Not By Works

DiscipleDave · Jan 7, 2017

sigh. . ... . . If i say it again, how will you hear it this time, when you did not hear it the first time. The Above verse is a reference to one GETTING SAVED. NOT a referrence to someone that IS SAVED

It is by Grace that i got Saved, it is through my belief (Faith) in Jesus Christ that i got SAVED, it is a Gift from God to me, which i did not deserve, nor could i have done anything for it. It was a free gift from God to me, to GET SAVED by and through His Son Jesus Christ, and what He did for me. NOTHING that i did granted that gift to me. NOTHING anyone could do to GET that gift. This is all about the moment you GET SAVED.

This generation acts like they get the GIFT over and over again every single day. They act as if Christ is crucified every single day for them. Christ gives the free Gift ONCE. Christ goes to the cross for that person the moment they accept Him as their Savior and Lord, ONCE. Getting SAVED is a one time event. You do not get SAVED every single day. You got SAVED ONCE, by Grace, through Faith, which you could do nothing for, a free gift given to you ONCE. People wake up, there is a difference between GETTING Saved and what a person MUST do once they ARE SAVED. If you can't understand this simple Truth, you will not be able to understand many prophesies that God has told me will come.

So then God did not tell me something different that what the Apostle Paul teaches. i do not teach, nor am i called to tell people how to GET SAVED, my calling is to teach people what they MUST do once they have already been SAVED, once they have already accepted the Free Gift from God.

Get Saved - by Grace, through Faith, Absolutely no works required.
Are SAVED - Works required with Faith, because Jesus plainly COMMANDED us to Love One Another, which is most certainly, WORKS.

When Jesus gave us a New Commandment, was it to try to get us to GET SAVED, or did He altogether command that to those who already were SAVED, they were already believers that HE COMMANDED them to Love One Another. You can NEVER Love One Another to GET SAVED, you can never have ANY Works to GET SAVED. But once you ARE SAVED, you better be obeying Jesus Christ your Master and Lord and Savior, which COMMANDED you to Love One Another. Woe to this generation who does not think it is required, altogether being on the broad and wide path that leads to destruction. If you are not Loving One Another, you are NO different than that goats in the parable of Jesus, calling Jesus "Lord" and not Loving One Another. Jesus Himself said "If you Love Me, you will keep my commandments" He also said "If you Love Me, you will do what I say" What does He command? What does He say? LOVE ONE ANOTHER. Woe to you if you are not doing this.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

DiscipleDave · Jan 7, 2017

dcontroversal said:

Did an Angel tell you these things? Did God tell you these things, or did satan tell you to falsely accuse someone who had done you no wrong at all?

Does anything here say or even imply that i speak for God? No, that thinking comes from you. Is there anything here that suggest that it will be me that condemns anyone to Hell? No, that thinking comes from you. So all these things are lies, and who is the father of lies? Jesus Loves you, He does, He desires to come into your heart and change you from the way that you are now. Let Him in, you will not regret it, i promise.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

FreeNChrist · Jan 7, 2017

DiscipleDave said:

sigh. . ... . . If i say it again, how will you hear it this time, when you did not hear it the first time. The Above verse is a reference to one GETTING SAVED. NOT a referrence to someone that IS SAVED

It is by Grace that i got Saved, it is through my belief (Faith) in Jesus Christ that i got SAVED, it is a Gift from God to me, which i did not deserve, nor could i have done anything for it. It was a free gift from God to me, to GET SAVED by and through His Son Jesus Christ, and what He did for me. NOTHING that i did granted that gift to me. NOTHING anyone could do to GET that gift. This is all about the moment you GET SAVED.

This generation acts like they get the GIFT over and over again every single day. They act as if Christ is crucified every single day for them. Christ gives the free Gift ONCE. Christ goes to the cross for that person the moment they accept Him as their Savior and Lord, ONCE. Getting SAVED is a one time event. You do not get SAVED every single day. You got SAVED ONCE, by Grace, through Faith, which you could do nothing for, a free gift given to you ONCE. People wake up, there is a difference between GETTING Saved and what a person MUST do once they ARE SAVED. If you can't understand this simple Truth, you will not be able to understand many prophesies that God has told me will come.

So then God did not tell me something different that what the Apostle Paul teaches. i do not teach, nor am i called to tell people how to GET SAVED, my calling is to teach people what they MUST do once they have already been SAVED, once they have already accepted the Free Gift from God.

Get Saved - by Grace, through Faith, Absolutely no works required.
Are SAVED - Works required with Faith, because Jesus plainly COMMANDED us to Love One Another, which is most certainly, WORKS.

When Jesus gave us a New Commandment, was it to try to get us to GET SAVED, or did He altogether command that to those who already were SAVED, they were already believers that HE COMMANDED them to Love One Another. You can NEVER Love One Another to GET SAVED, you can never have ANY Works to GET SAVED. But once you ARE SAVED, you better be obeying Jesus Christ your Master and Lord and Savior, which COMMANDED you to Love One Another. Woe to this generation who does not think it is required, altogether being on the broad and wide path that leads to destruction. If you are not Loving One Another, you are NO different than that goats in the parable of Jesus, calling Jesus "Lord" and not Loving One Another. Jesus Himself said "If you Love Me, you will keep my commandments" He also said "If you Love Me, you will do what I say" What does He command? What does He say? LOVE ONE ANOTHER. Woe to you if you are not doing this.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

You "get" saved by grace through faith and not by works, but, getting saved by grace through faith and not by works does not mean one "is" saved. Okay, got it now.

DiscipleDave · Jan 7, 2017

Stephen63 said:

Amen, Scriptures teaches that, they can be removed, from the tree if they are not producing fruits

Mat_7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Luk_3:9 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Joh_15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away (Notice it WAS in the tree prior to being removed) and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

Joh_15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Joh 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
Joh 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. (Do you ask and receive not, this may be the reason why)
Joh_15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

WOW, these are but a very few verses that plainly teach WORKS. Doesn't this generation teach "NO WORK" These verses plainly say and teach you WILL HAVE Works, if you don't you will be cut off. Now it is by Grace, through Faith in Jesus that you are grafted into the tree in the first place, it is a free gift to be a part of that tree, you can do no works at all to get into that tree, to be grafted into that TREE is a Free Gift from God, not because of any works that you do. This is GETTING SAVED, but once you ARE SAVED, once you are grafted into that TREE, you better have Works, or you will be removed, as also does Scriptures teach.

Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. (SAVED by Grace, through Faith, Free Gift) Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. (These are grafted into the Good Tree, notice the warning they get AFTER being grafted into that Tree. Yet another verse that proves OSAS a lie from Hell)
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, IF (Conditional) thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. (Again, Getting grafted into the Good Tree is GETTING SAVED, and this verse clearly and plainly teaches, that just because a person is grafted into that Good Tree, does not mean they will remain there. Just as it also means, just because you started the race (Getting Saved) does not mean you will achieve the prize, because you choose to fall out of the race) People, please wake up, and start believing the TRUTH of Scriptures, Eternity depends on it.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

DiscipleDave · Jan 7, 2017

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

sigh. . ... . . If i say it again, how will you hear it this time, when you did not hear it the first time. The Above verse is a reference to one GETTING SAVED. NOT a referrence to someone that IS SAVED

It is by Grace that i got Saved, it is through my belief (Faith) in Jesus Christ that i got SAVED, it is a Gift from God to me, which i did not deserve, nor could i have done anything for it. It was a free gift from God to me, to GET SAVED by and through His Son Jesus Christ, and what He did for me. NOTHING that i did granted that gift to me. NOTHING anyone could do to GET that gift. This is all about the moment you GET SAVED.

This generation acts like they get the GIFT over and over again every single day. They act as if Christ is crucified every single day for them. Christ gives the free Gift ONCE. Christ goes to the cross for that person the moment they accept Him as their Savior and Lord, ONCE. Getting SAVED is a one time event. You do not get SAVED every single day. You got SAVED ONCE, by Grace, through Faith, which you could do nothing for, a free gift given to you ONCE. People wake up, there is a difference between GETTING Saved and what a person MUST do once they ARE SAVED. If you can't understand this simple Truth, you will not be able to understand many prophesies that God has told me will come.

So then God did not tell me something different that what the Apostle Paul teaches. i do not teach, nor am i called to tell people how to GET SAVED, my calling is to teach people what they MUST do once they have already been SAVED, once they have already accepted the Free Gift from God.

Get Saved - by Grace, through Faith, Absolutely no works required.
Are SAVED - Works required with Faith, because Jesus plainly COMMANDED us to Love One Another, which is most certainly, WORKS.

When Jesus gave us a New Commandment, was it to try to get us to GET SAVED, or did He altogether command that to those who already were SAVED, they were already believers that HE COMMANDED them to Love One Another. You can NEVER Love One Another to GET SAVED, you can never have ANY Works to GET SAVED. But once you ARE SAVED, you better be obeying Jesus Christ your Master and Lord and Savior, which COMMANDED you to Love One Another. Woe to this generation who does not think it is required, altogether being on the broad and wide path that leads to destruction. If you are not Loving One Another, you are NO different than that goats in the parable of Jesus, calling Jesus "Lord" and not Loving One Another. Jesus Himself said "If you Love Me, you will keep my commandments" He also said "If you Love Me, you will do what I say" What does He command? What does He say? LOVE ONE ANOTHER. Woe to you if you are not doing this.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

FreeNChrist said:

Sorry, no. In the above statement you say
"You "get" saved by grace through faith and not by works"
then you say
"but, getting saved by grace through faith and not by works does not mean one "is" saved.

Didn't the first thing you say, you said "You get Saved, by Grace through faith and not by works"
But then you basically say "Your really NOT saved by Grace through faith and not by works in the second statement"

You either GET SAVED by Grace, through Faith and not by works, or you don't. Sorry, please explain.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

stonesoffire · Jan 7, 2017

Dave:

Amen, Scriptures teaches that, they can be removed, from the tree if they are not producing fruits.

Stones:

I have a question Dave, and a reason for asking. Jesus is the Vine. Right? We are the branches. Do vines have branches?

Dave:
Mat_7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Luk_3:9 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.[/COLOR]

Stones:
What tree might this be that Holy Spirit would cut down?

Dave:
Joh_15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away (Notice it WAS in the tree prior to being removed) and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

Joh_15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Joh 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
Joh 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. (Do you ask and receive not, this may be the reason why)
Joh_15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

Stones:
Who is Jesus speaking to here? And is this to the church? Hint: body of Christ

Dave:

WOW, these are but a very few verses that plainly teach WORKS. Doesn't this generation teach "NO WORK" These verses plainly say and teach you WILL HAVE Works, if you don't you will be cut off. Now it is by Grace, through Faith in Jesus that you are grafted into the tree in the first place, it is a free gift to be a part of that tree, you can do no works at all to get into that tree, to be grafted into that TREE is a Free Gift from God, not because of any works that you do. This is GETTING SAVED, but once you ARE SAVED, once you are grafted into that TREE, you better have Works, or you will be removed, as also does Scriptures teach.

Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. (SAVED by Grace, through Faith, Free Gift) Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. (These are grafted into the Good Tree, notice the warning they get AFTER being grafted into that Tree. Yet another verse that proves OSAS a lie from Hell)
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, IF (Conditional) thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. (Again, Getting grafted into the Good Tree is GETTING SAVED, and this verse clearly and plainly teaches, that just because a person is grafted into that Good Tree, does not mean they will remain there. Just as it also means, just because you started the race (Getting Saved) does not mean you will achieve the prize, because you choose to fall out of the race) People, please wake up, and start believing the TRUTH of Scriptures, Eternity depends on it.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

That's enough for now. I want to discuss with you trees.

Zmouth · Jan 8, 2017

dcontroversal said:

Amen, man's faith without works in his salvation is without value, which affirms that man's salvation is the result of the LORD's faith in man who He saves by His works that He alone is able to perform. After all faith is a gift that is given unto man since not all believers have the faith to believe all things are possible. But like you said it doesn't get any plainer...

However, ZERO is a proper name of a 'cubit' which being one of the '10' divine cubits has both an arithmetical and numerical value, then Zero is not without value, it's value is simply 'null', being a value defined as having no variableness nor shadow of turning.

So by using 'Zero' to demonstrate something which has no value creates a paradox since what would math be without 'Zero' seeing it is the first one of the ten divine cubits,

Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? Matt 6:27

But kudo's for capitalizing it.

garee · Jan 8, 2017

FreeNChrist said:

We are saved by and therefore through the grace that comes by the work of Christ's faith working in us. So we are saved by works, just not that of our own-selves.

dcontroversal · Jan 8, 2017

DiscipleDave said:

Nice deceptive move....now pull up the quote I was referencing...........you know.....The one where you said clearly that JESUS would call you by your Christian chat name and reference your teachings so as to condemn......just like a deceiver.....

REFERENCE the QUOTE I WAS REFERENCING or be found a FRAUD

dcontroversal · Jan 8, 2017

DiscipleDave said:

Here, I will post the quote I was referencing that you so conveniently failed to post or left out on purpose.....very deceptive!

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

Most disregard me, because that is what God told me this generation would do. He already told me, this generation would not receive the things that He told me. i even asked Him during that conversation, why then even tell them, if you know they will not hear it? He then told me "So they will not be able to plead ignorance when they stand before ME, they will have no cloak for their sins"

So then those MOST you refer to, will hear my name again on Judgement Day when Jesus says to them "My servant DiscipleDave told you the TRUTH which he testified came from ME, and you rejected what I told him" You that are the MOST have been warned.

Is it any wander the TRUTH is rejected in a world devoid of the TRUTH. Jesus was killed for teaching the Truth. Most of the Apostles were killed for teaching the TRUTH. The Truth has no place in a world that currently belongs to satan, therefore is it any wander that MOST reject it when they hear it?

FreeNChrist · Jan 8, 2017

DiscipleDave said:

Sorry, no. In the above statement you say
"You "get" saved by grace through faith and not by works"
then you say
"but, getting saved by grace through faith and not by works does not mean one "is" saved.

Didn't the first thing you say, you said "You get Saved, by Grace through faith and not by works"
But then you basically say "Your really NOT saved by Grace through faith and not by works in the second statement"

You either GET SAVED by Grace, through Faith and not by works, or you don't. Sorry, please explain.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

It's your premise, you explain it.

John146 · Jan 8, 2017

garee said:

Agreed! Galatians 2:16, Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Christ's faith justifies the believer. Where's the evidence of Christ's faith? Look no further than the cross.

JaumeJ · Jan 8, 2017

What you have placed in your post is true. Now reading all of the Word we discover that though we are only juistifed by grace, the product of faith in Jesus Christ, our faith is dead without works........these works include much more than the dead law, they include obedience of Jesus Christ Who teaches the law in His light.

To know and do these is His peace for us, works produced by faith.

John146 said:

dcontroversal · Jan 8, 2017

John146 said:

Absolutely.......notice that our justification is based upon the faith OF Christ....the word OF can be translated OF or FROM and both indicate source.......

and just like the bible states.....the RIGHTEOUSNESS of CHRIST has been applied unto ALL who exercise genuine saving faith....

It is all JESUS.......our salvation is eternally secure in Christ.....after we are saved the works we do will determine our eternal reward.....

Some (the Faithful) will have works of God, Silver and precious stones....

Many (the unfaithful) will have works of wood, hay and stubble....

Both sets of works will be tried by fire....the first will have purified works that were done in faith dia the power of Jesus in them and will have a grand entrance into the Kingdom.....

The latter will have their works burnt and are STILL SAVED YET SO AS BY FIRE and will be in the kingdom but with no so much glory and or much of an inheritance..........

dcontroversal · Jan 8, 2017

JaumeJ said:

Again, James is referenced with no context......SHOW ME YOUR FAITH..........!

How many pieces of fruit does it take to identify an apple tree...........and as a matter of fact an apple tree is an apple tree 2 to 4 years before it yields ONE PIECE of FRUIT....!

You guys need to get through your heads that works do not save or keep saved as that is a once for all act....after that it is all reward or a lack thereof based upon service

and EVERY BELIEVER into JESUS and his faith has at least 1 (ONE) work already in their life.......

This is the WORK OF THE FATHER...that YOU BELEIEVE ON HIM WHOM HE HATH SENT.......wake up!

HisHolly · Jan 8, 2017

When the Father knows it's time, has the tree yielded fruit? Or will it be cursed like the fig tree?

dcontroversal said:

Again, James is referenced with no context......SHOW ME YOUR FAITH..........!

How many pieces of fruit does it take to identify an apple tree...........and as a matter of fact an apple tree is an apple tree 2 to 4 years before it yields ONE PIECE of FRUIT....!

You guys need to get through your heads that works do not save or keep saved as that is a once for all act....after that it is all reward or a lack thereof based upon service

and EVERY BELIEVER into JESUS and his faith has at least 1 (ONE) work already in their life.......

This is the WORK OF THE FATHER...that YOU BELEIEVE ON HIM WHOM HE HATH SENT.......wake up!

mailmandan · Jan 8, 2017

dcontroversal said:

Amen! James is discussing the proof of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18), not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God (Romans 4:2-3).

Faith is the root of salvation and works are the fruit. All genuine believers are fruitful, but not all are equally fruitful.

preacher4truth · Jan 8, 2017

dcontroversal said:

Good morning brother dcontroversal,

As one who believes the Scriptures state faith to be a gift of God; Romans 12:3, and, that faith is external, coming from the Word of Christ and is thus apparently not inherent; Romans 10:17, and, that lastly in this short reply, this belief is the same power that raised Christ from the dead, showing further it not to some inherent ability that we exercise; Ephesians 1:19.

Salvation is never by any exercise, exertion or determination of man. Since we believe salvation is all of God, then we must leave it there: John 1:13; James 1:18; 1 Peter 1:1ff; Romans 9:16; 1 Thessalonians 1:4; Ephesians 2:8; Galatians 1:15 &c.

Soli Deo Gloria!

dcontroversal · Jan 8, 2017

HisHolly said:

here I will highlight it for you since you missed it the first time....

Originally Posted by dcontroversal

Again, James is referenced with no context......SHOW ME YOUR FAITH..........!

How many pieces of fruit does it take to identify an apple tree...........and as a matter of fact an apple tree is an apple tree 2 to 4 years before it yields ONE PIECE of FRUIT....!

You guys need to get through your heads that works do not save or keep saved as that is a once for all act....after that it is all reward or a lack thereof based upon service

and EVERY BELIEVER into JESUS and his faith has at least 1 (ONE) work already in their life.......

This is the WORK OF THE FATHER...that YOU BELEIEVE ON HIM WHOM HE HATH SENT.......wake up!

dcontroversal · Jan 8, 2017

mailmandan said:

EXACTLY...........the tree is the tree by birth.....some produce a single piece of fruit...some the branches break off due to quantity....!

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