The easy way to spot a false grace message
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Here is what the true grace message teaches.....
Titus 2:11-15
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee."
Titus 2:11-15
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee."
Where you will not say that you fail/sin from time to time, we freely admit that we do fail/sin from time to time.
And because we do admit our failure/sin from time, you JUDGE us as being a slave to sin.
And by that judgement on your part, you implies that you do not fail/sin and are therefore without sin.
I challenge you to name or quote any one who teaches or believes as you have often stated-----
They are a slave to sin----Sin does not matter-----There are no consequences, i.e. chastisement for sin.
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Yet you deny it (you state a person can believe in grace and abuse it to the point they lose salvation.) because if you believed it, and practiced it, you would realise.
1. God does not fail
2. People saved by grace would never abuse it (which you JUST ADMITTED WAS TRUE)
3. Thus, They could never lOSE IT.
Again, Grace is radical. So radical. the jews rejected it.
So radical. Modern day pharisees still reject it.
so radical. The bible says only a few will believe it (small gate)
Whatever happened to these scriptures?
For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
We're not just covered, we're bought, adopted, changed, new, Sons of God! Jesus gave His life to do this, so let's not claim the "sinner" man any longer. Sons of God don't practice sin.
Romans 8:14
New American Standard Bible For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Galatians 3:26
For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise. Matthew 5:9
New American Standard Bible "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
1 John 3:1
1See how great a love the Father has bestowed on us, that we would be called children of God; and such we are. For this reason the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. 2Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is. 3And everyone who has this hope fixed on Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.We're not just covered, we're bought, adopted, changed, new, Sons of God! Jesus gave His life to do this, so let's not claim the "sinner" man any longer. Sons of God don't practice sin.
You just proved yourself a sinner. You're self righteousness and judgmental, condemning heart is on full display. You are guilty of pride and wrongful judgment, sins that God finds detestable. The question of whether or not you still sin doesn't need to be asked any longer. Your sin is in print for God and all the world to see with your above post.
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So why do you not praceice what you teach?
If all these passages are true, THEN HOW CAN ANYONE EVER LOSE SALVATION?
its amazing, You preach the power of God, then you deny the power of God.
Titus 2:11-15
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Wow, I just now saw all these "to God be the glory" posts Well, my very recent remark in this same thread was very close: "to God goes the glory." God is glorious!
Glorious: adjective (from dictionary.com)
1.delightful; wonderful; completely enjoyable
2.conferring glory
3.full of glory; entitled to great renown
4.brilliantly beautiful or magnificent; splendid
Well, my very recent remark in this same thread was very close: "to God goes the glory." God is glorious!Glorious: adjective (from dictionary.com)
1.delightful; wonderful; completely enjoyable
2.conferring glory
3.full of glory; entitled to great renown
4.brilliantly beautiful or magnificent; splendid
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So now you believe calling people heretic hunters & legalists, & saying these people aren't saved is now just as sinful as living the homosexual lifestyle?
I'm glad you stated you love to hyper-repent..... cause you have much to catch up on.
Now, who's gonna cover his butt this time?
I'm glad you stated you love to hyper-repent..... cause you have much to catch up on.
Now, who's gonna cover his butt this time?
Are you going to say your BETTER than that sinner Grace777 spoke of. Or on equal ground (apart from Christ)
Jesus would not judge the prostitute What gives you the right to judge?
I have never said that heretic hunters or "legalists" ( I don't use that term ) are not saved. That is a figment of someone's own mind that they made up.
It's this type of deceitfulness that compels me to ignore some people and not interact with them just like Paul says in Romans 16:17
Romans 16:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
I have said it before but I will say it again - people that do the works of the flesh are still saved - they will have destruction come to them as a consequence of sinning in this world.
Take up shooting heroin in your arms and it will be readily apparent. Malice and slandering others in the body of Christ is just as sinful as living the homosexual lifestyle - they just have different manifestations of destruction.
It's this type of deceitfulness that compels me to ignore some people and not interact with them just like Paul says in Romans 16:17
Romans 16:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
I have said it before but I will say it again - people that do the works of the flesh are still saved - they will have destruction come to them as a consequence of sinning in this world.
Take up shooting heroin in your arms and it will be readily apparent. Malice and slandering others in the body of Christ is just as sinful as living the homosexual lifestyle - they just have different manifestations of destruction.
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It's funny, if I was without sin, I would be of good cheer and amazingly encouraging to everyone regarding the possibilities that await everyone to the glory of God. But instead of seeing love and encouragement from ISIT, we see self righteous, blasphemous pride, anger, disrespect and judgment. That right there proves he's a liar, or certifiable, or both.
The same spirit works in all the children of hell.
Matthew 13:38
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Matthew 13:38
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
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