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You are right, sorry I got this wrong. I have not read this passage for many years.
Peter answered: “May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money! 21 You have no part or share in this ministry, because your heart is not right before God. 22 Repent of this wickedness and pray to the Lord in the hope that he may forgive you for having such a thought in your heart. 23 For I see that you are full of bitterness and captive to sin.”
Acts 8:20-23
Interestingly Peter condemns Simon for his wickedness and asks him to repent, and ask the
Lord to forgive him for the thought he had in his heart.
And repent here is definately not change his mind, but turn from his sin, and walk Gods way.
Peter answered: “May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money! 21 You have no part or share in this ministry, because your heart is not right before God. 22 Repent of this wickedness and pray to the Lord in the hope that he may forgive you for having such a thought in your heart. 23 For I see that you are full of bitterness and captive to sin.”
Acts 8:20-23
Interestingly Peter condemns Simon for his wickedness and asks him to repent, and ask the
Lord to forgive him for the thought he had in his heart.
And repent here is definately not change his mind, but turn from his sin, and walk Gods way.
Why has God suddenly brought John 8 to my recollection?
26 Then said they to him again, What did he to thee? how opened he thine eyes?
27 He answered them, I have told you already, and ye did not hear: wherefore would ye hear it again? will ye also be his disciples?
28 Then they reviled him, and said, Thou art his disciple; but we are Moses' disciples.
29 We know that God spake unto Moses: as for this fellow, we know not from whence he is.
30 The man answered and said unto them, Why herein is a marvellous thing, that ye know not from whence he is, and yet he hath opened mine eyes.
26 Then said they to him again, What did he to thee? how opened he thine eyes?
27 He answered them, I have told you already, and ye did not hear: wherefore would ye hear it again? will ye also be his disciples?
28 Then they reviled him, and said, Thou art his disciple; but we are Moses' disciples.
29 We know that God spake unto Moses: as for this fellow, we know not from whence he is.
30 The man answered and said unto them, Why herein is a marvellous thing, that ye know not from whence he is, and yet he hath opened mine eyes.
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It is very easy to make an assumption. When conversations are light & funny, it's much easier to think something about someone that's very nice. But when you lay all the cards on the table, we still come up short on info whether we know someone.
The Bible says we know them by their fruit. Those knowing what we are looking for will cry "fruit inspectors!" to keep us from doing that very thing..... looking at their fruit.
For instance, say someone says they're Spirit-led. Then when said person cannot see the multitude of scriptures that show a christian can lose their salvation plainly written, I would question the "spirit-led" relationship that person has, & who's spirit it really is.
During my christian life, I've seen several polite, lively, energetic people that claimed both Christ & the Holy Spirit infilling that didn't have either.
Now before anyone blows a fuse at me, I'm not saying certain people have that problem..... I'm saying christian people need to look for spiritual fruit instead of friendly faces. That person smiling at you could be demon-possessed. Satan knows how to smile too, you know.
The Bible says we know them by their fruit. Those knowing what we are looking for will cry "fruit inspectors!" to keep us from doing that very thing..... looking at their fruit.
For instance, say someone says they're Spirit-led. Then when said person cannot see the multitude of scriptures that show a christian can lose their salvation plainly written, I would question the "spirit-led" relationship that person has, & who's spirit it really is.
During my christian life, I've seen several polite, lively, energetic people that claimed both Christ & the Holy Spirit infilling that didn't have either.
Now before anyone blows a fuse at me, I'm not saying certain people have that problem..... I'm saying christian people need to look for spiritual fruit instead of friendly faces. That person smiling at you could be demon-possessed. Satan knows how to smile too, you know.
How do you know that YOU are filled with the HOLY Spirit?
What fruits would you hold up to be inspected?
Grace and love is always needed, amen. We need it, and we need to extend it to each other. If we agreed on all things and if we never got cranky or impatient, where would be the learning to bear with one another and learning to forgive things that really amount to mere trifles for our brothers sake?
We need to learn to abide in and walk in the Spirit even when we disagree. Disagreeing is not a reason to leave off walking in love. In fact, nothing is a reason to leave off walking in love. And if we need help in this, we only need to ask Him.
We need to learn to abide in and walk in the Spirit even when we disagree. Disagreeing is not a reason to leave off walking in love. In fact, nothing is a reason to leave off walking in love. And if we need help in this, we only need to ask Him.
Go ahead, jump & spout on me. I didn't treat you that way, & I'm not going to, either.
I'm not perfect. Never ever said I was.
I never mentioned my own doctrine, nor anyone else's. But somewhere I hit a nerve, didn't I?
I noticed you used OSAS, & not the "other" one. I guess the "other" one was a little too close to home to mention, wasn't it?
That would explain your reaction, as well as the other guy with his questions. They always come out of the woodwork when they think one of theirs is in jeopardy.
Those long discussions with G777 about doctrine..... who were you trying to fool?
Your reaction just let the cat outta the bag..... You still believe the way he does.
I'm not perfect. Never ever said I was.
I never mentioned my own doctrine, nor anyone else's. But somewhere I hit a nerve, didn't I?
I noticed you used OSAS, & not the "other" one. I guess the "other" one was a little too close to home to mention, wasn't it?
That would explain your reaction, as well as the other guy with his questions. They always come out of the woodwork when they think one of theirs is in jeopardy.
Those long discussions with G777 about doctrine..... who were you trying to fool?
Your reaction just let the cat outta the bag..... You still believe the way he does.
Maybe this is one of those cases where we might rather ASK about a passage, instead of flatly trying to say something mentioned is not even in the Bible.
I'm including myself in this admonishment. I guess I am too much like Trump, in that when I am maliciously swung at, I tend to hit back even harder.
I'm including myself in this admonishment. I guess I am too much like Trump, in that when I am maliciously swung at, I tend to hit back even harder.
It is very easy to make an assumption. When conversations are light & funny, it's much easier to think something about someone that's very nice. But when you lay all the cards on the table, we still come up short on info whether we know someone.
The Bible says we know them by their fruit. Those knowing what we are looking for will cry "fruit inspectors!" to keep us from doing that very thing..... looking at their fruit.
For instance, say someone says they're Spirit-led. Then when said person cannot see the multitude of scriptures that show a christian can lose their salvation plainly written, I would question the "spirit-led" relationship that person has, & who's spirit it really is.
During my christian life, I've seen several polite, lively, energetic people that claimed both Christ & the Holy Spirit infilling that didn't have either.
Now before anyone blows a fuse at me, I'm not saying certain people have that problem..... I'm saying christian people need to look for spiritual fruit instead of friendly faces. That person smiling at you could be demon-possessed. Satan knows how to smile too, you know.
The Bible says we know them by their fruit. Those knowing what we are looking for will cry "fruit inspectors!" to keep us from doing that very thing..... looking at their fruit.
For instance, say someone says they're Spirit-led. Then when said person cannot see the multitude of scriptures that show a christian can lose their salvation plainly written, I would question the "spirit-led" relationship that person has, & who's spirit it really is.
During my christian life, I've seen several polite, lively, energetic people that claimed both Christ & the Holy Spirit infilling that didn't have either.
Now before anyone blows a fuse at me, I'm not saying certain people have that problem..... I'm saying christian people need to look for spiritual fruit instead of friendly faces. That person smiling at you could be demon-possessed. Satan knows how to smile too, you know.
This isn't the same as denying the deity of our Lord or teaching great evil.
I am sorry if I came across as being mean. Maybe I got a bit too full of myself. It's been known to happen.
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Can we discuss the meaning of these scriptures?
I believe it would be helpful to see how God response to legalism.
revelation 2
2 “To the angel of the church of Ephesus write, ‘These things says He who holds the seven stars in His right hand, who walks in the midst of the seven golden lampstands: “I know your works, your labor, your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars; and you have persevered and have patience, and have labored for My name's sake and have not become weary. Nevertheless I have this against you, that you have left your first love. Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent. But this you have, that you hate the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God.” ’
I believe it would be helpful to see how God response to legalism.
revelation 2
2 “To the angel of the church of Ephesus write, ‘These things says He who holds the seven stars in His right hand, who walks in the midst of the seven golden lampstands: “I know your works, your labor, your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars; and you have persevered and have patience, and have labored for My name's sake and have not become weary. Nevertheless I have this against you, that you have left your first love. Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent. But this you have, that you hate the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God.” ’
Maybe you're right. That very poster also suggested that very thing to me in one of jonteels
threads the other day. I knew free was NOT intending to say what peter thought he was but I should work on phrasing it more to something like...I don't think that's what he was saying, instead of: no, that's not what he's saying. Thanks!
threads the other day. I knew free was NOT intending to say what peter thought he was but I should work on phrasing it more to something like...I don't think that's what he was saying, instead of: no, that's not what he's saying.
Thanks!
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Zone, you know being called a martyr might be considered a compliment by some?
Why is it so hard to talk about topics instead of people?
Read this whole thread and it quickly went at least ten different directions.
Been interesting to watch the conversational tidal waves.
However I feel like there is a thread I haven't read recently from the comments made...hmmm...
Why is it so hard to talk about topics instead of people?
Read this whole thread and it quickly went at least ten different directions.
Been interesting to watch the conversational tidal waves.
However I feel like there is a thread I haven't read recently from the comments made...hmmm...