and belief will be honoured by the King, but until
that day, it is still a hope and belief.
So I am disappointed at the lack of recognition of faith and hope, and the desire to condemn
those who understand the expression Peter is using, rather than creating a new faith of
mystical realities, which define the spiritual world as solid when this is truly illusory.
If those who want certainty and mock humbleness, yet preach heresy, how far are they from
the real spiritual realities of Christs Kingdom while declaring it is so obvious. Imagine the
certainty they claim denied by Christ when they meet Him, what a waste, what empty words,
what blindness to the clear words of scripture.
A small observation.
Hope in our culture is used to define things that could go one way or another, but people desire
the best outcome. In faith it has more certainty, and is core to our walking in Christ.
So equally people have looked at the greek word for repentance, as in changing ones mind, and
then extended this into new testament thought to mean this is what Jesus and the apostles meant
when the examples in Israel, the prophets, and John the Baptist is very different.
This lack of care is worrying, and humbleness before our King. These are not minor issues,
but core to our outlook of spiritual reality, our communion and our fellowship. Our spirit is one
of learning and following, yet what I am hearing is defining and then dismissing with taking in
the true insights being expressed. No wonder people go astray so easily if this is how they
approach the word.
Hope in our culture is used to define things that could go one way or another, but people desire
the best outcome. In faith it has more certainty, and is core to our walking in Christ.
So equally people have looked at the greek word for repentance, as in changing ones mind, and
then extended this into new testament thought to mean this is what Jesus and the apostles meant
when the examples in Israel, the prophets, and John the Baptist is very different.
This lack of care is worrying, and humbleness before our King. These are not minor issues,
but core to our outlook of spiritual reality, our communion and our fellowship. Our spirit is one
of learning and following, yet what I am hearing is defining and then dismissing with taking in
the true insights being expressed. No wonder people go astray so easily if this is how they
approach the word.
The reason i bring this up, because it seems to me this generation likes to think they are wearing a "Helmet of Salvation" and not wearing the helmet "The HOPE of Salvation" This generation thinks and believes they already have it, therefore why HOPE for it if you already HAVE it. But this Scripture instructs us to wear the helmet "The HOPE of Salvation" and for good reason we are to wear it, because we are to HOPE for that Salvation, it is not guaranteed as this generation likes to believe. This generation likes to wear the Helmet of Salvation, instead of the Helmet Scriptures speak of, which is the HOPE of Salvation, big difference. But He that is enduring to the end to be Saved, is indeed wearing that helmet "The HOPE of Salvation"
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
Hope, even according to the Bible means something that you do NOT have, it is something you HOPE for. Has this generation even changed the meaning of the word HOPE as to fit into their own doctrines?
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DiscipleDave
The reason i bring this up, because it seems to me this generation likes to think they are wearing a "Helmet of Salvation" and not wearing the helmet "The HOPE of Salvation"
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DiscipleDave
Just because a person claims to have the full Armour of God on, does not make it True. Also Just because a person puts on a piece of armour does not mean it CAN'T EVER be taken off. Wearing the armour, is a choice a person makes. It is not automatically given, nor once it is put on, it can Never be taken off.
We are instructed to wear the full Armour of God, it is NOT automatically worn.
Also still waiting to hear from you, as to why you think the Holy Apostle said "The HOPE of Salvation" and not "The Helmet of Salvation" as this generation believes they are wearing?
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DiscipleDave
We are instructed to wear the full Armour of God, it is NOT automatically worn.
Also still waiting to hear from you, as to why you think the Holy Apostle said "The HOPE of Salvation" and not "The Helmet of Salvation" as this generation believes they are wearing?
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
This thread is not talking about the Full Armor of God, and what Ephesians says. This particular thread is talking about a specific verse referring to the helmet of "The hope of Salvation" and asking to WHY the Apostle specifically used the word HOPE.
You act as if i ADDED the word HOPE to the helmet. Tell me is this verse a gross misapplication to you as well?
1Th_5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
This thread was a topic about this particular verse. Please make a comment on this particular verse, which indeed calls the the helmet "The HOPE of Salvation". Now if you would like to discuss the other verses which speak of the helmet in another place, then by all means do so, start a thread concerning the helmet. But this thread is concerning that specific verse in Scriptures as to WHY the Apostle said "HOPE" as if it was NOT a guaranteed thing like this generation believes. Saying it is a gross misapplication by adding the word HOPE, which i did no such thing at all concerning the topic of this thread, is in error. Please try to stay on topic.
i will comment (off topic a bit) concerning the "Helmet of Salvation"
There is a Helmet of Salvation, but the reason why the Apostle called this same helmet "The HOPE of Salvation" is for this reason. Just because you wear this helmet, does not mean it can never be taken off of your head. This is the whole point that i started this thread concerning the verse which speaks of the helmet of "Hope of Salvation". If this helmet is on, Salvation is sure. If you are carrying this helmet, or do not have it on your head, then your Salvation is not sure, because you are not wearing the helmet.
As i said before this generation believes they are wearing the "Helmet of Salvation" as if it can never be taken off or removed. Where does it teach that anywhere in Scriptures? i am now wearing this helmet, my Salvation is sure, and it is my HOPE that i endure, continue to wear this helmet and not take it off, then on Judgement Day my name will be found in the Book of Life, and then, and ONLY then will i be SAVED. It in ONLY on Judgment Day that will determine who is actually SAVED and who is not Saved, AND who thought they were Saved. Who can tell me what tomorrow holds for me? are you saying that i can't possibly remove the helmet that i am wearing right now? What? is it glued to my head? is it fastened with bolts to my neck? God forbid. (by the way, "God forbid" means NO, such as the verse that plainly teaches "Shall we continue in sin? God forbid." Means "NO")
Just because i wear the helmet today, does not mean i will be wearing it tomorrow, or a year from now. Those who think once they put it on, it can never be taken off, is the reason i bring up this verse which specifically calls this helmet "The HOPE of Salvation" which is an attempt to make the blind see the TRUTH of Scriptures. If the Apostle calls the "Helmet of Salvation" by another name "The HOPE of Salvation". you can't ignore one or the other. BOTH names for the helmet is correct and Scriptural. But to negate one of the names of the helmet, is to not accept the TRUTH of God presented to us via the Holy Inspired Scriptures of God. Wearing the helmet today call it "The Helmet of Salvation", Thinking about wearing the helmet tomorrow and beyond, call it "The HOPE of Salvation"
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
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I answered you in post #4 but I'll say it again.
I realize that this goes against a works-based mindset but then again the grace of Christ will always be a stumbling block to us that think we become righteous by what we do. This is called "works-righteousness".
The true Christian righteousness is based on believing what Christ has already done. It is called "faith-righteousness".
Here is the quote from post #4.
True biblical hope is the "confident expectation of good". - nothing to do with "maybe and maybe not".
Use that definition of hope and then we can look at hope in scriptures in context.
Why hope?....because faith is the substance of thing "hoped for". - the confident expectation of the goodness of God being manifested in us because of what Christ has done in His finished work.
We can trust Him when He says that He will perfect that which concerns us. He will never leave nor forsake us. Heb. 13:5 He said that the Holy Spirit will be with us forever. John 14:16
Jesus is not a liar and He said no one can pluck us from His hand nor the Father's hand.
This is the Christian hope - the confident expectation of the goodness and grace of God in our lives because of Christ Himself.
Our hope is built on nothing less than Jesus' blood and righteousness.
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Lauren, you always buck against the word.. if you're doing what you should be then why are you so irritated? All throughout the epistles it says ... Make your election sure, walk in a manner worthy of, faith without works is dead....... Why you fight that we have a role is beyond me... Stop hindering the truth..