The easy way to spot a false grace message
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Yeah they do.
They preach God has the power to turn people from sin, Cause them to walk in righteousness, That a man born of God can;t sin, That God has released them from the power of sin.
Then turn around and say salvation can be lost like it was some sort of trinket that had no meaning or something.
They put God in a box, Praise hgis power. but deny it all at the same time.
They preach God has the power to turn people from sin, Cause them to walk in righteousness, That a man born of God can;t sin, That God has released them from the power of sin.
Then turn around and say salvation can be lost like it was some sort of trinket that had no meaning or something.
They put God in a box, Praise hgis power. but deny it all at the same time.
EG - the word "this" is not actually saying what the problem is.
Is it so difficult for you to articulate what you say is the sinful action you are referring to?
I have asked you many, many times before and you fail to come up with anything.
Now theologically, if you say for instance "fear" is sinful then you are adding to scripture.
If you criticise people for claiming a righteous walk, means you oppose them.
As I said earlier, if you hold walking righteously is impossible, you are against those
who say it is possible. It is not slander to say you oppose this group.
It is no leap to go from here to say you are against righteous living which this group
stands for.
Everyone who hold with righteous walking you oppose as legalists. Again no slander
just stating mere facts.
So I fail to see a problem with the understanding of your position. Or have I got something wrong?
I have always been open for you to correct me. Day after day I have been here asking for
clarity which you have failed to deliver, yet want me to repent of something you cannot define
which is actually impossible as the Lord has not laid it on my heart.
God bless you, may the Lord bring love and joy to your path.
Is it so difficult for you to articulate what you say is the sinful action you are referring to?
I have asked you many, many times before and you fail to come up with anything.
Now theologically, if you say for instance "fear" is sinful then you are adding to scripture.
If you criticise people for claiming a righteous walk, means you oppose them.
As I said earlier, if you hold walking righteously is impossible, you are against those
who say it is possible. It is not slander to say you oppose this group.
It is no leap to go from here to say you are against righteous living which this group
stands for.
Everyone who hold with righteous walking you oppose as legalists. Again no slander
just stating mere facts.
So I fail to see a problem with the understanding of your position. Or have I got something wrong?
I have always been open for you to correct me. Day after day I have been here asking for
clarity which you have failed to deliver, yet want me to repent of something you cannot define
which is actually impossible as the Lord has not laid it on my heart.
God bless you, may the Lord bring love and joy to your path.
I am wounded. I am happy to repent of sin, laid on my heart by the Lord.
If you have something against me, come and share so we can resolve it, my friend, for
I do not want anything to be between us.
What I have against you is this continual accusation of something but you can never define
it. This in itself is slander, bringing someone into disrepute through a lie or a smear that is
intended to dishonour the other party. After days of this continual approach, do you have
any conscience at all, or only the emotion that is driving you to persecute and defame me.
Either speak your part or cease, or loose any spiritual credibility you have left.
If you have something against me, come and share so we can resolve it, my friend, for
I do not want anything to be between us.
What I have against you is this continual accusation of something but you can never define
it. This in itself is slander, bringing someone into disrepute through a lie or a smear that is
intended to dishonour the other party. After days of this continual approach, do you have
any conscience at all, or only the emotion that is driving you to persecute and defame me.
Either speak your part or cease, or loose any spiritual credibility you have left.
That's right, Satan has deceived them into believing they can never be free from sin, that they will always be under his desire and dominion. But he also promises them salvation even while serving sin, convincing them they will always be held captive and in bondage to sin while in this world. So why fight the temptations to sin, if that is just the way it is, and if sin has no bearing on salvation, or so they have been falsely led to believe.
So those who are of the world and who love to sin will of course embrace this false doctrine of sin and still be saved, because they can live like the Devil while still believing they are golden and saved. But while Satan promises them freedom, the many are really just being deceived, being also made blind, being led down the broad path of destruction. And they being yet held captive in bondage to sin are convinced by many false teachers that this is just the way it is, leaving them with no hope of escape from this dreadful condition while they are still yet in this world. Satan has filled their hearts with doubt and disbelief concerning what Jesus said He could in fact do, being convinced God's words are not true they have fallen away from the faith.
This being held captive in bondage to sin is like the children of Israel being held in bondage in Egypt by Pharaoh. But when a deliverer comes along like Moses or Jesus Christ saying you can come out of Egypt and be made free, you can come out of the world and be not partakers of her sins, these wicked children say "no you can't, you teach lies and deceit!" So these believing the lies, and these being held captive and in bondage to sin, "say we cannot be made free, we will always be in bondage in Egypt, and we will always be in the world and under it's dominion of sin, because Pharaoh and his sorcerers have said as much, but you instead speak lies and deceit.
And that is truly the sad story for new converts to the faith, they have been told they can never come out of the world and they cannot be made free from sin. Even though God is saying yes you can, believe in Me when I say you can indeed be made free, you can indeed come into the promised land, if you will but only believe and follow Me.
But even still they refuse to listen, even still they refuse to believe.
So those who are of the world and who love to sin will of course embrace this false doctrine of sin and still be saved, because they can live like the Devil while still believing they are golden and saved. But while Satan promises them freedom, the many are really just being deceived, being also made blind, being led down the broad path of destruction. And they being yet held captive in bondage to sin are convinced by many false teachers that this is just the way it is, leaving them with no hope of escape from this dreadful condition while they are still yet in this world. Satan has filled their hearts with doubt and disbelief concerning what Jesus said He could in fact do, being convinced God's words are not true they have fallen away from the faith.
This being held captive in bondage to sin is like the children of Israel being held in bondage in Egypt by Pharaoh. But when a deliverer comes along like Moses or Jesus Christ saying you can come out of Egypt and be made free, you can come out of the world and be not partakers of her sins, these wicked children say "no you can't, you teach lies and deceit!" So these believing the lies, and these being held captive and in bondage to sin, "say we cannot be made free, we will always be in bondage in Egypt, and we will always be in the world and under it's dominion of sin, because Pharaoh and his sorcerers have said as much, but you instead speak lies and deceit.
And that is truly the sad story for new converts to the faith, they have been told they can never come out of the world and they cannot be made free from sin. Even though God is saying yes you can, believe in Me when I say you can indeed be made free, you can indeed come into the promised land, if you will but only believe and follow Me.
But even still they refuse to listen, even still they refuse to believe.
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I heard this once, Maybe it will help.
A man has been walking across a tight rope for weeks. Every day he would gather a crowd, 1 Week, he starts to take a wheelbarrow. fills it wiht a few hundred lbs of rocks, And walks it across the same rope. People are amazed, Because one slip, and the man would certainly fall to his death,
5 days later, The man claims he can take a person inside the wheelbarrow across the rope. who believes him, EVERYONE claps in agreement, ans says, YES WE BELIEVE YOU.
then the man asked for volunteers, No one raised a hand.
why? Because while the BELIEVED the man could do it, They did not HAVE FAITH he would succeed, and were not willing to risk their lives to find out.
Faith acts, It does not just sit still, You can believe things all you want, But until you TRUST (HAVE FAITH) You will not act
This is what James was trying to say, How Can you claim to have faith, when you fail to act? (have works?) If you had true faith, YOU WOULD ACT...
They had no faith, that is what I would say, They have no fellowship or communion because they have not been born of God. Mere belief will save no one
It is no different than a person saying i have faiht in God to act, Then spends his whole lifetime trying to work hard so he will be saved (because he really does not have any faith at all. His faith is in his works,, Like a jew who came out of judaism, and tried the Grace thing,, Then ended up leaving, because their true faith was always in their works.. and that faith could not overcome their lack of faith in grace.
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Then why do you clai mthe cross is not enough? That he needs you to help him save you by all those works?
That does not sound like faith in God to me..
Yes I would. However I would not be telling people that I must work, that the cross is not sufficient, that although I am a forgiven sinner saved by grace, I can still be lost (meaning I am not really saved to begin with)
Can you start to see the contradictory terms?
I'll type this slowly so you can read it:
ISIT is a delusional liar thinking he walks through life sinless and beating his chest in a very proud, godless manner doing so. He is the epitome of the Pharisee in Luke 18, and I pity him.
PJ is a much more gentle man, whom I do not associate with much on CC. I think his heart is good, (his conversations with EG not withstanding), but PJ's theology is incorrect. That's all I have to say about him.
You on the other hand proclaim yourself to be high and mighty, yet rather than following Jesus' examples of love and integrity, you follow the examples of the very "deplorable sinners" whom you accuse of being deplorable. Your actions would be hysterically funny if it wasn't so pathetic. Carry on!
And here's something you need to think about during one of those 3AM wake ups when you can't go back to sleep: everyone here on CC who acknowledges they're not perfect and are in need of God's grace, are one with God and have peace in their hearts, whereas legalistic perfectionists, like you, lack that fellowship with God and the peace He provides. I pity you.
ISIT is a delusional liar thinking he walks through life sinless and beating his chest in a very proud, godless manner doing so. He is the epitome of the Pharisee in Luke 18, and I pity him.
PJ is a much more gentle man, whom I do not associate with much on CC. I think his heart is good, (his conversations with EG not withstanding), but PJ's theology is incorrect. That's all I have to say about him.
You on the other hand proclaim yourself to be high and mighty, yet rather than following Jesus' examples of love and integrity, you follow the examples of the very "deplorable sinners" whom you accuse of being deplorable. Your actions would be hysterically funny if it wasn't so pathetic. Carry on!
And here's something you need to think about during one of those 3AM wake ups when you can't go back to sleep: everyone here on CC who acknowledges they're not perfect and are in need of God's grace, are one with God and have peace in their hearts, whereas legalistic perfectionists, like you, lack that fellowship with God and the peace He provides. I pity you.
EG - Ok, you are saying I do not have faith in Christ. This could be the sin you are referring to.
But this is not slander or anything else you mentioned.
The normal answer in the emotional world would be to get annoyed at you. But I just love you
and there is no resolution because there is nothing to resolve, as I have not sinned against you.
But this is not slander or anything else you mentioned.
The normal answer in the emotional world would be to get annoyed at you. But I just love you
and there is no resolution because there is nothing to resolve, as I have not sinned against you.
You're 54, and you sin quite a bit. We all see much of it right here on this forum. What are you going to say at 64, when you are still doing it? And then, maybe at 74?
THIS is what we try so hard to get new Christians to understand...... That the deluded idea that they are not saved because they — just like you and the rest of us — will still be sinning if we live to be a hundred...... is a mindset infected with the enemy's lies. This is designed to keep you thinking that it is hopeless.... That if you cannot make yourself totally sinless, you are not good enough for God.
And, most of all, we do not want to see some young Christian trying to follow your example, and fool themselves into thinking (actually, just 'claiming') that they are without sin occurring in their lives.
THIS is what we try so hard to get new Christians to understand...... That the deluded idea that they are not saved because they — just like you and the rest of us — will still be sinning if we live to be a hundred...... is a mindset infected with the enemy's lies. This is designed to keep you thinking that it is hopeless.... That if you cannot make yourself totally sinless, you are not good enough for God.
And, most of all, we do not want to see some young Christian trying to follow your example, and fool themselves into thinking (actually, just 'claiming') that they are without sin occurring in their lives.
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