Stop beating the kids! Spiritual abuse of Christians

[LaurenTM]

Yeah..... we wouldn't want to talk about a problem & allow anyone to post scripture toward it..... somebody might learn from it.

I have learned incredibly alot from scripture and because the word of God is alive and sharper than any two edged sword, I continue to learn and have my eyes opened

honestly Stephen...for a supposedly mature adult male, a long time Christian...you know...if you are not part of the answer, then you are part of the problem

 

[LaurenTM]

Once again, you're all about YOU! How do you know what Blue "feels" about any of this? She hasn't even been on this thread.

And yet, you have a response all about you again.

I actually know what happened there. You think anyone blunt also means they are two other things:
1. Wrong.
2. Blue.

So off you go back to me-mode without even taking a listen to what someone who-is-not-you actually says, because, again... always about you.

you have the loudest horn in this place and you tout it as often as you can

you don't have a clue but the more you spout off, the more clues you are actually dropping

you are obviously in great pain while pretending you are not

there is a time for silence and in your case? this may be it

as much as I may dislike quite a bit of what Peter posts, he is collecting water in his little boat with a can with a hole in the bottom and throwing it back as best he can

quit trying to insult everyone...most of us see pain and not the big bad adult in the room you seem to want to try to be

yeah I know you love me

 

[HEIsRiSen]

It appears to me that this thread belongs more so in the Family forum as I am not seeing a lot of scripture being posted in this thread relating to what the bible says about parenting physically or spiritually.

 

[Ariel82]

It appears to me that this thread belongs more so in the Family forum as I am not seeing a lot of scripture being posted in this thread relating to what the bible says about parenting physically or spiritually.

Because this thread isn't about parenting kids.

Only parent would be Our Father in Heaven and how He raises us.

 

[HEIsRiSen]

All we can do is stand up for what we believe in. I believe child abuse is wrong, and there is a fine line that too many people walk out there while raising children or being around children. I have found that children are much more receptive to talking to them that what I had originally thought when I started helping to raise my girlfriend at that time's daughter. Spankings have their place in getting a child's attention, but we aren't to beat kids into submission physically we are to be tender toward them. Hope this makes sense and is actually contributing contrary to my previous statement.

 

[PeterJens]

Someone mentioned when we see ourselves as God does or that we will be in the New Jerusalem, when God wipes away our every tears...then we can begin to heal and put to death the old broken us and be born again into the people God intends for us to be.

This reminds me of two concepts.
"Its not your fault"
"I accept you as you are"

So much of life is due to circumstance and what our family and society we are born
into. So much of what we become is down to things of chance, bad situations, troubled
people, bad teachers etc. We blame ourselves we could have handled it better or not
done this so it is our fault. A strong part of healing is realising it is not our fault, it just
happened. It is what it is and it hurts and is difficult.

Jesus has zero expectations of us, just wants us to understand He loves us. We cannot
become anything by ourselves, it will always be His work in our lives and us following.
He knows everything about us, the rubbish and the good and still He says you are my
beloved. This is the cross, this is God becoming a man and dying for me. Who knows
nothing, who is confused, and lost, and in a world of lost empty people. And yet he
knocks and asks, "Will you invite me in?"

These two things changed me and still changes me. But it seems few see what is
before their eyes, how deep is the love He has for us.

My family an emotional wreck, in a society of fake everything without any real
knowledge of life and love, chasing after dreams and show, as the kids slowly die
before their parents eyes. But in there Jesus plants a seed. Love matters, love
is the Key, love overcomes and changes all before it in Christ. But it takes years
to build and put in place where a desert blows and fear of betrayal locks hearts
away.

 

[HEIsRiSen]

Every adult is and can be a parent to any child and I don't care what anybody says.. speaking metaphorically True religion is visiting the widows and orphans in their afflictions.

 

[Demi777]

everyone can be a parent but not everyone is a mom or a dad

 

[LaurenTM]

All we can do is stand up for what we believe in. I believe child abuse is wrong, and there is a fine line that too many people walk out there while raising children or being around children. I have found that children are much more receptive to talking to them that what I had originally thought when I started helping to raise my girlfriend at that time's daughter. Spankings have their place in getting a child's attention, but we aren't to beat kids into submission physically we are to be tender toward them. Hope this makes sense and is actually contributing contrary to my previous statement.

oh man

oh come on...this thread is not about child abuse!!! it's not about raising children

do you know what spiritual abuse is? you can be 80 years old and spiritually abused

Every adult is and can be a parent to any child and I don't care what anybody says.. speaking metaphorically True religion is visiting the widows and orphans in their afflictions.

every adult can be a parent to any child?

I don't know how many different kinds of wrong are represented in that sentence

it' s really not a good thing to not care what anyone says...I would think that through

 

[HEIsRiSen]

Not everybody should be a parent either lol. We just need to give children the motivation and encouragement that they need to develop into a mature adult. Feed their creativity and watch how they grow, kids truly are a blessing and especially in the right hands. Again I say these kids need more Godly guidance in their lives.

 

[HEIsRiSen]

So why title the thread title in the form of a parable? Does the thread creator want to draw in confusion? Don't get on me about what this thread means when it's clearly unclearly titled.

 

[HEIsRiSen]

Everything I said can be contributed to adults, children, anybody!

 

[LaurenTM]

Not everybody should be a parent either lol. We just need to give children the motivation and encouragement that they need to develop into a mature adult. Feed their creativity and watch how they grow, kids truly are a blessing and especially in the right hands. Again I say these kids need more Godly guidance in their lives.

THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT RAISING CHILDREN

PLEASE SEE YOUR EYE DOCTOR

 

[PeterJens]

everyone can be a parent but not everyone is a mom or a dad

I want to share a funny side of child abuse of a parent by a child.
My youngest daughter was very possessive.
When she used to sleep between us in bed as a baby, I was not allowed to cuddle mum.
As she grew older, I was less than second best, I was nothing, mum was everything.

Over the years it was always I was rubbish, and terrible and anything I said
in a discussion between mum and me was wrong.

We talked about this properly for the first time recently, she is 17.
And she still remembers pushing me away and wanting "my mummy"

Now this is not intended, it is literally part of how she was built.
It has taken great patience to not over-react, and to slowly build things.

So some things in relationships are these deep emotional reactions which
are not chosen, but happen and need to be worked with. And you can definately
laugh about them, because when we understand who we are, we can start to chose
who we want to become. It makes things very hard when we never get to first
base and find out who we actually are and how we react deep down.

 

[HEIsRiSen]

No, I see what this thread is about now. I refuse to be insulted and have somebody try to beat me. I'm not your child! Or your friend. I am a brother and will not be talked down to like I am any less.

 

[HEIsRiSen]

THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT RAISING CHILDREN

PLEASE SEE YOUR EYE DOCTOR

My eyes see a lot more than they'd like to see right now.

 

[Depleted]

Don't forget Lynn thinking she has everyone figured out and is entitled to rail at people less qualified than herself for daring to talk about such topics as abuse. Fyi, my posts were meant to start discussion, no claims to,be an answer to all life's problems. If you weren't blinded by your anger and your own agenda, you would have noticed that I always pointed to GOD as the answer and recommended that we pray and listen to hurting people. If we find out they have been abused, we can recommend them to counselors or people who can get them in touch with people who can help.

However, why would anyone share or want to discuss anything in such a hostile environment?

I started the thread because I saw posts of people undergoing abuse or having undergone it. Its not to help those people, but to encourage people who encounter someone in pain and lashing out to listen instead of get angry, to pray instead of automatically tell them they are wrong and need correction. To refer them to professional help, if they will seek it.

No none of the abused people have posted on this thread. Not that I would blame them, I wouldn't have either.

Ask at least half the people here why dont they attend church?

Some will say it's because of medical problems and they would like to but can't.

However many will say it's because of something that happened in the church in their past, or they don't get much out of church or the church is filled with hypocrites, etc.

The list can go on. I have used many of the reasons myself for not staying at certain churches.

However I believe to mature into the person God intends us to be, we have to let go of past hurts. God didn't make us to be isolated people with no social interactions. We need to learn to be a function part of the Body of Christ.

You can continue to rail at me for posting this thread, because for some reason you find it an offensive topic.
As i said before no one is forcing you to post here. No one is forced to read any of the posts.

Or you could take your own advice and be quiet. Stop making a hostile environment, where anyone talking about anything you are uncomfortable with makes you want to shut them down with nasty words and an attitude that basically says "your problems are petty, your discussion trivial, why don't you do something more important." perhaps this type of manipulation and bullying works on most people you encounter, but I find it juvenile.

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Oy vey!

You know why I listened to you so much in the past year? Because I thought you had a kinder, gentler way. Because I thought you had a kinder, gentler message. Because I thought you had the strength to keep to that message.

You know what I'm finding instead? It's really not. What your gift is is the ability to respond to everyone about everything, which also works great when person after person goes off on their usual tear about the same ole same ole.

I had a classroom once that I got for a grand total of 1 hour every two weeks. The "teacher" was unable to control the kids at all, so taught absolutely nothing. There is something to teach here. And again, it's at least two lesson plans. I've been saying the students have taken over the room all along. No one is learning because each student has their very-own special lesson plan. I thought you were the one to control the lesson.

I was wrong. You are the one who thinks teaching is listen to each student's lesson (which was never planned), because nothing was developed as a lesson anyway.

Three things I ask of a teacher:
1. Be prepared.
2. Know the subject and stick to the subject.
3. Stay in control.

There will always be students who don't listen. No one listens if that is all there is to the lesson plan.

You have become exactly what you blame others for already being.

What I asked of you? Make the topic be the topic, but PICK the topic! (And don't name it something it isn't.)

I was hoping you'd take off where Old Hermit and Marc left off. Actually teaching something on BDF. I was wrong. They knew their subject material. And, they knew how to teach.

I know this post will take many pages now, because each person brought their own topic to it, since it wasn't a specific topic in the first place. Is this why you keep starting new posts? Because you tell everyone to leave when they don't get what you're even trying to teach? (That's why I listed people and what they think this is all about. Not one was on the same page with a topic.) Do you yet get what you're trying to teach? Because law firms and CBN aren't viable resources to use. (Really? Spiritual abusers are often cult leaders? Something CBN taught you?)

It doesn't matter. I just found out you bring in your own brand of same ole same ole onto this forum. (I have not once said I was an authority on this. Matter of fact, I quit long ago when I found out I wasn't. Hope you get to that point soon, because you're still doing more damage.)

I'm out of here.

 

[HEIsRiSen]

If people want the thread on topic than name the thread "spiritual abuse" and don't have some misleading header that creates confusion, just saying... people ask for this and they don't even realize it.

 

[LaurenTM]

Oy vey!

You know why I listened to you so much in the past year? Because I thought you had a kinder, gentler way. Because I thought you had a kinder, gentler message. Because I thought you had the strength to keep to that message.

You know what I'm finding instead? It's really not. What your gift is is the ability to respond to everyone about everything, which also works great when person after person goes off on their usual tear about the same ole same ole.

I had a classroom once that I got for a grand total of 1 hour every two weeks. The "teacher" was unable to control the kids at all, so taught absolutely nothing. There is something to teach here. And again, it's at least two lesson plans. I've been saying the students have taken over the room all along. No one is learning because each student has their very-own special lesson plan. I thought you were the one to control the lesson.

I was wrong. You are the one who thinks teaching is listen to each student's lesson (which was never planned), because nothing was developed as a lesson anyway.

Three things I ask of a teacher:
1. Be prepared.
2. Know the subject and stick to the subject.
3. Stay in control.

There will always be students who don't listen. No one listens if that is all there is to the lesson plan.

You have become exactly what you blame others for already being.

What I asked of you? Make the topic be the topic, but PICK the topic! (And don't name it something it isn't.)

I was hoping you'd take off where Old Hermit and Marc left off. Actually teaching something on BDF. I was wrong. They knew their subject material. And, they knew how to teach.

I know this post will take many pages now, because each person brought their own topic to it, since it wasn't a specific topic in the first place. Is this why you keep starting new posts? Because you tell everyone to leave when they don't get what you're even trying to teach? (That's why I listed people and what they think this is all about. Not one was on the same page with a topic.) Do you yet get what you're trying to teach? Because law firms and CBN aren't viable resources to use. (Really? Spiritual abusers are often cult leaders? Something CBN taught you?)

It doesn't matter. I just found out you bring in your own brand of same ole same ole onto this forum. (I have not once said I was an authority on this. Matter of fact, I quit long ago when I found out I wasn't. Hope you get to that point soon, because you're still doing more damage.)

I'm out of here.

Lynn.....

you are acting out

nothing has changed with Ariel

it's you

sorry

 

[HEIsRiSen]

To post a thread about abuse and have the second response be a list of hotlines for such and then say it's a thread that is not about what it's about is pretty condescending if you ask me and I am pretty sure God doesn't approve of that behavior.

I don't know exactly what is going on here but I sure hope God puts a stop to it because it doesn't sit well with a lot of people.