Israel is NOT the Church and the Church is NOT Israel.

[LaurenTM]

MattTooFor;2952192]I had already provided the passage in 1John 5:19 - "the entire world lies within the control and the grasp of the evil one". The "world" is literally "the world system". The Devil is the designer, the architect, the builder, the owner and the operator...of the "world system".

I have not read every word you typed..I sure hope you can forgive me for that...LOL!..the world systems is actually an interesting study but the earth does not belong to him....thankfully..which it seems you technically agree with

Of course, God is still sovereign. But He has allowed the Devil to have his little playpen for a teensy-tiny few thousand years...and then God will come crashing in to interrupt the 'festivities' when He is ready to do so. And of course, God fully reserves the right to thwart the devil's activities wherever and whenever He sees fit. i don't deny that. But 1John 5:19 still sits there. As does the passage about Jesus' temptation...where the Devil acknowledged that ALL the "kingdoms" of this world are his to give. The devil raises up all the kingdoms of this world. GOD'S kingdom has not yet arrived to earth.

well take it easy on the 'of course' because you and I might know what you mean, but everyone does not...so...

well, receive the devil's gifts and be sure he owns you...however that particular gift involved the worship of the devil which it seems, one can participate in without personal awareness of doing so

I believe you may be referring to passages like Ps.75 where it says that God raises up and casts down individuals. And yes, I agree -- Planet Earth belongs to God, completely and totally. God is sovereign. No question.

well good then...but again, what is obvious to some is not to others...just to clarify which is why I questioned in the first place...with a nod to those who are not aware and may place more emphasis on the devil then scripture warrants...as the verses refer to kings, it follows so do the kingdoms or 'countries' of whatever name a leader may have today

If you want my take on occult symbols, you would need to look through a couple of short articles I've posted online. I don't really prefer to get into the obscenities and the evils of occult symbols in midst of a Bible discussion! Go here and then scroll down to where I am talking about Michael w. Smith briefly. Then scroll down to where I talk about Pat Robertson and a longer portion on all these occult symbols and signals.

well you know, when someone drops a bomb that at least to them, is all encompassing, it is preferable to offer proof of same IMO...being aware that there are all kinds of ideas and suggestions and contradictions floating around with regards to that symbol, to state 'obscene references' is your conclusion and not necessarily 'all the truth out there'

as the star is on the flag of Israel and you are anti-dispensationalist, you are creating a default opinion in your favor...for your beliefs....a strategy that many try to use and that I do not buy for any argument, being of sound and curious mind

anyway, without going into all the details presented in your blog, I didn't find any reference to 'obscene' but again I did not read every word ... I can accept concise information...so a condensed version would suffice

anyway, you seem to have a purpose coming here...wishing to discuss your previous observations as can be found on your blog...I'm not dismissing everything, but I disagree with anti-dispensationalism

above, a very brief synopsis of some of my own thoughts on what you present....the internet abounds...nay...overflows with conspiracy theories and and the supposed use of occult symbols by hollywood etc and to some extent Christians....I won't comment at the moment and maybe not all...I don't jump on the latest train out of any station...or even necessarily well constructed engines

guilt by association is not the gold standard of proof either...

 

[dcontroversal]

He has already been building it, and in the future he will continue to build it.

The church is his body, his people. Daniel, Abraham, Noah, Adam, and all OT believers will all be a prt of that family, and that family is his bride.

Israel was called the assembly of the first born in the wilderness....the word assembly is the same word translated church--->ekklesia .........Acts 7:38

 

[Bladerunner]

Dispensationalism was an invention of Cyrus Scofield. It is a main feature of his notes that he added to his own edited version of the KJV Bible. The US is the main area that the whole system took root. I know that some believe America is Gods own country but calling every none Dispensationalist a Heretic means that firstly you follow Schofield and secondly
if true The Kingdom of Heaven will be filled with Americans

Yes, it is said that 80-90% of America is in Apostasy. How about you??????????????Do you know and are you sure.?????????


p.s. Tanakh,,,the "you" in the above sentence is not intended nor directed at Yourself but rather everybody who reads this post.

 

[Bladerunner]

Jesus said there will be warms are rumors of wars. Nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom.

So why are you so surprised? Prophesy is coming true. God spoke, and it is happening.

I take you are against evangelicals???????????????/or at the very least blame them for all life's failings.

 

[Bladerunner]

In AD 70 God fulfilled his promise in lev 26 of what he would do if they disobeyed him,

NOoooooooo! 70AD was fulfilled because of the fact that the people did not know of his coming to Jerusalem. This spoken by Jesus himself.

 

[Bladerunner]

I was a dispensationalist to the age of 35. My Dad was a pastor and a dispensationalist to his dying day. I know dispensationalism inside and out.

Conspiracy theorist? I was simply stating a fact: Every top Evangelical supports every single war which the mil/ind complex trots out. Just a simple fact.

And by the way, the entire world is under the shadow of a satanic "conspiracy" to gain global dominance. It's right there in the Bible! The Devil's "scheme" (i.e. conspiracy) to take over the world, and place his "Antichrist" at the pinnacle of human governments.

Yes, a lot of us believe in Israel and would fight for her even though we are not Jewish. As you well know at some point in time and that time is near, God will show the world that all those attacking his chosen people is over. At that time, they will no longer need our help.

As far as a conspiracy theory goes,,, someone has to been conceiving a plan that will benefit themselves.

Here are some information that goes against the conspiracy theory.

And where is it all taking place.......Assyria, Babylonian empire, Greek empire, Roman empire, Ottaman empire. You choose. they are all in the same place.

Now, figure out what are they fighting over......The Garden of Eden., Israel, Jerusalem... You Choose.

Now tell us just who is responsible for kicking the next door neighbor's dog?[/U], Iran, Iraq, Eygpt, SA, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, European Union, USA you pick em.....

What groups are responsible for kicking the next door neighbor's dog? ........Hamas,Isis, Abu Nidal Organization, Gama’a al-Islamiyya, Hezbollah (Party of God), Kahane Chai, Kongra-Gel (formerly Kurdistan Workers' Party), Palestine Liberation Front, Islamic Jihad Group, Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, PFLP-General Command, Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, Asbat an-Ansar, al-Qa’ida in the Islamic Maghreb, Al-Qaeda Kurdish Battalions, Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, Kata'ib Hezbollah, al-Qa'ida in the Arabian Peninsula, Army of Islam (Palestinian), Abdullah Azzam Brigades, Ansar Bayt al-Maqdis, Al-Nusra Front, Mujahideen Shura Council in the Environs of Jerusalem, Jaysh Rijal al-Tariq al Naqshabandi (JRTN)

and these are only the terrorist groups in the Middle East. There is more for the rest of the world!!!!

What Religions do the terrorist practice.......ISALM

What other religions are in the area....>Christianity, Judaism and a few other minor religions;Bahá'í Faith, Druze, Yazidism, Mandaeism, Gnosticism, Yarsanism, Samaritanism, Shabakism, Ishikism, Ali-Illahism, and Zoroastrianism

Most of the Christians (innocent ones) are getting persecuted and killed by WHO,WHOOOOOO? WHO is STARTING all these WARS???????????????????????My Guess the ISLAMIC RADICAL TERRORIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ask yourself this IF::::::the Arabs (muslim/Islamic) people stopped all attacks against Israel,,,would there be any wars in the Area????????? NO, there would be no wars.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ (1 cor 15:1-4),,,, Our Lord's Church (you and I NOT a denomination) was started probably on the day of Pentecost. , the Rapture is real and will happen as the Bible tells it will, The 7 years of tribulations will also happen the exact way God tells us it will.

Israel is God's timepiece and Chosen people.

I have a grandfather that was a Baptist Preacher and no doubt, he believed in dispensationalism and I never heard a word from him that Israel was the cause of all the world's problems. He was one of those that believed in the original version. The version I spoke of in another post. Since then it has been hijacked, changed and ruined.


Good luck!

 

[Bladerunner]

It's an age-old occult symbol going back centuries. And with obscene significance.

The Devil has raised up the kingdoms of the world and thus the Devil has arranged for the modern, secular (and actually occult) state of Israel. Plain biblical fact. Just because the Bible acknowledges a re-emergence, a resurrection (if you will), a "regathering" of Jewish people to the Middle East...doesn't mean Christians in America now had a moral authorization...nor does anyone have a moral authorization...to steamroll the lives of multitudes of innocent people who happened to be living and minding their own business back in 1948.

now we see where the problem is...you are for the tents of Edom. Palestinians.....what if we help them....is that moral.......We are Israel's real friend yet in the endtimes, we will not be there. God will...... WHere does he have the Moral Authority to displace the palestinians.

 

[Rondonmon]

The Church is not Israel. Neither is Israel the Church.

There is a fine line division between the two. It is important to be dispensational when your reading and studying the infallible word of the living God. Being dispensational will help to keep you from falling into heresy. And also will keep you from being deceived by hereticks such as Steven Anderson and others like him.

We who are Christians are not the house of Israel. Neither are we Jews. Do not be deceived the Hebrew Roots Movement.

Today in this dispensation of Grace, both Saved Jews and Saved Gentiles make up and form the Body of Christ. There is no longer a middle wall of partition that divides us. Consider the goodness and longsuffering of God.

If you have been saved and born again, then rejoice in your salvation. But do not start to say that you are now Israel or that you are a Jew because you are not. God is not done with His people Israel, He still has a future plan for them and it will be accomplished no matter what Anderson or other antisemites claim.

Sadly,they will never get this. They confuse the path/journey to Christ/God (Faith alone) as meaning Israel is not Israel. Paul was saying they are not as Abraham, because of their UNBELIEF. He was not saying they are not Israel. They take a "TALKING POINT" and twist it to the inth degree.

So I could take a man named Bill Smith and lets say he created a cult, lets call it the "Alien Cult" and lets say he has 15 kids, and they all are supposed to believe as he does, but 2 go off the tracks and refuse to believe the same. WE CAN SAY, two are not of Bill Smith, but they ARE OF BILL SMITH.........They just do not believe like Bill Smith.

So we have two that are not partakers in his beliefs, but they are still Mr Smiths offspring. Paul was pointing to THEIR BELIEF SYSTEM, that Abraham was the Father of Faith. It has nothing to do with Israel and the Church being the same. They are different. The Church is a body of believers in Christ Jesus. Israel are Abraham's off-spring, some are believers like Abraham, and some/most have been blinded by God until the time of the Gentiles have been fulfilled. Israel will then SEE AGAIN, in Gods due time.

PAUL IS ONLY POINTING OUT THAT ALL WHO COME TO GOD MUST COME BY FAITH, LIKE FAITHFUL ABRAHAM. Paul's words went right over a lot of peoples heads

 

[ChosenbyHim]

There is neither Jew nor Gentile, for we are all one in Christ Jesus

Absolutely Magenta, the Body of Christ is made up and consists of both saved Jews and saved Gentile believers.

But still though, there is a Distinction between the Body of Christ (the Church of the living God) and the Jews, God's Covenant People.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

When did the Church start?

Most likely around the time of Pentecost back in Acts 2.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

this proposition is a huge pile of rubbish.
all false doctrine.
how dare you people

No Zone, what I presented in the Original Post in this Thread is Sound, Biblical Doctrine. At the Pre Time of Jacob's trouble catching away of the Body of Christ (More commonly known as the Pre-Trib. Rapture of the Church), the Body of Christ will be Complete. And it will no longer have any new members added unto it.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

dispensational garbage.
all of it.

No Zone, it is Dispensational Sound Doctrine.

So get over yourself and repent of your wicked pride, so that way you can be saved from your wicked heresy and actually begin to learn Sound Doctrine from the infallible word of the living God, the Blessed King James Holy Bible.

 

[prove-all]

When did the Church start?

which one?

the one in the wilderness in O.T.,
then one Christ started on pentacost,
or the great false mother of harlets church ?

 

[samuel23]

The bible tells us that Israel is the tree and the branches of that tree are the church. So, you cannot really separate Israel from the church as some would like.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

NOoooooooo! 70AD was fulfilled because of the fact that the people did not know of his coming to Jerusalem. This spoken by Jesus himself.

And also because of lev 26.

Read it, it is all there written for all to see..

It was also prophesied by Daniel the prophet in chapter 9. just like Babylon was prophesied by Jeremiah..

 

[Bladerunner]

And also because of lev 26.

Read it, it is all there written for all to see..

It was also prophesied by Daniel the prophet in chapter 9. just like Babylon was prophesied by Jeremiah..

I am not sure where you see it at in Lev 26.....and Daniel 9: 24-27 speaks of the future.

 

[zone]

No Zone, it is Dispensational Sound Doctrine.

So get over yourself and repent of your wicked pride, so that way you can be saved from your wicked heresy and actually begin to learn Sound Doctrine from the infallible word of the living God, the Blessed King James Holy Bible.

you mean the CURSED SCOFIELD KJV BIBLE

 

[zone]

No Zone, what I presented in the Original Post in this Thread is Sound, Biblical Doctrine. At the Pre Time of Jacob's trouble catching away of the Body of Christ (More commonly known as the Pre-Trib. Rapture of the Church), the Body of Christ will be Complete. And it will no longer have any new members added unto it.

blah blah blah

 

[JesusRules1]

The bible tells us that Israel is the tree and the branches of that tree are the church. So, you cannot really separate Israel from the church as some would like.

True,for the Bible says that the Gentiles were graffed in to Israel,the natural olive tree,and when a Gentile becomes a saint they become part of the commonwealth of Israel.

The Old and New Testament was given to Israel,and the New Jerusalem is patterned after Israel,and the Jews.

 

[Bladerunner]

which one?

the one in the wilderness in O.T.,
then one Christ started on pentacost,
or the great false mother of harlets church ?

what a....re you smoking there......I need to get some of that> haha

There was no church in the Wilderness.

The church Jesus speaks of is those who believe in his gospel, have accepted him as their savior repented and askforgiveness of their sins.

You are talking about the Harlot (whore) who rides the beast.... The Roman Catholic Church.