A reminder for the bdf
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Where did you come up with that? It doesn't fit at all.
Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
17. Another ground of consolation to Christians. All must pass under the judgment of God; God's own household first, their chastisement being here, for which they should glorify Him as a proof of their membership in His family, and a pledge of their escape from the end of those whom the last judgment shall find disobedient to the Gospel.the time—Greek, "season," "fit time."judgment must begin at the house of God—the Church of living believers. Peter has in mind Eze 9:6; compare Am 3:2; Jer 25:29. Judgment is already begun, the Gospel word, as a "two-edged sword," having the double effect of saving some and condemning others, and shall be consummated at the last judgment. "When power is given to the destroyer, he observes no distinction between the righteous and the wicked; not only so, but he begins first at the righteous" [Wetstein from Rabbins]. But God limits the destroyer's power over His people.if … at us, what shall the end be of them, &c.—If even the godly have chastening judgments now, how much more shall the ungodly be doomed to damnatory judgments at last.gospel of God—the very God who is to judge them.Matthew Poole's Commentary
For the time is come; or season, viz. that which is fixed by God: the afflictions that befall God’s people come in the time appointed, and so are never unseasonable. Or this may imply, that what the prophets spoke in their time, Isaiah 10:12Jeremiah 25:29, doth especially agree to gospel times, viz. that judgment begins at the house of God.
Judgment; viz. temporary, and for good, in opposition to the destructive judgment he implies in the latter part of the verse; he means all those afflictions God brings upon his children for their correction, trial, instruction, mortification, 1 Corinthians 11:31,32.
Must begin at the house of God; the church of God, and the members of it, called here his house, as 1 Timothy 3:15 Hebrews 3:6, and typified by the material house or temple of God under the Old Testament.
What shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? How miserable, how dreadful will be the end of all those that would not obey the gospel! Implying, that they shall be in a much worse condition if God take them in hand. If he spare not his children, much less will he his enemies. If the one sip of the cup of God’s wrath, the other shall wring out the dregs, and drink them, Psalm 75:8.
Your "version" doesn't line up with the commentaries, nor the context of this scripture at all.
The "judgement" spoken of against the ungodly is the same word used against the church. It's not a good thing at all.
Every time I check your posts like this for accuracy, they fail. You always seem to have something positive to illustrate for the end for the christian when in fact all throught the NT harsh warnings & judgments are found. Your posts sound more like what Joel Osteen would say.
Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
17. Another ground of consolation to Christians. All must pass under the judgment of God; God's own household first, their chastisement being here, for which they should glorify Him as a proof of their membership in His family, and a pledge of their escape from the end of those whom the last judgment shall find disobedient to the Gospel.the time—Greek, "season," "fit time."judgment must begin at the house of God—the Church of living believers. Peter has in mind Eze 9:6; compare Am 3:2; Jer 25:29. Judgment is already begun, the Gospel word, as a "two-edged sword," having the double effect of saving some and condemning others, and shall be consummated at the last judgment. "When power is given to the destroyer, he observes no distinction between the righteous and the wicked; not only so, but he begins first at the righteous" [Wetstein from Rabbins]. But God limits the destroyer's power over His people.if … at us, what shall the end be of them, &c.—If even the godly have chastening judgments now, how much more shall the ungodly be doomed to damnatory judgments at last.gospel of God—the very God who is to judge them.Matthew Poole's Commentary
For the time is come; or season, viz. that which is fixed by God: the afflictions that befall God’s people come in the time appointed, and so are never unseasonable. Or this may imply, that what the prophets spoke in their time, Isaiah 10:12Jeremiah 25:29, doth especially agree to gospel times, viz. that judgment begins at the house of God.
Judgment; viz. temporary, and for good, in opposition to the destructive judgment he implies in the latter part of the verse; he means all those afflictions God brings upon his children for their correction, trial, instruction, mortification, 1 Corinthians 11:31,32.
Must begin at the house of God; the church of God, and the members of it, called here his house, as 1 Timothy 3:15 Hebrews 3:6, and typified by the material house or temple of God under the Old Testament.
What shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? How miserable, how dreadful will be the end of all those that would not obey the gospel! Implying, that they shall be in a much worse condition if God take them in hand. If he spare not his children, much less will he his enemies. If the one sip of the cup of God’s wrath, the other shall wring out the dregs, and drink them, Psalm 75:8.
Your "version" doesn't line up with the commentaries, nor the context of this scripture at all.
The "judgement" spoken of against the ungodly is the same word used against the church. It's not a good thing at all.
Every time I check your posts like this for accuracy, they fail. You always seem to have something positive to illustrate for the end for the christian when in fact all throught the NT harsh warnings & judgments are found. Your posts sound more like what Joel Osteen would say.
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Pot meet kettle..,,,ah Oncefallen I don't know how you resist banning both so folks can have their "example" punishments.
Bann everyone for a day if they make an ad hominem attacks? Or warning via pm then bann?
Or maybe folks could try something different and Biblical like forgive one another..,lay down grudges with the setting sun and not gossip about others or pull up hurtful comments because they havent listen to God and are still angry and hurt?
No that would be too logical and Biblical. That might actually show the world that mature Christians are different. No folks would rather be bitter and mad because they didn't get banned or get the other person banned....
Wait, they weren't trying to get banned?
Wow could have fooled me.
Bann everyone for a day if they make an ad hominem attacks? Or warning via pm then bann?
Or maybe folks could try something different and Biblical like forgive one another..,lay down grudges with the setting sun and not gossip about others or pull up hurtful comments because they havent listen to God and are still angry and hurt?
No that would be too logical and Biblical. That might actually show the world that mature Christians are different. No folks would rather be bitter and mad because they didn't get banned or get the other person banned....
Wait, they weren't trying to get banned?
Wow could have fooled me.
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It is RARELY my intention to view or post in the BDF, maybe if I post a new thread and there seems nowhere else suitable I might but otherwise I'm simply "sent" there by the "new posts/threads" on the right hand side of the home page simply because a topic has caught my eye - that is how I read or respond to threads on CC. I never intentionally go to the BDF because I generally know what I'm going to get! Maybe these new posts/threads should state where they are going to take you when you click on them or maybe just a health warning would suffice!
This is "good news" for the BDF and it is a great reminder for all of us.
I think I will stick with the gospel and the Lord Jesus Christ. Thank God Jesus took our judgment on the cross. I love the fact that before judgment comes - the Lord seals and protects those that are His. I think that qualifies as good news for a BDF forum.
The true gospel of the grace of Christ is truly wonderful and it makes us fall in love with our Lord and His grace teaches us to walk righteously in this world. - not religion.
John 5:24 (NASB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
The meaning of " the gospel" is "the nearly too good to be true news."
Jesus said to repent and believe the gospel. There is real life in Christ alone.
Mark 1:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel."
I think I will stick with the gospel and the Lord Jesus Christ. Thank God Jesus took our judgment on the cross. I love the fact that before judgment comes - the Lord seals and protects those that are His. I think that qualifies as good news for a BDF forum.
The true gospel of the grace of Christ is truly wonderful and it makes us fall in love with our Lord and His grace teaches us to walk righteously in this world. - not religion.
John 5:24 (NASB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
The meaning of " the gospel" is "the nearly too good to be true news."
Jesus said to repent and believe the gospel. There is real life in Christ alone.
Mark 1:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel."
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I think you missed my point:
If I, as a new member, enter the forums and see
- These are the rules: blabla
- This is our statement of faith: "Jesus died for our sins but we do not believe in _____ (ie "hyper grace" , aliens whatever else we end up discussing over and over )
... then I know that discussing _____ in this forum is pointless... , and maaaybe, just maaaybe ONE new member will refrain from starting a debate on it
If I, as a new member, enter the forums and see
- These are the rules: blabla
- This is our statement of faith: "Jesus died for our sins but we do not believe in _____ (ie "hyper grace" , aliens whatever else we end up discussing over and over )
... then I know that discussing _____ in this forum is pointless... , and maaaybe, just maaaybe ONE new member will refrain from starting a debate on it
