Not By Works
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I hear ya.....and post 837....I guess he believes in reincarnation as well.......shakes head while pondering exactly how deceived he is.....NO WONDER he is blind to what we say and accuses us of something that we do not believe and or promote....
FOR ALL WORKERS FOR SALVATION...PAY ATTENTION.............
1. WE believe that salvation is based upon faith into the finished work of CHRIST
2. WE believe it is a once for all act that cannot be LOST
3. WE believe it is NOT BASED UPON WORKS, NOR do WORKS KEEP ONE SAVED
4. WE believe that ETERNAL LIFE means EXACTLY THAT....ETERNAL LIFE
5. WE believe OUR salvation, justification, SEALING by the HOLY SPIRIT and SANCTIFICATION (positionally) are the RESULT of FAITH into the FINISHED work of CHRIST
6. WE believe the JESUS will COMPLETE the work that HE BEGAN in US
7. WE believe the WORKS are the RESULT of JESUS in and through us based upon the SALVATION that ONE ALREADY POSSESSES BY FAITH
8. WE BELIEVE that ONE WHO IS SAVED BY FAITH WILL ALSO PRODUCE FRUIT or BIBLICAL WORKS but that the WORKS DO NOT SAVE, KEEP SAVED or FACILLITATE SALVATION
9. WE believe that WE are BORN OF INCORRUPTABLE SEED that CANNOT BE CORRUPTED and BY THE POWER OF GOD ARE KEPT in that POSITION
EVEN CREATION TEACHES THIS TRUTH
A APPLE TREE is BORN (sprouts) FROM A SEED, the APPLE TREE IS NOW ALIVE AND GROWING, AFTER NUMEROUS YEARS OF GROWTH (ALREADY ALIVE AND AN APPLE TREE) it PRODUCES FRUIT (from 1 to a hand full of apples)
SALVATION IS THE SAME...WE ARE BORN from and INCORRUPTABLE SEED (SAVED) and after a PERIOD OF GROWTH as a SAVED CHILD OF GOD we WILL produce FRUIT....
QUIT LYING, MISREPRESENTING the TRUTH and saying that WE DO NOT BELIEVE IN WORKS......WE RIGHTFULLY BEILEVE that the FRUIT IS A RESULT of SALVATION and GROWTH that ONE ALREADY POSSESSES BY FAITH
THIS IS BIBLICAL.......END OF STORY!
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I agree dcon -
And if we preach the gospel message of Christ Himself and what He has done in His finished work from the cross and resurrection - we will experience the fruit of His life being manifested as good works and how that works out is between the Lord and us as we participate with Him and grow in our walk with Him.
Trying to dictate to others the fruit of the Christian life is a religion that really disempowers the real life of Christ from being manifested in our lives and we nullify the very grace that is needed to effect true transformation in the believer.
Both sides of this argument believe in faith and works.
It appears both believe faith is our salvation and works are the fruit of it.
Some will say if there is no fruit, still faith is there and salvation.
Some will say if works are there, so will the faith and salvation also.
Both are wrong. And some from both camps say it of the other.
Now if you live in the world of labels, or words connected to people,
once you qualify for one label you are it. As with most things label claim
to help but sometimes lie.
I look for the fruit or intent of the sharer. Some words may be used that
in certain contexts I will disagree with, but if the intent and fruit if good,
then amen, and praise the Lord.
But some appear to say the style and emphasis decides their salvation.
I would rather say, if love is shown, and faith is in Christ, they are saved.
Where I do doubt peoples standing is when they speak from a closed heart,
and condemn that which God approves, and rebuke those whose intent is from
scripture, I have good reason to question their relationship with the Lord.
Righteousness and the law of Christ matter. Attack this and one is an enemy
of Christ.
We walk in purity, holiness and being blameless. Do we know this day after
day or is this just a religious set of ideas and language used in church?
It appears both believe faith is our salvation and works are the fruit of it.
Some will say if there is no fruit, still faith is there and salvation.
Some will say if works are there, so will the faith and salvation also.
Both are wrong. And some from both camps say it of the other.
Now if you live in the world of labels, or words connected to people,
once you qualify for one label you are it. As with most things label claim
to help but sometimes lie.
I look for the fruit or intent of the sharer. Some words may be used that
in certain contexts I will disagree with, but if the intent and fruit if good,
then amen, and praise the Lord.
But some appear to say the style and emphasis decides their salvation.
I would rather say, if love is shown, and faith is in Christ, they are saved.
Where I do doubt peoples standing is when they speak from a closed heart,
and condemn that which God approves, and rebuke those whose intent is from
scripture, I have good reason to question their relationship with the Lord.
Righteousness and the law of Christ matter. Attack this and one is an enemy
of Christ.
We walk in purity, holiness and being blameless. Do we know this day after
day or is this just a religious set of ideas and language used in church?
No actually...
One side believes salvation is based UPON FAITH void of works
The side in error believes in salvation based upon faith PLUS works.......
The ongoing saga still unfolding for oh...say...2000 years.......
OH FOOLISH GALATIANS WHO HATH BEWITCHED YOU....answer me this....HAVING begun in the SPIRIT are you now MADE COMPLETE BY the FLESH (WORKS)............!
One side believes salvation is based UPON FAITH void of works
The side in error believes in salvation based upon faith PLUS works.......
The ongoing saga still unfolding for oh...say...2000 years.......
OH FOOLISH GALATIANS WHO HATH BEWITCHED YOU....answer me this....HAVING begun in the SPIRIT are you now MADE COMPLETE BY the FLESH (WORKS)............!
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Bicuz win we mizspil wirds we luk lik fullls.........! hah 
The Tower of Babel
…6The LORD said, "Behold, they are one people, and they all have the same language. And this is what they began to do, and now nothing which they purpose to do will be impossible for them. 7"Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, so that they will not understand one another's speech." 8So the LORD scattered them abroad from there over the face of the whole earth; and they stopped building the city.…
The question is who really has the correct spelling you or me hmmm
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lol so how can you know the correct spelling of hola hoops is right hmmm and where we not all made to speak in a diffrent language so we would not understand each other
The Tower of Babel
…6The LORD said, "Behold, they are one people, and they all have the same language. And this is what they began to do, and now nothing which they purpose to do will be impossible for them. 7"Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, so that they will not understand one another's speech." 8So the LORD scattered them abroad from there over the face of the whole earth; and they stopped building the city.…
The question is who really has the correct spelling you or me hmmm
The Tower of Babel
…6The LORD said, "Behold, they are one people, and they all have the same language. And this is what they began to do, and now nothing which they purpose to do will be impossible for them. 7"Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, so that they will not understand one another's speech." 8So the LORD scattered them abroad from there over the face of the whole earth; and they stopped building the city.…
The question is who really has the correct spelling you or me hmmm
lol so how can you know the correct spelling of hola hoops is right hmmm and where we not all made to speak in a diffrent language so we would not understand each other
The Tower of Babel
…6The LORD said, "Behold, they are one people, and they all have the same language. And this is what they began to do, and now nothing which they purpose to do will be impossible for them. 7"Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, so that they will not understand one another's speech." 8So the LORD scattered them abroad from there over the face of the whole earth; and they stopped building the city.…
The question is who really has the correct spelling you or me hmmm
The Tower of Babel
…6The LORD said, "Behold, they are one people, and they all have the same language. And this is what they began to do, and now nothing which they purpose to do will be impossible for them. 7"Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, so that they will not understand one another's speech." 8So the LORD scattered them abroad from there over the face of the whole earth; and they stopped building the city.…
The question is who really has the correct spelling you or me hmmm
You come over to the U.S. and sit under me a few years and I will teach you pal......
HAH......and seeing how the HULA HOOP has been around since ancient EGYPT hahah.....British sailors/soldiers seen the Hawaiian women using it and the TERM HULA HOOP came from the British sailors.......
You come over to the U.S. and sit under me a few years and I will teach you pal...... HAH......and seeing how the HULA HOOP has been around since ancient EGYPT hahah.....British sailors/soldiers seen the Hawaiian women using it and the TERM HULA HOOP came from the British sailors.......
HAH......and seeing how the HULA HOOP has been around since ancient EGYPT hahah.....British sailors/soldiers seen the Hawaiian women using it and the TERM HULA HOOP came from the British sailors.......