Did Christ do enough to save us?
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Let me say, this is a very legalistic interpretation, and demonstrates your background.
Jesus has paid the fine, we just need to claim it.
His condition is we admit what we did was wrong and commit to not repeat it.
Now your projection was to add "and never " which is not a commitment, but a recorded action
which if fulfilled, ie perfection, means you are forgiven when proved.
Now this is not what I am saying, but it demonstrates your hatred of repentance and commitment
to walk righteously. Read Ezek 18:21-26 to get what repentance is in Gods terms.
What this illustrates is bringing into the light where you really all stand.
It is between you and the Lord how you resolve these issue, for me scripture is
obvious. I am called just to testify to it, and to my heart.
Jesus has paid the fine, we just need to claim it.
His condition is we admit what we did was wrong and commit to not repeat it.
Now your projection was to add "and never " which is not a commitment, but a recorded action
which if fulfilled, ie perfection, means you are forgiven when proved.
Now this is not what I am saying, but it demonstrates your hatred of repentance and commitment
to walk righteously. Read Ezek 18:21-26 to get what repentance is in Gods terms.
What this illustrates is bringing into the light where you really all stand.
It is between you and the Lord how you resolve these issue, for me scripture is
obvious. I am called just to testify to it, and to my heart.
The thing is the natural man..The lost man is a natural man....wants nothing to do with Christ. The preaching of the cross is foolishness to him. 1 Corinthians 1:18. He can not understand the things of God because he is devoid of God's Spirit. 1 Corinthians 2:14. He is in the flesh and can not please God. Romans 8:8.
God..
He has to overcome all these obstacles in his life first, because he can not and will not overcome them himself.
God..
He has to overcome all these obstacles in his life first, because he can not and will not overcome them himself.
I think this illustrates the diversity of understanding we have here.
I shared with someone once who went to a full gospel church.
I said we are saved through faith alone in Christ.
He looked at me like I was an alien. He had no clue what the words meant.
Now to me faith in Christ is knowing His sacrifice brings forgiveness for my sins.
But the differences people have within this are amazing and suggests there is value
in discussing why people have these differences. Some will be heretical, bringing
condemnation on others, and missing the belief that Jesus saved us to be changed through
our walk and communion with Him.
Now this is my conviction, and if anything cc has made it stronger and more urgent a subject
to talk about. The enemy is so adamant about their conviction, they regard me as evil and
an anti-christ. I understand their logic, which is the flip side of an argument why denial of
the transforming work of communion with Christ, is a denial of the cross, makes sense.
Most arguments have a mirror, which can work if not tied into other arguments.
And about to and fros. We have had this for years, but progess is being made, and things
clarified, which means the light is shinning brighter still, and more can be reached and life
spread.
I shared with someone once who went to a full gospel church.
I said we are saved through faith alone in Christ.
He looked at me like I was an alien. He had no clue what the words meant.
Now to me faith in Christ is knowing His sacrifice brings forgiveness for my sins.
But the differences people have within this are amazing and suggests there is value
in discussing why people have these differences. Some will be heretical, bringing
condemnation on others, and missing the belief that Jesus saved us to be changed through
our walk and communion with Him.
Now this is my conviction, and if anything cc has made it stronger and more urgent a subject
to talk about. The enemy is so adamant about their conviction, they regard me as evil and
an anti-christ. I understand their logic, which is the flip side of an argument why denial of
the transforming work of communion with Christ, is a denial of the cross, makes sense.
Most arguments have a mirror, which can work if not tied into other arguments.
And about to and fros. We have had this for years, but progess is being made, and things
clarified, which means the light is shinning brighter still, and more can be reached and life
spread.
Let me talk about simplicity. It is easy to say, you are adding to the cross so that is evil.
The cross is not one thing, it is a vast number of issues and dependencies.
One simple one is the cross is the final atoning sacrifice for sins, which fulfills and completes the
whole role of the temple and animal sacrifices for sin.
Acknowledging this reality through confession of faith, is not adding to the cross, but witnessing
of it. Repenting of ones sins, is admitting the folly and rebellion of sin against God and the need
to walk righteously. But to not do this is to deny the value of the cross and its power.
The cross is a doorway, which enables so much to flow in our lives, so to deny this is to take
away part of what the cross is.
Much of this language is aimed at a "religious" target, which the preachers believe is evil,
and their faith is its enemy.
So I desire to distinguish these ideas, and show what scripture teaches us. That is what it
is to walk in the light and face the darkness that often lies lurking in our midst.
The cross is not one thing, it is a vast number of issues and dependencies.
One simple one is the cross is the final atoning sacrifice for sins, which fulfills and completes the
whole role of the temple and animal sacrifices for sin.
Acknowledging this reality through confession of faith, is not adding to the cross, but witnessing
of it. Repenting of ones sins, is admitting the folly and rebellion of sin against God and the need
to walk righteously. But to not do this is to deny the value of the cross and its power.
The cross is a doorway, which enables so much to flow in our lives, so to deny this is to take
away part of what the cross is.
Much of this language is aimed at a "religious" target, which the preachers believe is evil,
and their faith is its enemy.
So I desire to distinguish these ideas, and show what scripture teaches us. That is what it
is to walk in the light and face the darkness that often lies lurking in our midst.
This is a way of thinking and looking at issues which is not helpful.
You attempt to say I am saying lots of things, and then supporting them, so it must be all wrong
because I am saying it. Nope. That is just nonsense dressed up as an idea.
It comes from an ethic that says self is evil, and Christ is good. But this distinction is just
meaningless. Everything we think and do as individuals is only about ourselves, because
we can never get outside the limitations of being an individual. So mixing this with language
and morality is just playing games, and for people who are not very bright.
You attempt to say I am saying lots of things, and then supporting them, so it must be all wrong
because I am saying it. Nope. That is just nonsense dressed up as an idea.
It comes from an ethic that says self is evil, and Christ is good. But this distinction is just
meaningless. Everything we think and do as individuals is only about ourselves, because
we can never get outside the limitations of being an individual. So mixing this with language
and morality is just playing games, and for people who are not very bright.
