How long is the tribulation?

[Persuaded]

does not Daniel tell us it will be 7 years?

No. Daniel speaks of 1260 days, 1290 days, and 1335 days.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Why would God allow a temple or a tabernacle to be built at all.
Jesus put a stop to the temple worship system at the cross.
Such worship is no longer valid.
IF a temple is built before Jesus returns, God will have nothing to do with it.

Because Israel never acknowledged Jesus as their Messiah and so they consider themselves as still under the law given through Moses. Once the Messiah was cut off, Christ crucified, God put that last seven years of the seventy seven year periods that was decreed upon Israel and began building his church. Once the church has been completed and caught up, then God will pick where he left off with Israel in fulfillment of that last seven years, complete with temple and sacrifices. He's going to deal with Israel right where He left off.

 

[zone]

What do you mean by 'it is a dead end',,,,, The Muslims do control the Temple Mount....Jordan in Particular. By the Way,,,At this time Jerusalem (the Holy City) is controlled by Israel.

I'm just saying those things are irrelevant, since they've already been fulfilled.
muslims have nothing to do with it

 

[Persuaded]

Because Israel never acknowledged Jesus as their Messiah and so they consider themselves as still under the law given through Moses. Once the Messiah was cut off, Christ crucified, God put that last seven years of the seventy seven year periods that was decreed upon Israel and began building his church. Once the church has been completed and caught up, then God will pick where he left off with Israel in fulfillment of that last seven years, complete with temple and sacrifices. He's going to deal with Israel right where He left off.

Wrong again.
God will never accept the temple worship system again.
Show me one Scripture to support your opinion.

 

[zone]

There will be another after that antichrist establishes his covenant with Israel and Islam, which is the same temple where the abomination will be set up in.

total nonsense

 

[zone]

I agree with that, but since Jerusalem is still divided then the holy city is still be tread under foot of Gentiles. No?

that's already fulfilled kjv

 

[zone]

Israel took back East Jerusalem in the Seven Days war. The took West Jerusalem from Jordan in 1948. Trump is going to move the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem. Arabs live in Jerusalem, but Israel polices Jerusalem.

Today, the status of Jerusalem remains one of the core issues in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. During the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, West Jerusalem was among the areas captured and later annexed by Israel while East Jerusalem, including the Old City, was captured and later annexed by Jordan. Israel captured East Jerusalem from Jordan during the 1967 Six-Day War and subsequently annexed it into Jerusalem, together with additional surrounding territory.[SUP][viii][/SUP] One of Israel's Basic Laws, the 1980 Jerusalem Law, refers to Jerusalem as the country's undivided capital. All branches of the Israeli government are located in Jerusalem, including the Knesset (Israel's parliament), the residences of the Prime Minister and President, and the Supreme Court. Whilst the international community rejected the annexation as illegal and treats East Jerusalem as Palestinian territory occupied by Israel....

So basically when the Beast/Anti-Christ conquers Jerusalem, he will be treading it under foot for 42 months. Jesus shows up on the Mt. of Olives, and that will be the Beast/A.C. last hooray. AMEN.

what beast/AC?

 

[zone]

....I see 'them that are with child and that give suck' as speaking of the congregations who having been raising up spiritual children with the sincere milk of the gospel. The flight being spoken of is the flight out of the congregations, because the congregations have fallen spiritually during the great tribulation period.

you really should read Jospehus.
he described the plight of pregnant women in the siege of Jerusalem 70AD - they ate their children

 

[zone]

LOL -- I do not believe in Replacement Theology - where in the world did you get that from? Have you not seen my comments about Israel - as a nation - "having their part" in the 1000-year reign of Christ?

Neither do I consider myself to be 'Reformed', per se; I do not strictly adhere to either of these extremes.

I don't bother with labels, much; I just know what I believe. However, from what I have read about how others define these terms, I think I stated the foregoing correctly.

what 1000-year reign of Christ?

 

[zone]

Why would God allow a temple or a tabernacle to be built at all.
Jesus put a stop to the temple worship system at the cross.
Such worship is no longer valid.
IF a temple is built before Jesus returns, God will have nothing to do with it.

simple clean truth.
but despised and rejected.
astonishing

 

[zone]

Because Israel never acknowledged Jesus as their Messiah and so they consider themselves as still under the law given through Moses.

so what?
all unbelievers face the same fate.
jewish or not.

 

[zone]

Wrong again.
God will never accept the temple worship system again.
Show me one Scripture to support your opinion.

tra la la.....simple and true.

 

[Bladerunner]

Why would God allow a temple or a tabernacle to be built at all.
Jesus put a stop to the temple worship system at the cross.
Such worship is no longer valid.


IF a temple is built before Jesus returns, God will have nothing to do with it.

Did he not tell you in the Bible that He Jesus will sit on Davids throne in the Holy City for 1000 years.... My guess was that was not what He meant..... ??????????????????

 

[Bladerunner]

Daniel tells us absolutely nothing about the length of the Great Tribulation. In fact, he tells us nothing about it at all, per se, as defining it. Nowhere in Daniel does it actually indicate "this is talking about the Great Tribulation"; the closest thing to it would be Daniel 11:31-39.

If anyone wants to say that Daniel 12:1 refers to the Great Tribulation, then that does not leave any room for more than a 'mention' ot if.

Considering that Daniel 12:1 occurs after everything in Daniel 11 ( including the AoD ), consider this:

~ the last part of Daniel 11:35, starting with the phrase "to the time of the end"

~ the phrase "and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished" in Daniel 11:36

~ Daniel 11:40-45

How much time will have elapsed between Daniel 11:31 and Daniel 12:1?

Yet...


Matthew 24:

[SUP]20[/SUP] But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: [SUP]21[/SUP] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.


In these verses, it seems to "pinpoint" the beginning of the Great Tribulation to a single day.

What do you think about that?

How about Matthew 24:15 (KJV) " When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand"

I guess Jesus' WORD is not good enough for you.

What do you think about that?

 

[GaryA]

How about Matthew 24:15 (KJV) " When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand"

I guess Jesus' WORD is not good enough for you.

What do you think about that?

Why do you think this verse indicates the specific length of the Great Tribulation?

 

[GaryA]

Daniel tells us absolutely nothing about the length of the Great Tribulation. In fact, he tells us nothing about it at all, per se, as defining it. Nowhere in Daniel does it actually indicate "this is talking about the Great Tribulation"; the closest thing to it would be Daniel 11:31-39.

If anyone wants to say that Daniel 12:1 refers to the Great Tribulation, then that does not leave any room for more than a 'mention' ot if.

Considering that Daniel 12:1 occurs after everything in Daniel 11 ( including the AoD ), consider this:

~ the last part of Daniel 11:35, starting with the phrase "to the time of the end"

~ the phrase "and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished" in Daniel 11:36

~ Daniel 11:40-45

How much time will have elapsed between Daniel 11:31 and Daniel 12:1?

Yet...


Matthew 24:

[SUP]20[/SUP] But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: [SUP]21[/SUP] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.


In these verses, it seems to "pinpoint" the beginning of the Great Tribulation to a single day.

What do you think about that?

How about Matthew 24:15 (KJV) " When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, ( whoso readeth, let him understand: )"

I guess Jesus' WORD is not good enough for you.

What do you think about that?

I believe that Jesus makes mention of the AoD - which Daniel 11:31 describes.

I believe that the phrase "the overspreading of abominations" in Daniel 9:27 is not referring specifically to the AoD. However, I do believe that Daniel 11:31 and Daniel 12:11 are...

 

[Ahwatukee]

Why do you think this verse indicates the specific length of the Great Tribulation?

Because Dan.9:27 states that the abomination will be set up in the middle of the seven years. Jesus quotes Dan.9:27 in Matt.24:15, which puts his description of end time events leading up to the end of the age 3 1/2 years after the abomination is set up. Matt.24:29-31 takes place 3 1/2 years after his mention of the abomination being set up.

Regarding the seven years, Revelation refers to both the first and second 3 1/2 year periods as 1260 days, 42 months and a time, times and a half a time.

Matt.24:15 = The middle of the seven

Matt.24:29-31 = End of the second 3 1/2 years and the end of the age.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Wrong again.
God will never accept the temple worship system again.
Show me one Scripture to support your opinion.

The program for the church is separate from the program of the nation Israel. Once the church has been completed, Christ will appear and gather the church. After that, he will pick up where he left off with Israel. Regarding this Jesus told them

"I have come in my Father's name and you did not accept me. If another comes in his own name, him you will receive."

Jesus said this in reference to that coming antichrist, who will make it possible for them to rebuild their temple. When he puts a stop to the sacrifices and that abomination is set up in the holy place, then Israel will flee knowing that he is not their Messiah, which takes place in the middle of the seven. At that time, they will flee out into the desert to that place that God will have prepared for them and they will remain there until Christ returns 3 1/2 years later.

If you don't think that there is going to be any more temple worship, you need to read Ezekiel 40-48 regarding the temple and sacrifices that will be going on during the millennium for Israel.

 

[Ahwatukee]

so what?
all unbelievers face the same fate.
jewish or not.

Everyone who is caught in that time period after the church has been removed from the earth, will be exposed to God's wrath, which is why believers are warned throughout scripture to continue in faith and to watch. Anyone who finds themselves here on the earth after the church is gathered, is because they were not a believer, not ready or watching. During that time there will be different programs for Israel, the 144,000 and the great tribulation saints. There will be no where to escape from events that will be coming upon the earth as a result of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. Scripture even mentions the great tribulation saints exposure to them.

 

[Ahwatukee]

what 1000-year reign of Christ?

The 1000 years that you read right in scripture, which you and others prefer to ignore and instead spiritualize. The burden of proof is on you and that because we can read "a thousand years" right in print mentioned consistently six times. When reading the context a face value, you certainly can't say that it doesn't say a thousand years.

And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain.He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[SUP]a[/SUP] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison

Did you see it that time?