Live by Jesus teachings or Paul's?
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I see no conflict with these sets of verses based upon the truth of the following....
a) Jesus said ALL the LAW and PROPHETS<--preached against the idols of the O.T. and an eye for an eye
b) Paul said the WOLE LAW nothing about the prophets<--A new commandment which you have had from the beginning...LOVE one another as I have loved you...Unconditionally
There are some given assumptions made by the N.T. apostles....such as...
If you are loving your neighbors as yourself, You must of necessity be loving GOD as you should.....it would be an assumed fact on Paul's part....IF they are loving their neighbors as they should...it is a given that they are loving God as they should...
There is no conflict and some things (principles) are a given in scripture......and the context is (biting and devouring one another) and really the bible can be summed up in loving each other as we should....
a) Jesus said ALL the LAW and PROPHETS<--preached against the idols of the O.T. and an eye for an eye
b) Paul said the WOLE LAW nothing about the prophets<--A new commandment which you have had from the beginning...LOVE one another as I have loved you...Unconditionally
There are some given assumptions made by the N.T. apostles....such as...
If you are loving your neighbors as yourself, You must of necessity be loving GOD as you should.....it would be an assumed fact on Paul's part....IF they are loving their neighbors as they should...it is a given that they are loving God as they should...
There is no conflict and some things (principles) are a given in scripture......and the context is (biting and devouring one another) and really the bible can be summed up in loving each other as we should....
Yes,that is funny for Paul sure wrote whatever Jesus wanted him to write,and is in line with Jesus,and how can people say the Bible is the word of God,and then think there is a contradiction between Jesus and Paul,for if there was why is Paul in the Bible,and how does that not shake their faith in the word of God.
Miracles
parables
Birth Mary and Joseph
The Lord's prayer
The transfiguration
The sermon on the Mount
Sea of Galilee
Temple visit,Nazareth
Pontius Pilate
Judas Iscariot's betrayal
Gethsemane
Son of man
Some people will wonder why Paul did not point out these things concerning the Gospels,and they find it odd that he did not,but that does not make sense,for why should Paul write about those things when they are already covered in the 4 Gospels,and also they were eyewitnesses to it,where Paul came later and wrote from there,but he still pointed out the death,burial,and resurrection of Christ,which he said he only wanted to know among the saints Christ and Him crucified.All the New Testament writers wrote what Jesus wanted them to write,why do they have to tell everything about the Gospels when it is already covered in the Gospels.
Miracles
parables
Birth Mary and Joseph
The Lord's prayer
The transfiguration
The sermon on the Mount
Sea of Galilee
Temple visit,Nazareth
Pontius Pilate
Judas Iscariot's betrayal
Gethsemane
Son of man
Some people will wonder why Paul did not point out these things concerning the Gospels,and they find it odd that he did not,but that does not make sense,for why should Paul write about those things when they are already covered in the 4 Gospels,and also they were eyewitnesses to it,where Paul came later and wrote from there,but he still pointed out the death,burial,and resurrection of Christ,which he said he only wanted to know among the saints Christ and Him crucified.All the New Testament writers wrote what Jesus wanted them to write,why do they have to tell everything about the Gospels when it is already covered in the Gospels.
The gospels and the epistles of Paul have different purposes but all of them concern Jesus. The whole volume of scripture speaks about Jesus Himself.
Without reading Paul's epistles we would never know what happened from the cross to the throne from just reading the 4 gospels. Paul's epistles "explains" the gospel in relation to after the cross and resurrection of Jesus and what this means to the believer that is now in Christ.
The 11 disciples didn't have a clue about some aspects of the gospel until Paul came and showed them the revelation that Jesus Himself showed Paul.
They didn't even know that gentiles were included in the gospel. In Acts you can see the progression of the 11 apostles figuring out the gospel as they grew in the Lord and listened to Paul teach them.
All scripture needs to be filtered through the lens of the finished work of Christ. There is no conflict with Jesus in the gospels and Paul's revelation of Him - they just had different purposes and spoke to different people in different ways.
The gospels are absolutely necessary for many reasons - the main one is that they were eye witnesses of the life of Christ. Much of what He said and did is recorded.
When we see Christ - we see the Father. Jesus is perfect theology.
If we want to see what the Father's will is concerning a subject - see what Jesus did while He was on this earth.
If we want to see how the Father views sinners - look to see how Jesus interacted with them. ( both the prostitutes and the religious Pharisees )
If we want to see if it's God's will to heal people in their physical bodies - look to Jesus while He was here on this earth.
If we want to see what the Father's discipline looks like - watch Jesus discipline the disciples - He did it with His words.
Man - we need and love the 4 gospels because it is all to do with Jesus! It is called the gospel of Christ. He Himself is the good news!
Without reading Paul's epistles we would never know what happened from the cross to the throne from just reading the 4 gospels. Paul's epistles "explains" the gospel in relation to after the cross and resurrection of Jesus and what this means to the believer that is now in Christ.
The 11 disciples didn't have a clue about some aspects of the gospel until Paul came and showed them the revelation that Jesus Himself showed Paul.
They didn't even know that gentiles were included in the gospel. In Acts you can see the progression of the 11 apostles figuring out the gospel as they grew in the Lord and listened to Paul teach them.
All scripture needs to be filtered through the lens of the finished work of Christ. There is no conflict with Jesus in the gospels and Paul's revelation of Him - they just had different purposes and spoke to different people in different ways.
The gospels are absolutely necessary for many reasons - the main one is that they were eye witnesses of the life of Christ. Much of what He said and did is recorded.
When we see Christ - we see the Father. Jesus is perfect theology.
If we want to see what the Father's will is concerning a subject - see what Jesus did while He was on this earth.
If we want to see how the Father views sinners - look to see how Jesus interacted with them. ( both the prostitutes and the religious Pharisees )
If we want to see if it's God's will to heal people in their physical bodies - look to Jesus while He was here on this earth.
If we want to see what the Father's discipline looks like - watch Jesus discipline the disciples - He did it with His words.
Man - we need and love the 4 gospels because it is all to do with Jesus! It is called the gospel of Christ. He Himself is the good news!
There is only one God with one purpose, not two gods with different purposes. There are different ways that scripture shows us God. All scripture needs to be read through the lens of the principles of God. These principles never change.
Paul was chosen by Christ as the 13th apostle, the apostle to the gentiles. Christ chose a rabbi, an outstanding pupil of the best rabbi school, a man who tells us he remains a Jew and a rabbi. When Christ made Paul an apostle to the gentiles He did not make Paul over into a gentile nor take the knowledge from him Paul had spent years acquiring. Christ used these things that Paul had.
People make a huge stumbling block of "not under law" and "the law of Moses". Many have lost the meaning of the rites given Jews to lead them to righteousness as the Holy Spirit and our studies are to lead us. Today's church delights in the word "obsolete" in Hebrews 8:13 making that word apply to many things. When the dead sea scrolls were finally put together enough to get information from them it helped so very much in understanding what we didn't before by showing us how they thought when different scriptures were written, what the words meant to them.
God the Father, God the Son, and Paul speaking for them all speak with the same voice.
Paul was chosen by Christ as the 13th apostle, the apostle to the gentiles. Christ chose a rabbi, an outstanding pupil of the best rabbi school, a man who tells us he remains a Jew and a rabbi. When Christ made Paul an apostle to the gentiles He did not make Paul over into a gentile nor take the knowledge from him Paul had spent years acquiring. Christ used these things that Paul had.
People make a huge stumbling block of "not under law" and "the law of Moses". Many have lost the meaning of the rites given Jews to lead them to righteousness as the Holy Spirit and our studies are to lead us. Today's church delights in the word "obsolete" in Hebrews 8:13 making that word apply to many things. When the dead sea scrolls were finally put together enough to get information from them it helped so very much in understanding what we didn't before by showing us how they thought when different scriptures were written, what the words meant to them.
God the Father, God the Son, and Paul speaking for them all speak with the same voice.
Ahhh...right...Luke was not an eye witness himself....good one. Where did he get his words from about the life of Jesus?
Maybe he was giving an eyewitness account of what someone else told him? I'll have to check that out. Do you know the answer?
Edit:..ok I think I found the answer.
Luke 1:1-3 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile an account of the things accomplished among us,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] just as they were handed down to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and servants of the word,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] it seemed fitting for me as well, having investigated everything carefully from the beginning, to write it out for you in consecutive order, most excellent Theophilus;
Maybe he was giving an eyewitness account of what someone else told him? I'll have to check that out. Do you know the answer?
Edit:..ok I think I found the answer.
Luke 1:1-3 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile an account of the things accomplished among us,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] just as they were handed down to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and servants of the word,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] it seemed fitting for me as well, having investigated everything carefully from the beginning, to write it out for you in consecutive order, most excellent Theophilus;
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Love Luke for this and praise God he thought of everything to make us sure of whom Jesus was. Luke joined up with Paul and followed Paul after investigating. Some years latter. God thought of everything.
I've heard the term habious corpus used here (if I spelled it right)...a death without a body...it is so cool.
I've heard the term habious corpus used here (if I spelled it right)...a death without a body...it is so cool.
It is understood Paul teaches the same as does Jesus Christ.
Paul may specify specific problems with specific people, but the Gospel of Jesus Christ does not cahnge.
If you are intrigued and/or entangled with any of the
particular problems addressed by Paul to varied peoples,, you
should consult Paul on these issues, but if hyou are saved, sticking
with the Gospel as provided us from Jesus Christ is all you should
rely upon.
Even Paul stresses, there is no other gospel than the Gospel provided by Jesus Christ.
Paul may specify specific problems with specific people, but the Gospel of Jesus Christ does not cahnge.
If you are intrigued and/or entangled with any of the
particular problems addressed by Paul to varied peoples,, you
should consult Paul on these issues, but if hyou are saved, sticking
with the Gospel as provided us from Jesus Christ is all you should
rely upon.
Even Paul stresses, there is no other gospel than the Gospel provided by Jesus Christ.
Not a silly question seeing no man can serve two masters. . Its not the teaching of Paul .To accredit it to Paul or any apostle is to blaspheme the holy name by which we are called heavenward.
As a kingdom of priest (all believers) the Bereans received the Word of God (not of Paul) because the Spirit of Christ that lived in them moved them to search the scriptures to see if it whether those things were so.
Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Paul as Saul before his conversion sought to kill those who did not obey the "law of the fathers" which Christ called a brood of vipers, they were His nemesis, as the teaching of men .
Its not Paul's teaching as if it was private.
Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation, (coming from the will of men).
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the "Holy Ghost".
As a kingdom of priest (all believers) the Bereans received the Word of God (not of Paul) because the Spirit of Christ that lived in them moved them to search the scriptures to see if it whether those things were so.
Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Paul as Saul before his conversion sought to kill those who did not obey the "law of the fathers" which Christ called a brood of vipers, they were His nemesis, as the teaching of men .
Its not Paul's teaching as if it was private.
Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation, (coming from the will of men).
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the "Holy Ghost".
Jesus's words are eternal. Love and an open heart through the cross is the key. Paul expanded Jesus's teaching into church life so the two are the same.
Jesus expands His teaching.(not the sinner Paul. It would seem you are making the same mistake that the Catholics make. Having the faith of Christ in respect to the apostles in which they call apostolic succession. It makes the word of God without effect when you accredit Christ’s teaching the apostles. Glorying in the flesh of men puffing one up is not a biblical teaching. It is one of the "think not" doctrines of God
And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us “not to think of men above that which is written”, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it? 1Co 4:6
Jesus expands His teaching.(not the sinner Paul. It would seem you are making the same mistake that the Catholics make. Having the faith of Christ in respect to the apostles in which they call apostolic succession. It makes the word of God without effect when you accredit Christ’s teaching the apostles. Glorying in the flesh of men puffing one up is not a biblical teaching. It is one of the "think not" doctrines of God
And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us “not to think of men above that which is written”, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it? 1Co 4:6
I see the remark above pasted.
Why is Jesus Christ called the Teacher, that is Rabboni?
Why is there a gift of teaching?
All too many are adding all to much to the simplicity of theWord. The Gospel and teh Epistles are for teaching after we have come to believe. The Holy Spirit was promised to open the teachings to us, explaing all things, or rather, revealing all things.
All who will not accept being taught by Jesus Christ or His emissaries will remain untaught, that is, ignorant.
Why is Jesus Christ called the Teacher, that is Rabboni?
Why is there a gift of teaching?
All too many are adding all to much to the simplicity of theWord. The Gospel and teh Epistles are for teaching after we have come to believe. The Holy Spirit was promised to open the teachings to us, explaing all things, or rather, revealing all things.
All who will not accept being taught by Jesus Christ or His emissaries will remain untaught, that is, ignorant.
The purpose of the teachings is for us to renew our minds to the truth that we live from the life of Christ that is within us and not by rules or teachings. Christ Himself is not a set of rules or teachings. We are saved by His life.
Romans 5:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
Colossians 3:3-4 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] When Christ, who is our life, is revealed, then you also will be revealed with Him in glory.
There is a vast difference between trying to live by rules or teachings and living from the life of Christ in us. One is a religion and the other is Life Himself being expressed.
Romans 5:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
Colossians 3:3-4 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] When Christ, who is our life, is revealed, then you also will be revealed with Him in glory.
There is a vast difference between trying to live by rules or teachings and living from the life of Christ in us. One is a religion and the other is Life Himself being expressed.